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unhappybunnyunhappybunny Posts: 281
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Im rather cross....

Every week I like to watch Songs of Praise, usually broadcast every Sunday in HD on BBC One HD.

The time often changes, but as I am rarely home when it is on that doesn't matter, as it is left to my Sky Plus (which records regardless of the time as it is on- thanks to series link).

However, recently, I.E today because of Golf and a few weeks ago during Wimbledon, they have shifted it onto BBC Two.

This means my SkyPlus doesn't record it, as it doesn't recognise the channel change. And also means that I don't get to see it in HD. This is so annoying.

The Golf is the non-regular program (i.e. a one off) so surely that should be on BBC Two, so the regular SOP appears on its usual channel in HD and the SkyPlus recordings are not interrupted. Its quite a disgrace !!!
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    gomezzgomezz Posts: 44,644
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    You have had all week to check and set your timers.
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    unhappybunnyunhappybunny Posts: 281
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    gomezz wrote: »
    You have had all week to check and set your timers.

    Wow what a nice reply... the idea of Series Link is you don't have to "check and set your timers".

    Imagine if I had to "check and set my timers" every day for EVERY item in my series link !!! It would completely defeat the object of series link !!!
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    StevenNTStevenNT Posts: 2,879
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    gomezz wrote: »
    You have had all week to check and set your timers.

    and I'm going to assume they are at home now so could watch it anyway if not there is BBC iPlayer. I don't think Songs of Praise is in HD anyway, if it was it would be on BBC HD.
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    mersey70mersey70 Posts: 5,049
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    unhappybunny wrote: »
    Wow what a nice reply... the idea of Series Link is you don't have to "check and set your timers".

    Imagine if I had to "check and set my timers" every day for EVERY item in my series link !!! It would completely defeat the object of series link !!!

    Maybe post in the Sky+ Forums, someone else might have encountered the same issue.

    On the broadcasting issue I think it's fair for the final day of The Open to be on BBC One HD and i'm no golf fan.

    I suspect more people will watch it than Songs of Praise.
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    gomezzgomezz Posts: 44,644
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    unhappybunny wrote: »
    the idea of Series Link is you don't have to "check and set your timers".
    Alas, we are still in the primitive era of auto-recording. Don't believe the hype and check once a week and be aware of live sports event coverage which can and does cause last minute changes which can defeat even the cleverest recording device.
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    derek500derek500 Posts: 24,892
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    unhappybunny wrote: »

    This means my SkyPlus doesn't record it, as it doesn't recognise the channel change. And also means that I don't get to see it in HD. This is so annoying.

    Log in to MySky and 'remote record' it.
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    unhappybunnyunhappybunny Posts: 281
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    StevenNT wrote: »
    and I'm going to assume they are at home now so could watch it anyway if not there is BBC iPlayer. I don't think Songs of Praise is in HD anyway, if it was it would be on BBC HD.

    It is in HD, and it is on BBC One HD only not BBC HD
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    ariusukariusuk Posts: 13,411
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    Of course the Sky+ system can cope with channel changes on series link (Sky do it all the time). It's just the BBC doesn't use that function.
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    Peter the GreatPeter the Great Posts: 14,230
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    unhappybunny wrote: »
    Wow what a nice reply... the idea of Series Link is you don't have to "check and set your timers".

    Imagine if I had to "check and set my timers" every day for EVERY item in my series link !!! It would completely defeat the object of series link !!!
    I don't why a series link can only be done if it is on the same channel? Sometimes a change of channel can happen at the last minute as well mainly due to sporting events. So i do think you have a good point.
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    davelovesleedsdavelovesleeds Posts: 22,664
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    I have had this problem with Songs Of Praise too and have also noticed that when it does shift to BBC2 whether planned or not the series link has not been available to set, however, today;s programme did so I have used that in the hope that if it is on BBC2 in the next month or so this will catch it. Sorry, not much use telling you now the show has finished. I notice that EastEnders often moves between BBC1 and BBC2 even sometimes on the same day, don't know if this suffers in the same way but I'd guess it does.
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    derek500derek500 Posts: 24,892
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    davelovesleeds wrote: »
    I have had this problem with Songs Of Praise too and have also noticed that when it does shift to BBC2 whether planned or not the series link has not been available to set, however, today;s programme did so I have used that in the hope that if it is on BBC2 in the next month or so this will catch it. Sorry, not much use telling you now the show has finished. I notice that EastEnders often moves between BBC1 and BBC2 even sometimes on the same day, don't know if this suffers in the same way but I'd guess it does.

