This seems like a deflection from answering the question though- you say he should show genuine remorse and sadness but then won't say how this should manifest itself.
Anyway- I won't hold out for a reply- if you really think it has become tedious- then I agree, it's not worth your while to bother with it. Fair enough.:)
I guess those of us that believe he knew it was Reeva and that he killed her in a rage (most of us it seems) would see owning up to what happened as a key way of showing remorse, for those few that still see his version as credible I would think that genuine remorse would still be to take responsibility for killing her ( not just sorry she is dead) to be sorry for his reckless act (not just sorry for the 'accident' ) because on his version what he did is reckless and irresponsible. He has never really done this IMO and what he did say on the stand was dragged out of him by Nel
Just how on earth am I patronising you, I answered your query in the best way I knew how, if you weren't interested in a reply why the heck didn't you say so?
Perhaps... my dry wit is a bit of an a*se at times...my apologies.
It was a general enquiry...I have a rough idea what was going on, just wanted to know if anyone else had any ideas...what were their thoughts on this anomaly in the records, of a man so "sad" he can't speak, but organised enough to get voicemails and not call for help, because he cant speak.
Another thought could be...OP was on voicemail, attempted to put in password to retrieve voicemail...accidently dialled Baba
cry... hang up
put correct password in, this time without connecting to Baba in error...listen to voicemail.
End of voicemail.
What is on that voicemail that was so much more important then talking to Baba properly...get security on a wild goose chase looking for rampant intruders or something.
or simply, help me to help Reeva...I need help...this is a pigging emergency man!
This seems like a deflection from answering the question though- you say he should show genuine remorse and sadness but then won't say how this should manifest itself.
Anyway- I won't hold out for a reply- if you really think it has become tedious- then I agree, it's not worth your while to bother with it. Fair enough.:)
Oh if you insist:
Remorse usually entails something along these lines...Shame, self-reproach, self-accusation...has OP demonstrated any? Nope...let me continue...guilt, compunction....anything ringing a bell?....nope...
How about a dictionary definition: Remorse. a noun. A deep and painful regret for wrongdoing.
OP has done nothing wrong...according to him, this "stuff" simply just happens...the most cursed blessed man on planet earth.
Remorse usually entails something along these lines...Shame, self-reproach, self-accusation...has OP demonstrated any? Nope...let me continue...guilt, compunction....anything ringing a bell?....nope...
How about a dictionary definition: Remorse. a noun. A deep and painful regret for wrongdoing.
OP has done nothing wrong...according to him, this "stuff" simply just happens...the most cursed blessed man on planet earth.
So according to OP himself, no remorse.
Do you really want me to go on? seriously? ;-)
Far from blaming himself, he blamed the victim: if only Reeva had let me know she was in the toilet or wtte.
Really, can you tell me the name of the friend so he or she can collaborate your evidence
Sorry, I can’t remember the name; I really wish I could so I could tell you!
It’s unthinkable that such a ridiculous situation would ever happen in an English court of law because no defence lawyer worth his fee is going to allow a defendant to get into such an injudicious situation that could ultimately undermine their defence.
But Oscar did it. With or without Roux he did it!!
And it was not just watching television, but a much more memory engraving situation which he described in great detail to the court. The court heard how fearing for his life he skidded to a halt in a parking lot. He was so upset he had to phone a friend to give him a lift home. All the detail was there, except for one thing, the name of the friend who could verify his story. Oscar had ‘forgotten’ it along with the name of another friend who drove him back to retrieve his car.
So, what a surprise, no witnesses, but of course it was Oscar the Icon who was relating the story so it must be true – mustn’t it? Surely he wouldn’t have made it all up for effect would he?
The sad thing is I don’t think in situations like this he has any real appreciation of just how idiotic he appears to the vast majority of people.
I see a link has emerged between people believing in OP's innocence and also in believing he is appropriately remorseful and respectful of Reeva's family, and grieving the loss of Reeva and taking responsibility for the life he took.
Just something I think is worth noting, without any inference as to why this might be.
