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widger 09-01-2014 10:47

Out of Tune Singers
 
I was just listening to "Zoom" by Fat Larry's Band and became aware that the singer is a bit wayward with his pitch when singing this song, yet it still reached number 1.

Another song where pitching is a slightly off is "The Only Way is Up" by Yazz and this also went to number 1.

Do you have any other favourite songs where the singer is not quite in tune and do you prefer this to the auto-tuned, over produced vocals on tracks today?

Arcana 09-01-2014 13:41

Say Hello, Wave Goodbye by Soft Cell springs immediately to mind...particularly the last section. #painful

dodrade 09-01-2014 13:48

The Stone Roses did remarkably well considering how infamously dodgy Ian Brown's vocals are.

LifeisGood 09-01-2014 13:53

James - Born of Frustration, particularly in the verses.

Brummy Girl 09-01-2014 13:59

Don't You Want Me? by The Human League.

The female verse is out of tune. I remember seeing them interviewed probably about 10 years ago or more or the female who sings that part did admit herself it was out of tune and she wishes she had sung it differently

Inkblot 09-01-2014 14:43

I confess I found this opinion on another site but the vocals on Red Hot Chili Peppers songs are often a little wayward, pitch-wise...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV8IAOojoAA

Ollie_h19 09-01-2014 17:43

Two words: Nick Cave.

Im not a massive fan so im basing this opinion mainly on the duet with Kylie. Its a great song, but good Lord...

little-monster 09-01-2014 17:48

I have always found Estelle to be out of tune, especially on American Boy

She's a great rapper but a poor vocalist, but has abandoned rapping now.

mrkite77 09-01-2014 18:34

I can't imagine autotuning Biz Markie.. :)

d'@ve 09-01-2014 18:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by widger (Post 70716966)
I was just listening to "Zoom" by Fat Larry's Band and became aware that the singer is a bit wayward with his pitch when singing this song, yet it still reached number 1.

Another song where pitching is a slightly off is "The Only Way is Up" by Yazz and this also went to number 1.

Do you have any other favourite songs where the singer is not quite in tune and do you prefer this to the auto-tuned, over produced vocals on tracks today?

Call me old school but I prefer songs sung in tune in the first place and NO autotuning, melodyning or anything else other than reverb and perhaps an occasional touch of double-tracking, though making it a duet with a suitably harmonious partner would be better IMO. Real instruments too (if only!) and no singing to prerecorded backing tracks!

Then, we'd know who can actually sing properly and who's there (and on recordings) just because they look good on TV. Rarely though, a slightly off-pitch song or part of it can sound quirkily interesting - usually by accident not design though!

ashtray88 09-01-2014 22:20

Neutral Milk Hotel-Two Headed Boy I don't think this went no.1 but...well it should have!

Zeb Atlas 09-01-2014 22:38

Great group but I remember Sarah Cracknell from St Etienne being hopelessly out of tune many a time on their records

CLL Dodge 09-01-2014 23:50

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Originally Posted by Arcana (Post 70718961)
Say Hello, Wave Goodbye by Soft Cell springs immediately to mind...particularly the last section. #painful

Great single, whatever.

thewaywardbus 10-01-2014 07:54

Certs Matthews from Catatonia had an interesting voice....

mgvsmith 10-01-2014 07:57

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Originally Posted by Arcana (Post 70718961)
Say Hello, Wave Goodbye by Soft Cell springs immediately to mind...particularly the last section. #painful

I think it's actually a great emotional 'performance' in keeping with the sentiments of the song. The synth sound has a slightly off tone sound about it as well.

mgvsmith 10-01-2014 08:05

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Originally Posted by d'@ve (Post 70723000)
Call me old school but I prefer songs sung in tune in the first place and NO autotuning, melodyning or anything else other than reverb and perhaps an occasional touch of double-tracking, though making it a duet with a suitably harmonious partner would be better IMO. Real instruments too (if only!) and no singing to prerecorded backing tracks!

