Without a PVR it is, with a PVR it's £29.50 which I would hazard a guess most new customers would choose. It's worth noting that the VM prices require a phoneline too otherwise XL is actually more expensive than Sky Entertainment Extra+, either with or without a PVR.
Sky EE+ and a PVR is £31.50 with Sky Atlantic and over 45 HD Channels.
There's very little between them in price anymore, even less so when ESPN closes. Both are pretty good value though but i'd personally rather spend £2 more for Atlantic and many more HD channels than music videos but I guess it's horses for courses.
I suppose another consideration is if you're a premium channel customer which I think are a fair bit cheaper with Sky, sadly I rather suspect Sky Sports customers are heading for pretty big price hikes whatever platform they view on
Yes I'm aware of all that. You made reference to the bundled £29.50 (XL TV & TiVo) price to which I responded to, not the unbundled XL TV & TiVo price you're now referring to. To correct you I pointed out that the bundled price of XL TV is only £24.50 whether you have a TiVo or not, and therefore £7 cheaper than EE+.
If we're comparing like for like then to get any OD content with EE+ (one of its main features) you'd need a landline and BB meaning you'd be paying considerably more than the £31.50 quoted. You'd only need to add VM phone/BB to bring the price of XL TV down to £24.50, EE+ remains at £31.50 with phone and BB. Most TiVo customers choose a Collection which doesn't have a £5 fee attached to it. And those still with a V+ don't pay a PVR fee.
Personally I wouldn't consider 13 more HD channels to be many more or good value over thousands of OD music videos especially if I had access to the same content those HD channels are showing, even if in SD.
Yes I'm aware of all that. You made reference to the bundled £29.50 (XL TV & TiVo) price to which I responded to, not the unbundled XL TV & TiVo price you're now referring to. To correct you I pointed out that the bundled price of XL TV is only £24.50 whether you have a TiVo or not, and therefore £7 cheaper than EE+.
If we're comparing like for like then to get any OD content with EE+ (one of its main features) you'd need a landline and BB meaning you'd be paying considerably more than the £31.50 quoted. You'd only need to add VM phone/BB to bring the price of XL TV down to £24.50, EE+ remains at £31.50 with phone and BB. Most TiVo customers choose a Collection which doesn't have a £5 fee attached to it. And those still with a V+ don't pay a PVR fee.
Personally I wouldn't consider 13 more HD channels to be many more or good value over thousands of OD music videos especially if I had access to the same content those HD channels are showing, even if in SD.
That's fair comment about On Demand and indeed it's horses for courses what people like but for a couple of pounds more i'd much rather have Sky Atlantic than music videos, i'm a bit old for them personally, I know it often gets very low ratings but for me its by far the highest quality, non premium pay channel.
Music Videos and Atlantic aside if VM can get BT Sport in XL then that would be a genuine game changer for many people, in my opinion
not sure why bt sport in xl would be a game changer, it has less premiership football than the first year of espn end of setanta which was in xl, most of the other sports were already available to xl viewers. it might stop people leaving for bt from cable rather than adsl supplied areas.
cable is sort of half way between bt and sky with regard to content, with a platform advantage of sorts only in cabled areas.
not sure why bt sport in xl would be a game changer, it has less premiership football than the first year of espn end of setanta which was in xl, most of the other sports were already available to xl viewers. it might stop people leaving for bt from cable rather than adsl supplied areas.
cable is sort of half way between bt and sky with regard to content, with a platform advantage of sorts only in cabled areas.
Game changer in the sense that many channels have recently been added to VM but ESPN is closing which is maybe why they can afford to add them.
If the package also had BT Sport it would be a great package but most people seem to think there's little chance of that happening.
Surprising that NHK World HD will be the first HD news channel to launch on Virgin. I would have said Sky News HD and Sky Sports News HD or the Turner owned CNN HD which launches on satellite in june. I wonder what channel 623 will be used for.
Discovery Home & Health has moved to channel 271.
Discovery Home & Health +1 has moved to channel 272
Discovery Travel & Living has been removed from channel 273.
Discovery Shed has moved to channel 273.
Comedy Central +1 has moved from 134 to 133
MTV has moved from 311 to 134
Comedy Central HD has moved from 133 to 181
Comedy Central Extra has moved from 185 to 182
MTV Live HD has moved from 310 to 311
MTV Hits has moved from 317 to 312
MTV Base has moved from 315 to 313
MTV Rocks has moved from 325 to 315
VH1 has moved from 320 to 316
VIVA has moved from 313 to 317
Also suggests they plan to launch MTV Live on 310.