Remorse usually entails something along these lines...Shame, self-reproach, self-accusation...has OP demonstrated any? Nope...let me continue...guilt, compunction....anything ringing a bell?....nope...
How about a dictionary definition: Remorse. a noun. A deep and painful regret for wrongdoing.
OP has done nothing wrong...according to him, this "stuff" simply just happens...the most cursed blessed man on planet earth.
So according to OP himself, no remorse.
Do you really want me to go on? seriously? ;-)
You don't have to go on if you don't want to. Thanks for replying though.
But saying he has shown no signs of the above is based on what? If your perception of his lack of remorse is rooted in how he has behaved/what he has said in court and the handful of media stories since the shooting, then that still doesn't make it fact. How can you know he doesn't feel shame/guilt/deep regret etc? What would you need him to do to show evidence of these feelings?
I see a link has emerged between people believing in OP's innocence and also in believing he is appropriately remorseful and respectful of Reeva's family, and grieving the loss of Reeva and taking responsibility for the life he took.
Just something I think is worth noting, without any inference as to why this might be.
For me, I waited to hear the evidence.
Then I was shocked at what I heard, especially from OP.
Non of it has been backed up, non, nothing, nada, ziltch, diddlysquat...
OP was his own worst enemy in that stand...it left my mind wondering if anything I was going to hear from that point onwards was going to be factual or not.
And the more the white balloon brigade do insist that this rationale is thoroughly thought through, examined in microscopic cross sections, softly suffocated under white teddy bears....:o
My own personal logic has simply become more and more validated.
Something does not add up, and it all started when OP opened his mouth.
You don't have to go on if you don't want to. Thanks for replying though.
But saying he has shown no signs of the above is based on what? If your perception of his lack of remorse is rooted in how he has behaved/what he has said in court and the handful of media stories since the shooting, then that still doesn't make it fact. How can you know he doesn't feel shame/guilt/deep regret etc? What would you need him to do to show evidence of these feelings?
How about him saying in public, ‘I am so very sorry I shot and killed Reeva’
Until he acts like a human being and accepts the responsibility for what he has done he can shove all his pseudo grief up where the sun doesn’t shine.
Then I was shocked at what I heard, especially from OP.
Non of it has been backed up, non, nothing, nada, ziltch, diddlysquat...
OP was his own worst enemy in that stand...it left my mind wondering if anything I was going to hear from that point onwards was going to be factual or not.
And the more the white balloon brigade do insist that this rationale is thoroughly thought through, examined in microscopic cross sections, softly suffocated under white teddy bears....:o
My own personal logic has simply become more and more validated.
Something does not add up, and it all started when OP opened his mouth.
Speaks volumes so I nominate this for best quote of the month
I am minded of one of the times Uncle Arnold was wittering on about ‘poor’ Oscar.
He used the words, ‘Oscar is not in a good place right now’
Oh how I wish someone in the audience had replied, ‘no nor is Reeva thanks to him’
But, the message is very loud and clear all round the world...he has a life, he put himself in the place he is now...he is to blame.
Reeva has no life, she did not put herself in the place she is now...he is to blame.
People use "different words" as the White Balloon mob like to constantly chant...well so do these other people, all round the world, in many languages...the message is the same...He is the blame.
You don't have to go on if you don't want to. Thanks for replying though.
But saying he has shown no signs of the above is based on what? If your perception of his lack of remorse is rooted in how he has behaved/what he has said in court and the handful of media stories since the shooting, then that still doesn't make it fact. How can you know he doesn't feel shame/guilt/deep regret etc? What would you need him to do to show evidence of these feelings?
Eh...show it, speak it, feel it...normal human gestures, or am I from planet Zarg in thinking humans behave like this.
Animals are better at showing their true response/emotions then this....this...OP
enough of the excuses, how about you tell me, explain to me how YOU know for a fact that he has shown any remorse, what do you base that assumption on?
Eh...show it, speak it, feel it...normal human gestures, or am I from planet Zarg in thinking humans behave like this.
