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Forum: Big Brother Yesterday, 21:20
Replies: 92
Views: 3,552
Posted By Jaycee Dove
For those who want to see some of the facts about...

For those who want to see some of the facts about transgender people like Kellie there is a long thread on here that has been discussing the issues (at times politely). :)

For some reason it got...
Forum: Big Brother Yesterday, 16:04
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
Not necessarily. If she has a gender recognition...

Not necessarily.

If she has a gender recognition certificate, as explained earlier in this thread.

You can get these without surgery. Though possibly not so early in Kellie's transition.
Forum: Big Brother Yesterday, 16:02
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
Snipped out a lot, but your arguments are all...

Snipped out a lot, but your arguments are all genuine, I believe.

There is indeed a lot of (to me) strange looking insistence on use of certain terms. I have never understood this CIS thing either....
Forum: Big Brother Yesterday, 15:44
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
There are many reasons. For instance, the very...

There are many reasons.

For instance, the very poor understanding and supervision of hormone therapy - particularly for older transgender patients (say those treated 30 - 40 years ago when this was...
Forum: Big Brother Yesterday, 11:46
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
Unfortunately, your idealistic world does not...

Unfortunately, your idealistic world does not exist and your idea of how to get rid of this issue using psychiatrists also does not work.

Do you seriously not think this wasn't the first thing that...
Forum: Big Brother 21-08-2014, 21:01
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
The ladies I would presume. I doubt anyone there...

The ladies I would presume. I doubt anyone there would care that much.

In day to day life it is hardly a big deal.

This is a question usually of most fascination to men I have noticed. :)
Forum: Big Brother 21-08-2014, 20:57
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
It is not PC nonsense, though. Of course, some...

It is not PC nonsense, though.

Of course, some people are never going to accept these things. They are very hard to get your head around. So nobody expects unanimity I would imagine.

For the...
Forum: Big Brother 21-08-2014, 20:35
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
Thanks to you and Flight for helping to clarify...

Thanks to you and Flight for helping to clarify and to direct to some of the recent research.

There has been a great deal of data published in the past 15 years or so on the biochemistry of the...
Forum: Big Brother 21-08-2014, 16:49
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
Not sure how long she has been taking hormones ...

Not sure how long she has been taking hormones but these certainly will have had an emotional effect.

The usual procedure is to take a suppressant of male hormone production in the body and then...
Forum: Big Brother 21-08-2014, 15:15
Replies: 60
Views: 3,204
Posted By Jaycee Dove
It is complicated. I think transgender is a...

It is complicated.

I think transgender is a broad term that covers a number of things - transvestism and transsexualism being the two main ones.

These are extremely different - though there can be...
Forum: Big Brother 21-08-2014, 14:57
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
Okay run with this analogy, though I am a bit...

Okay run with this analogy, though I am a bit uncomfortable about it to be honest.

If a person had (let's say) purple skin pigmentation and racial characteristics that would be a medical reality,...
Forum: Big Brother 21-08-2014, 14:26
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
I suggest you read back through the thread to...

I suggest you read back through the thread to understand - though quite a few people above presumably have done and seem determined NOT to do so.

It has never been suggested that anyone changes sex....
Forum: Big Brother 20-08-2014, 21:22
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
Precisely and it is the well being of these young...

Precisely and it is the well being of these young people we should be interested in - not nonsense about madcap experiments.

Nobody does anything they are not convinced will be of benefit to the...
Forum: Big Brother 20-08-2014, 20:15
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
I do not think anyone is suggesting transition...

I do not think anyone is suggesting transition start medically before puberty, but it is getting more common to allow transition without medical intervention in primary school if all parties are sure...
Forum: Big Brother 20-08-2014, 19:38
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
I doubt anyone would argue with that in strict...

I doubt anyone would argue with that in strict biological terms. Not even those who are transgendered I suspect.

The argument is really over whether a person being male or female is entirely a...
Forum: Big Brother 20-08-2014, 19:08
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
I am looking forward to a future thread when a...

I am looking forward to a future thread when a retro genetically engineered dinosaur is created by scientists out of a chicken's egg.

I can see it now - the debate over whether they are really a...
Forum: Big Brother 20-08-2014, 18:59
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
But why do you not accept the analogy? Both are...

But why do you not accept the analogy?

Both are medical conditions as defined by specialists and doctors.

Surely it is reasonable to accept judgement on terminology to apply based on the correct...
Forum: Big Brother 20-08-2014, 18:34
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
The problem is that transgender is not a choice...

The problem is that transgender is not a choice but some kind of medical condition. And medicine, convention and the law all agree as to what and when they should be called 'he' or 'she'.

I can see...
Forum: Big Brother 20-08-2014, 18:24
Replies: 60
Views: 3,204
Posted By Jaycee Dove
No surprise that there would be nasty and nice...

No surprise that there would be nasty and nice transgender people as they are just people, after all.

It is perfectly reasonable to criticise someone for things that they do wrong or are considered...
Forum: Big Brother 20-08-2014, 17:50
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
What if someone said something similar to you in...

What if someone said something similar to you in the street then you might not give two hoots - or you might feel a bit miffed and thus appreciate why it would hurt Kellie.

Your opinion is your...
Forum: Big Brother 20-08-2014, 16:35
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
The simplest thing to do is treat a transgender...

The simplest thing to do is treat a transgender person as you would - say - someone with a deformity that made their face grow like 'the elephant man'.

Most people would feel deeply empathetic and...
Forum: Big Brother 20-08-2014, 16:25
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
But it is not just 'living as one'. It is a...

But it is not just 'living as one'. It is a medically approved, psychologically assessed and legally ratified change of status in the UK.

And the law here follows these accepted laws and conventions...
Forum: Big Brother 20-08-2014, 16:20
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
It is not true, if you read earlier in the thread...

It is not true, if you read earlier in the thread a link was posted. More like half way through the two year period I believe.
Forum: Big Brother 20-08-2014, 15:54
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
I believe these things have been tried, yes. But...

I believe these things have been tried, yes. But the 'sex' hormones do not appear to control gender identity, as such. The changes they control are primarily (but not entirely) physiological - eg...
Forum: Big Brother 20-08-2014, 15:26
Replies: 372
Views: 10,804
Posted By Jaycee Dove
It is easy to read up on this subject, as there...

It is easy to read up on this subject, as there is a lot of information out there.

But to try to answer some questions raised.

Firstly, the surgery that Kellie will undergo - if she chooses to and...
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