Then, we'd know who can actually sing properly and who's there (and on recordings) just because they look good on TV. Rarely though, a slightly off-pitch song or part of it can sound quirkily interesting - usually by accident not design though!

You may want to listen to PiL's 'Metal Box' and see wnat's possible.
It's not how you sing, it's what you express.

thewaywardbus 10-01-2014 09:00

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Originally Posted by mgvsmith (Post 70733111)
You may want to listen to PiL's 'Metal Box' and see wnat's possible.
It's not how you sing, it's what you express.

It's also not just about the voice but the music that is being played as well.

Some people seem to think that a decent voice automatically makes a song good!

mgvsmith 10-01-2014 09:51

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Originally Posted by thewaywardbus (Post 70733403)
It's also not just about the voice but the music that is being played as well.

Some people seem to think that a decent voice automatically makes a song good!

It's also about what is being expressed and how it is being expressed. What the words are about, what story, what poetic images do they create. You don't have to be a great singer to do that.

I'm quite disappointed at what is often called 'alternative' music because content wise (and even form wise) it isn't very alternative.

PiL were commenting on how music is constructed, Lydon was taking a swipe at writers, at the politics of the industry and the hypocrisy of some pop stars. It isn't a comfortable listen and it wasn't meant to be. 'Metal Box' is a complete artistic statement which has not been emulated often since.

boysforpele 10-01-2014 18:08

out of tune ? in what context?

on record or live?
if on record is this deliberate - as sometime experimentation with tone, pitch and timing can be wonderfully artistic and creative, surely?

barbeler 10-01-2014 18:48

Siouxsie Sioux was notorious for singing flat, but the trick was to do it consistently :D

I have like to have seen anybody dare to tell her she needed auto-tuning :D

CLL Dodge 10-01-2014 20:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgvsmith (Post 70733077)
I think it's actually a great emotional 'performance' in keeping with the sentiments of the song. The synth sound has a slightly off tone sound about it as well.

He's all over the place here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbEOgfq3CNc

...but it's still absolutely fabulous.

thesegueman 10-01-2014 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by widger (Post 70716966)
I was just listening to "Zoom" by Fat Larry's Band and became aware that the singer is a bit wayward with his pitch when singing this song, yet it still reached number 1.

Another song where pitching is a slightly off is "The Only Way is Up" by Yazz and this also went to number 1.

Do you have any other favourite songs where the singer is not quite in tune and do you prefer this to the auto-tuned, over produced vocals on tracks today?

I don't really like it if a singer, or a song part - is out of tune. It would be better to use a bit of autotune (or re-release it in tune), but don't use a lot of autotune. Too much can also be bad.

I do know about the Yazz song, as well as Human League (Dont You Want Me). In fact I was listening to the latter song a few days ago and the 2nd verse is in a much different pitch to the rest of the song.

mgvsmith 10-01-2014 21:55

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Originally Posted by CLL Dodge (Post 70743436)
He's all over the place here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbEOgfq3CNc

...but it's still absolutely fabulous.

Absolutely, maybe it's just an X Factor generation thing?

metal box 11-01-2014 02:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgvsmith (Post 70733111)
You may want to listen to PiL's 'Metal Box' and see wnat's possible.
It's not how you sing, it's what you express.

Amazing album! (hence my name) Not the 'easiest' to listen to at times, but still amazing none the less.

Also a huge fan of 'say hello wave goodbye' - especially the TOTP performance. His voice completely makes it for me.

mgvsmith 11-01-2014 10:56

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Originally Posted by metal box (Post 70752330)
Amazing album! (hence my name) Not the 'easiest' to listen to at times, but still amazing none the less.

Also a huge fan of 'say hello wave goodbye' - especially the TOTP performance. His voice completely makes it for me.

There's real emotion in those records.

I see the name. :) I'm not sure the conditions exist any longer in which such an inventive work as 'Metal Box' could reach the audience it did in the 80s?


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