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Forum: General Discussion Today, 11:05
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
If the right to express oneself via a pamphlet...

If the right to express oneself via a pamphlet extended to the right to force anyone to produce said pamphlet then I would disagree with that interpretation.


Not a great analogy. Again.
Forum: General Discussion Today, 10:59
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
You and old endeavor seem to be arguing against a...

You and old endeavor seem to be arguing against a position nobody holds. Perhaps that's why those posts are getting ignored.
Forum: General Discussion Today, 10:50
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
Very well put. It was a refusal to provide a very...

Very well put. It was a refusal to provide a very specific product, not a refusal to serve a customer based on their sexuality or anything else.
Forum: General Discussion Today, 09:06
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
Where have I said otherwise? :confused:

Where have I said otherwise? :confused:
Forum: General Discussion Today, 09:00
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
So directly discriminating against people because...

So directly discriminating against people because of who they are? Analogies are clearly not your strong point. :D
Forum: General Discussion Today, 08:56
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
The publisher disclaimer analogy addresses a...

The publisher disclaimer analogy addresses a different point altogether: endorsement. The point we are making is one of facilitation, and it is you who has failed to counter that point, hence your...
Forum: General Discussion Today, 08:45
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
And that's the crux of our disagreement. I don't...

And that's the crux of our disagreement. I don't accept that refusing to provide a specific cake saying "support gay marriage" equates to "won't serve gay people".
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 22:57
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
I don't want businesses to refuse to serve people...

I don't want businesses to refuse to serve people because they are gay, if that's what you are trying to insinuate, regardless of their beliefs and whether they are deeply held or not.
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 22:52
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
I don't think refusing to print a message...

I don't think refusing to print a message supporting gay marriage is the same as refusing to serve a gay person. I'm aware the courts have found differently but I disagree with that view.

The rest...
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 22:34
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
I've already stated my opinion on why I'm not...

I've already stated my opinion on why I'm not convinced it was actually discrimination and why I think businesses should have the final say in which causes they support. I'm happy to discuss any...
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 22:07
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
I used the word support because that's what I...

I used the word support because that's what I meant to use, though it does not alter my argument if I had used the word facilitate. You simply misunderstood because you weren't sure of the meaning of...
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 20:33
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
Sorry Jesaya, I must conclude you are being...

Sorry Jesaya, I must conclude you are being wilfully ignorant - arguing over the semantics of a word doesn't bolster your point or detract from mine so I can only conclude that you are trying to drag...
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 20:13
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
Most businesses don't usually facilitate...

Most businesses don't usually facilitate policitcal movements. I just happen to think that when a business does so it should be their decision, and if they choose not to facilitate a cause I agree...
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 19:38
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
If they help the cause then they have supported...

If they help the cause then they have supported it. You can support something in the facilitate sense, without supporting it in the football team sense. So yes, you are conflating two things.

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Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 19:29
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
I'm not going to get drawn into a distracting and...

I'm not going to get drawn into a distracting and ultimately pointless semantic argument. The point being made is that a business may not wish to facilitate or provide support to a cause they...
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 19:24
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
I didn't ignore you, i disagreed with you....

I didn't ignore you, i disagreed with you. :confused:
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 18:26
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
What's to be confused about? They've supported...

What's to be confused about? They've supported both. Do you know what the word facilitate means?
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 18:24
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
Are you saying the lesbian couple targeted that...

Are you saying the lesbian couple targeted that taxi driver?
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 18:22
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
By publishing material such as books, leaflets or...

By publishing material such as books, leaflets or a cake with a supportive message on, a business would be facilitating a political cause. I did say that just a few posts ago but, to use your own...
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 18:16
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
You tell me, you seem to be in the mood for...

You tell me, you seem to be in the mood for making up ridiculous examples! :D
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 18:11
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
Fair enough, I thought when you said you'd read...

Fair enough, I thought when you said you'd read the thread, you actually had! :)
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 18:09
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
You're conflating two different things Jesaya. As...

You're conflating two different things Jesaya. As I said, I'm not claiming that a publisher shares or endorses the views they publish merely by the act of publishing them. I'm claiming that by...
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 18:00
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
As we've seen on this thread, not everyone who...

As we've seen on this thread, not everyone who agrees with the Ashers verdict would view it that way.
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 17:58
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Posted By Slarti Bartfast
Disclaimer? The very act of printing material has...

Disclaimer? The very act of printing material has contributed to, and thus supported, the cause. I'm not claiming the publisher shares the views they are printing, but printing them does support the...
Forum: General Discussion Yesterday, 17:44
Replies: 1,781
Views: 33,635
Posted By Slarti Bartfast
Of course. Publishing material for a cause...

Of course. Publishing material for a cause supports it.
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