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Forum: Politics Yesterday, 17:13
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Posted By sangreal
We're just going round in circles. Do you accept...

We're just going round in circles.

Do you accept that the 300bn added to the national debt by the Tories between 1979-97, which bumped the national debt up to 350bn, played a role in determining...
Forum: Politics Yesterday, 15:34
Replies: 199
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Posted By sangreal
@paulschapman I'm not going to quote anything,...

@paulschapman

I'm not going to quote anything, but just want to say that it's good to see at least one Tory supporter accepting that the Tories are also responsible.
You say that "no-one is...
Forum: Politics Yesterday, 14:18
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Posted By sangreal
That wasn't the only reason. They had to try pay...

That wasn't the only reason. They had to try pay off some of the 350bn national debt, which was the reason a surplus was required, and they ran a surplus up till 2002, so it was more than any 2 years...
Forum: Politics Yesterday, 07:25
Replies: 199
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Posted By sangreal
Correct. Money we didn't have because the Tories...

Correct. Money we didn't have because the Tories added 300bn to the national debt.

Whether it was prudent or not to spend money on schools, hospitals & infrastructure is probably partly irrelevant,...
Forum: Politics Yesterday, 06:53
Replies: 199
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Posted By sangreal
No, it's not summarised to a T, not...

No, it's not summarised to a T, not whatsoever.

Nowhere did I say we should discount recessions that occurred under Labour.

My entire point is that both Labour and Conservative are responsible for...
Forum: Politics Yesterday, 02:09
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Posted By sangreal
No. We're not talking about the post-2008 period...

No. We're not talking about the post-2008 period in the OP.
The OP asks if Labour spent too much whilst in power, referring to the pre crash period where they added somewhere between 120-150bn to the...
Forum: Politics 04-05-2015, 22:11
Replies: 199
Views: 5,286
Posted By sangreal
They didn't. They ran a surplus from...

They didn't. They ran a surplus from ~1998-2002



Sure they did. That's why they added 300bn to the national debt....
Still in denial.
Forum: Politics 04-05-2015, 20:39
Replies: 199
Views: 5,286
Posted By sangreal
Gah, stupid edit time limit. That should...

Gah, stupid edit time limit.
That should obviously say ~200bn, not 2bn.
Forum: Politics 04-05-2015, 20:07
Replies: 199
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Posted By sangreal
Nope. It was around 120-150bn between 1997-2008...

Nope. It was around 120-150bn between 1997-2008 before the global financial crisis.
That's what we were talking about... how much Labour spent leading up to the crash.

The rest came after, due to a...
Forum: Politics 04-05-2015, 09:05
Replies: 199
Views: 5,286
Posted By sangreal
Again, Labour did nothing different to the...

Again, Labour did nothing different to the Tories.
They ran a surplus for 3-4 years and then spent (out of necessity) to fix the problems caused by 18 years of Tory neglect.

The global crash of...
Forum: Politics 04-05-2015, 08:43
Replies: 199
Views: 5,286
Posted By sangreal
Because it's irrelevant and an attempt at...

Because it's irrelevant and an attempt at detracting from the simple question that I asked first.
And also because I don't usually respond to Toryesque arrogance, rudeness, ad hominem attacks, and...
Forum: Politics 03-05-2015, 21:12
Replies: 44
Views: 1,083
Posted By sangreal
I'm not saying that Labour are blameless, I'm...

I'm not saying that Labour are blameless, I'm just saying that the Tories are equally to blame (if not more) and that, as per usual, Cameron is being highly deceitful & hypocritical.
Forum: Politics 03-05-2015, 21:01
Replies: 44
Views: 1,083
Posted By sangreal
Yes, I understand fully. Which is why I said "he...

Yes, I understand fully. Which is why I said "he should practice what he preaches".
He's claiming to lower taxes when all along they've increased.
It's nothing but deceitful & hypocritical.

They...
Forum: Politics 03-05-2015, 20:42
Replies: 44
Views: 1,083
Posted By sangreal
He should practice what he preaches. The only...

He should practice what he preaches.

The only noteworthy tax cuts introduced in the past 5 years were the LibDem policy of increasing the threshold up to 10k (something which I very much doubt...
Forum: Politics 03-05-2015, 19:04
Replies: 199
Views: 5,286
Posted By sangreal
There wasn't a recession between...

There wasn't a recession between 1997-2008.

Previous cyclic recessions had resulted in much smaller deficits than the 2008-10 global financial crisis - for which no-one could've prepared for. The...
Forum: Politics 03-05-2015, 18:54
Replies: 199
Views: 5,286
Posted By sangreal
Yes. I take it this means you can't answer the...

Yes. I take it this means you can't answer the question?

~300bn in 18 years vs ~125bn in 11 years
(also taking into account that 300bn in 1979-97 would've been worth a hell of a lot more in...
Forum: Politics 03-05-2015, 18:45
Replies: 199
Views: 5,286
Posted By sangreal
You're still in denial. Labour did nothing...

You're still in denial.

Labour did nothing different to the previous Tory government who ran deficits for 15 of the 18 years they were in power, adding almost 300bn to the national debt between...
Forum: Politics 01-05-2015, 21:36
Replies: 199
Views: 5,286
Posted By sangreal
How convenient, eh?! So when the Tories added...

How convenient, eh?!

So when the Tories added ~300bn to the national debt between 1979-97, it was not because they over-spent/borrowed, it was all because of recessions?

But when Labour added...
Forum: Politics 01-05-2015, 10:11
Replies: 199
Views: 5,286
Posted By sangreal
We've already discussed this before as well. The...

We've already discussed this before as well.
The government statistics don't match with the data and graphs...
Forum: Politics 01-05-2015, 09:28
Replies: 199
Views: 5,286
Posted By sangreal
Versus the official National Audit Office.... By...

Versus the official National Audit Office....

By the way, it was added straight to the national debt, not the budget deficit.
To follow your lead/example, it was discussed at length in a previous...
Forum: Politics 01-05-2015, 09:06
Replies: 199
Views: 5,286
Posted By sangreal
National Audit...

National Audit Office
http://www.nao.org.uk/report/maintaining-the-financial-stability-of-uk-banks-update-on-the-support-schemes/

"The National Audit Office has today reported that the scale of the...
Forum: Politics 01-05-2015, 08:46
Replies: 199
Views: 5,286
Posted By sangreal
2/5 (two fifths) actually It was ~155bn in 2010...

2/5 (two fifths) actually

It was ~155bn in 2010 and ~90bn in 2015
http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/334/uk-economy/uk-national-debt/

It's been predicted to be 75bn next year, but the 90bn figure is...
Forum: Politics 01-05-2015, 08:28
Replies: 199
Views: 5,286
Posted By sangreal
There was a surplus between 1998-2001 and the...

There was a surplus between 1998-2001 and the defict was lower between 1997-2008 than it was for Major's government
http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5922/economics/uk-budget-deficit-2/

The Tories...
Forum: Politics 01-05-2015, 06:08
Replies: 199
Views: 5,286
Posted By sangreal
Yeah, but he was just Bush's stooge. What a...

Yeah, but he was just Bush's stooge.
What a muppet he was.
Forum: Politics 01-05-2015, 05:59
Replies: 199
Views: 5,286
Posted By sangreal
I think you'll find that was Bush & his cronies,...

I think you'll find that was Bush & his cronies, not Labour :-/

The Tories are the masters of divide & rule, propaganda, exploitation, deceit, spin, smears & lies.
Well, to be more precise, they're...
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