    Partly the problem this week for HD viewers who have it series linked, is that there is no HD showing to series link to!!
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    carl.waringcarl.waring Posts: 35,726
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    If only the OP had had a VM Tivo. He could have then made a Wishlist for the show which would have recorded it whichever channel it was shown on ;)
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    DVDfeverDVDfever Posts: 18,535
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    unhappybunny wrote: »
    This means my SkyPlus doesn't record it, as it doesn't recognise the channel change. And also means that I don't get to see it in HD. This is so annoying.

    Then stop relying on a piece of crap like the Sky-
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    derek500derek500 Posts: 24,892
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    carl.waring wrote: »
    If only the OP had had a VM Tivo. He could have then made a Wishlist for the show which would have recorded it whichever channel it was shown on ;)

    So a Tivo will record the SD version if the HD one isn't shown at all?
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    derek500derek500 Posts: 24,892
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    ariusuk wrote: »
    Of course the Sky+ system can cope with channel changes on series link (Sky do it all the time). It's just the BBC doesn't use that function.

    But the HD version didn't change channels, it wasn't shown at all.
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    ariusuk wrote: »
    Of course the Sky+ system can cope with channel changes on series link (Sky do it all the time). It's just the BBC doesn't use that function.

    Yes they do.
    However, a series link set up on the HD channels has a different series and programme identifier than the SD versions. If the OP had set a series link on the SD BBC One broadcast the change of channel would have been picked up. The fact the series link was set up on the HD channel, which then did not show the broadcast, meant the recorder had no alternative to pick up as it wasn't shown on any other HD channel. The BBC (and other broadcasters) cannot use the same identifiers on both the SD and HD channels as that would confuse a PVR and it would record both showings at the same time.
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    JAS84JAS84 Posts: 7,430
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    unhappybunny wrote: »
    It is in HD, and it is on BBC One HD only not BBC HD
    Then it's probably NOT HD. BBC One HD upscales if the programme isn't natively HD. The other BBC HD channel only shows true HD programmes.
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    derek500derek500 Posts: 24,892
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    JAS84 wrote: »
    Then it's probably NOT HD. BBC One HD upscales if the programme isn't natively HD. The other BBC HD channel only shows true HD programmes.

    Just to clarify, Songs of Praise in in HD. This week it was only shown in SD on BBC Two, but not on BBC HD as they were showing their normal children's programmes.
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    carl.waringcarl.waring Posts: 35,726
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    derek500 wrote: »
    So a Tivo will record the SD version if the HD one isn't shown at all?
    It will record whichever version is shown first.
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    gomezzgomezz Posts: 44,644
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    Which is no good if you specifically wanted the HD version.
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    DVDfeverDVDfever Posts: 18,535
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    carl.waring wrote: »
    It will record whichever version is shown first.
    gomezz wrote: »
    Which is no good if you specifically wanted the HD version.

    Doesn't the VM TiVo have a "First run & repeats" option for the season pass like the original one?
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    derek500derek500 Posts: 24,892
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    carl.waring wrote: »
    It will record whichever version is shown first.

    So to clarify. A Tivo set up to record the HD version on BBC One HD, would automatically switch to the SD version on BBC Two and the week after go back to the HD version on BBC One HD?

    Whereas Sky+ set to record the SD version on BBC One would have recorded the SD version on BBC Two and gone back to BBC One next week.

    A Sky+HD would only record HD versions, as shown, and would have missed this week's as it wasn't broadcast.
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    gomezzgomezz Posts: 44,644
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    DVDfever wrote: »
    Doesn't the VM TiVo have a "First run & repeats" option for the season pass like the original one?
    So would clutter up the hard drive with both SD and HD versions? Still not ideal as it is annoying to watch something in SD only to find it being shown a few days later in HD. As I said in another thread auto-recording is still very primitive and needs work from the viewer to keep on top of it.
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    carl.waringcarl.waring Posts: 35,726
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    DVDfever wrote: »
    Doesn't the VM TiVo have a "First run & repeats" option for the season pass like the original one?
    Yes. But with a wishlist it records the first showing of whatever it records; be it SD or HD.
    derek500 wrote: »
    So to clarify. A Tivo set up to record the HD version on BBC One HD, would automatically switch to the SD version on BBC Two and the week after go back to the HD version on BBC One HD?
    With a Wishlist, yes. Series Links are channel-specific.
    gomezz wrote: »
    So would clutter up the hard drive with both SD and HD versions
    No it wouldn't as it will (okay, should) only ever record one "version" of any given programme.
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    DVDfeverDVDfever Posts: 18,535
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    gomezz wrote: »
    So would clutter up the hard drive with both SD and HD versions?
    As I said in another thread auto-recording is still very primitive and needs work from the viewer to keep on top of it.

    What - deleting a recording every now and then? It's not much effort, and machines aren't sentient.... yet.
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