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Forum: General Discussion 30-03-2015, 17:57
Replies: 608
Views: 12,891
Posted By marjangles
It's not the identity of the customer that is key...

It's not the identity of the customer that is key but the reason given for not providing the goods or the service in question. If the reason for refusing is down to sexuality then it doesn't matter...
Forum: TV Shows: UK 30-03-2015, 14:55
Replies: 56
Views: 3,351
Posted By marjangles
Loved the series, have them on DVD somewhere. My...

Loved the series, have them on DVD somewhere.

My favourite line came in last week's episode about the bomber. Drebin enters the dressing room of the Club Flamingo and announces his presence as an...
Forum: General Discussion 30-03-2015, 14:36
Replies: 608
Views: 12,891
Posted By marjangles
Well as I said in my previous post this guy...

Well as I said in my previous post this guy deliberately targeted gay owned businesses to further his own agenda. However, there's nothing to suggest the guy in the Ashers case suspected he would be...
Forum: General Discussion 30-03-2015, 14:30
Replies: 608
Views: 12,891
Posted By marjangles
But how would they know they might be met with...

But how would they know they might be met with disapproval until they ask?
Forum: General Discussion 30-03-2015, 14:08
Replies: 608
Views: 12,891
Posted By marjangles
Well first of all there's no evidence that the...

Well first of all there's no evidence that the guy in Northern Ireland knew Ashers would have a problem with the pro-gay marriage message on his cake. Ashers don't advertise as a Christian bakery and...
Forum: General Discussion 30-03-2015, 12:48
Replies: 43
Views: 1,415
Posted By marjangles
The volleyball scene could have been lifted...

The volleyball scene could have been lifted directly out of gay porn and there's far too much hanging around naked in changing rooms. I also think the tension between Maverick and Iceman is hugely...
Forum: General Discussion 30-03-2015, 08:30
Replies: 43
Views: 1,415
Posted By marjangles
My personal view is that the homoeroticism is a...

My personal view is that the homoeroticism is a deliberate subtext, it's written in by the writers and you can interpret it that way if you want to but because it's not directly addressed then you...
Forum: General Discussion 29-03-2015, 00:35
Replies: 347
Views: 7,955
Posted By marjangles
So it's not freedom of conscience, he has an...

So it's not freedom of conscience, he has an image he wants to uphold, I don't think that's any more convincing a reason than slight embarrassment. And again he didn't have any problem with producing...
Forum: General Discussion 29-03-2015, 00:33
Replies: 347
Views: 7,955
Posted By marjangles
But the content of the slogan being positive...

But the content of the slogan being positive about gay rights is what they're objecting to. It's absolutely clear that they are refusing to provide the service on the grounds of sexuality.
Forum: General Discussion 29-03-2015, 00:29
Replies: 347
Views: 7,955
Posted By marjangles
My point was a general one but I think of all the...

My point was a general one but I think of all the possible reasons that he could get away with his behaviour, slight embarrassment is the worst I've seen suggested by anyone.
Forum: General Discussion 29-03-2015, 00:25
Replies: 347
Views: 7,955
Posted By marjangles
As I said earlier it doesn't matter whether they...

As I said earlier it doesn't matter whether they were acting on the customer's sexual orientation or not, it's the reason they gave for not fulfilling the order which in this case was wholly based...
Forum: General Discussion 29-03-2015, 00:12
Replies: 347
Views: 7,955
Posted By marjangles
Saving face is not a good enough reason for being...

Saving face is not a good enough reason for being allowed to circumvent discrimination laws. And as I said earlier, anyone with more than two brain cells can work out that he isn't endorsing same sex...
Forum: General Discussion 29-03-2015, 00:07
Replies: 347
Views: 7,955
Posted By marjangles
Nonsense. These bakers aren't asking for a...

Nonsense. These bakers aren't asking for a general right of conscience, they're saying that because they are Christians that should exempt them from the normal rules that everyone else has to follow,...
Forum: General Discussion 28-03-2015, 23:43
Replies: 347
Views: 7,955
Posted By marjangles
It is if that withdrawal of labour is done...

It is if that withdrawal of labour is done because they don't want to provide goods or services to someone who is a member of a protected characteristic.
Forum: General Discussion 28-03-2015, 23:39
Replies: 347
Views: 7,955
Posted By marjangles
The identity of the customer is not the key...

The identity of the customer is not the key element to deciding whether discrimination has taken place, the reason for not providing goods or services is. That might have to do with the identity of...
Forum: General Discussion 28-03-2015, 10:58
Replies: 347
Views: 7,955
Posted By marjangles
Fair enough but the point I'm making is that the...

Fair enough but the point I'm making is that the endorsement idea is a red herring since carrying out your normal business activities can in no way be taken as an endorsement of anything. Asher's are...
Forum: General Discussion 28-03-2015, 10:53
Replies: 20
Views: 737
Posted By marjangles
This is the latest attempt by the right in the...

This is the latest attempt by the right in the USA to make hay out of what remains of anti-gay sentiment there. They know they've pretty much lost the argument in relation to same-sex marriage so...
Forum: General Discussion 28-03-2015, 10:44
Replies: 347
Views: 7,955
Posted By marjangles
But he isn't endorsing anything by the simple act...

But he isn't endorsing anything by the simple act of baking a cake anymore than my friend's father is endorsing a political candidate by printing his leaflets or that they endorse witchcraft by...
Forum: General Discussion 28-03-2015, 10:20
Replies: 347
Views: 7,955
Posted By marjangles
The baker isn't being asked to endorse anything,...

The baker isn't being asked to endorse anything, the slogan comes from the customer and it is clear to anyone with half a brain that is the case. My friend's father runs a print shop and recently was...
Forum: General Discussion 23-03-2015, 19:32
Replies: 54
Views: 2,680
Posted By marjangles
Actually what the citizens of California keep...

Actually what the citizens of California keep doing is voting for lower taxes and higher spending which is part of the reason why California is so much trouble. The ease with which you can put...
Forum: General Discussion 22-03-2015, 17:25
Replies: 52
Views: 1,416
Posted By marjangles
It's happened a few times, most recently the...

It's happened a few times, most recently the Lib-Lab pact of 1978-79. They're called confidence and supply pacts whereby minor parties agree to shore up a government by voting for them when there are...
Forum: Movies 21-03-2015, 21:14
Replies: 96
Views: 6,138
Posted By marjangles
I thought Seyfried was ok, Cosette is such a...

I thought Seyfried was ok, Cosette is such a non-entity in the musical that her lack of singing ability didn't really bother me. I agree about Cohen though, he wrecked Master of the House.

On paper...
Forum: General Discussion 16-03-2015, 12:24
Replies: 664
Views: 18,967
Posted By marjangles
If by natural you are asking just about whether...

If by natural you are asking just about whether it happens in nature then clearly IVF is not 'natural'. The problem starts when people use the terms 'natural' and 'unnatural' to make value...
Forum: Movies 12-03-2015, 13:54
Replies: 46
Views: 2,805
Posted By marjangles
I love them all for different reasons, even some...

I love them all for different reasons, even some of the duff ones like Saludos Amigos and Rescuers Down Under have something endearing in them.

My absolute favourite is and always will be Beauty...
Forum: General Discussion 09-03-2015, 11:01
Replies: 586
Views: 11,896
Posted By marjangles
Meanwhile gay people are just supposed to put up...

Meanwhile gay people are just supposed to put up with it? Expect lesser service, accept that there's the potential to be turned away and humiliated because they have the misfortune of choosing a...
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