Maybe they will use 308 and 309 for MTV Music & MTV Classic.
I'm not sure why they would want to put less popular channels higher up on the EPG. I would have thought that clearing the range up to 310 is more likely to be to reserve the space for Music OD channels.
Comedy Central +1 has moved from 134 to 133
MTV has moved from 311 to 134
Comedy Central HD has moved from 133 to 181
Comedy Central Extra has moved from 185 to 182
MTV Live HD has moved from 310 to 311
MTV Hits has moved from 317 to 312
MTV Base has moved from 315 to 313
MTV Rocks has moved from 325 to 315
VH1 has moved from 320 to 316
VIVA has moved from 313 to 317
also..
MTV Dance has moved from 319 to 314.
Which actually was one on the first in the sequence of changes, I missed that in the copy / paste.
I wish we could change the order of the channels to suit ourselves.
I would put all the channels I watch the most at the front and channels such as the ones with programmes about embarrassing bodies and the guy with the wiggly worms coming out of his scalp at the back of the listings.
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S4C is moving to 166
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35562371-post599.html
Yes I'm aware of all that. You made reference to the bundled £29.50 (XL TV & TiVo) price to which I responded to, not the unbundled XL TV & TiVo price you're now referring to. To correct you I pointed out that the bundled price of XL TV is only £24.50 whether you have a TiVo or not, and therefore £7 cheaper than EE+.
If we're comparing like for like then to get any OD content with EE+ (one of its main features) you'd need a landline and BB meaning you'd be paying considerably more than the £31.50 quoted. You'd only need to add VM phone/BB to bring the price of XL TV down to £24.50, EE+ remains at £31.50 with phone and BB. Most TiVo customers choose a Collection which doesn't have a £5 fee attached to it. And those still with a V+ don't pay a PVR fee.
Personally I wouldn't consider 13 more HD channels to be many more or good value over thousands of OD music videos especially if I had access to the same content those HD channels are showing, even if in SD.
That's fair comment about On Demand and indeed it's horses for courses what people like but for a couple of pounds more i'd much rather have Sky Atlantic than music videos, i'm a bit old for them personally, I know it often gets very low ratings but for me its by far the highest quality, non premium pay channel.
Music Videos and Atlantic aside if VM can get BT Sport in XL then that would be a genuine game changer for many people, in my opinion
cable is sort of half way between bt and sky with regard to content, with a platform advantage of sorts only in cabled areas.
Game changer in the sense that many channels have recently been added to VM but ESPN is closing which is maybe why they can afford to add them.
If the package also had BT Sport it would be a great package but most people seem to think there's little chance of that happening.
Just a red button redirect like the YouTube channel, actually.
Zee Cafe on 811
Zing on 813
Also another HD channel should be coming soon too, NHK World HD on 625.
Zee Cafe for anyone interested does show live cricket. If anyone's interested in that.
NHK World is not a bad news channel at all.
Whats left then that sky has VM dont? I can't think of many....
Sony Movies, that's the channel i'd like to see
TLC - 167
TLC HD - 168
TLC +1 - 169
I.D. +1 - 215
NHK World TV HD - 625 (starts tomorrow)
Channels closed:
Discovery Realtime - 271
Realtime +1 - 272
Travel & Living - 273
Discovery Home & Health +1 has moved to channel 272
Discovery Travel & Living has been removed from channel 273.
Discovery Shed has moved to channel 273.
Comedy Central +1 has moved from 134 to 133
MTV has moved from 311 to 134
Comedy Central HD has moved from 133 to 181
Comedy Central Extra has moved from 185 to 182
MTV Live HD has moved from 310 to 311
MTV Hits has moved from 317 to 312
MTV Base has moved from 315 to 313
MTV Rocks has moved from 325 to 315
VH1 has moved from 320 to 316
VIVA has moved from 313 to 317
Maybe they will use 308 and 309 for MTV Music & MTV Classic.
Syfy 134 - Syfy +1 135 - Syfy HD 136 rather than shifting MTV
I'm not sure why they would want to put less popular channels higher up on the EPG. I would have thought that clearing the range up to 310 is more likely to be to reserve the space for Music OD channels.
Viacom already occupied 134, it's easier for them to shuffle their own channels around than for other programme suppliers to evict them.
also..
MTV Dance has moved from 319 to 314.
Which actually was one on the first in the sequence of changes, I missed that in the copy / paste.
I would put all the channels I watch the most at the front and channels such as the ones with programmes about embarrassing bodies and the guy with the wiggly worms coming out of his scalp at the back of the listings.