Animals are better at showing their true response/emotions then this....this...OP
enough of the excuses, how about you tell me, explain to me how YOU know for a fact that he has shown any remorse, what do you base that assumption on?
Calm........it's probably a wind up
Things are getting so protracted I am almost minded to think we have a Carl or Aimee interloper
Eh...show it, speak it, feel it...normal human gestures, or am I from planet Zarg in thinking humans behave like this.
Animals are better at showing their true response/emotions then this....this...OP
enough of the excuses.
But you've not said what he should actually do. How should he show it? What should he say? How should he show he feels it?
It's fine if you don't feel like answering.
I'm not trying to wind anyone up but clearly I seem to be doing just that, because the replies to my posts and the allusions to my posts are getting increasingly provoking- making repeated references to white balloons as though my thoughts, points and opinions can only come from someone so ridiculously infatuated with a celebrity that they have nothing better to do than stand on the courthouse steps with home made placards.
Again I agree, if we take personal emotion out of the equation and concentrate on the facts as presented things look totally different, people tend to forget we are all observers not participants or combatants in the game of guilty or not guilty.
You seem to be saying that if we don't like or dislike OP then we will see things completely differently.
This is ridiculous - many of us are perfectly capable of looking at the evidence and weighing it up.
The stance that OP is guilty is not some 'gut reaction because we don't like his face'.
It's insulting.
A neutral person would look at the evidence and be pretty convinced of his guilt. In my opinion.
Remorse usually entails something along these lines...Shame, self-reproach, self-accusation...has OP demonstrated any? Nope...let me continue...guilt, compunction....anything ringing a bell?....nope...
How about a dictionary definition: Remorse. a noun. A deep and painful regret for wrongdoing.
OP has done nothing wrong...according to him, this "stuff" simply just happens...the most cursed blessed man on planet earth.
So according to OP himself, no remorse.
Do you really want me to go on? seriously? ;-)
This is a good post.
OP doesn't have to 'please our tastes', he had to demonstrate some ordinary reactions, rather than the incessant 'not my fault, this has happened to me, I don't remember, it was an incident, this has made me put my life on hold, it wasn't my fault, it was Reeva's fault etc. etc.
His reaction has been one of calculated refusal to accept responsibility for something that is FACT. He killed Reeva Steenkamp, intent or not that's what he did.
How can proper remorse be shown by anyone who doesn't even admit, in any emotionally credible way, that he did it?
As for the wailing and crying and the puking (look at meeeee), all the experts I've heard say this doesn't indicate his guilt or innocence at all, and certainly doesn't signify honest 'remorse'.
He could be hamming and crying for himself, he could be crying for Reeva.
What makes me believe it's not for Reeva it that he doesn't 'take it on', what he did, and he takes 'nothing' on - even the bullet in Tashas was some magic self propelling one.
And we come back to - OP's concern is to save himself, he will lie and baffle and cry and twist and never honestly admit his culpability.
If you don't do that, you do not demonstrate remorse.
Remorse and repentance stem from honest acceptance of the deed after all.
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Oh dear, what a sarcastic reply.
How very revealing, I almost sense the fear of seeing a pin advancing on a white balloon
Pin...white balloon...aww you are awful
I am waiting to find a small white teddy bear so I can give my puppy a new play thing...that reminds me, must complete his house training ;-)
I guess those of us that believe he knew it was Reeva and that he killed her in a rage (most of us it seems) would see owning up to what happened as a key way of showing remorse, for those few that still see his version as credible I would think that genuine remorse would still be to take responsibility for killing her ( not just sorry she is dead) to be sorry for his reckless act (not just sorry for the 'accident' ) because on his version what he did is reckless and irresponsible. He has never really done this IMO and what he did say on the stand was dragged out of him by Nel
That must be it
Perhaps... my dry wit is a bit of an a*se at times...my apologies.
It was a general enquiry...I have a rough idea what was going on, just wanted to know if anyone else had any ideas...what were their thoughts on this anomaly in the records, of a man so "sad" he can't speak, but organised enough to get voicemails and not call for help, because he cant speak.
Another thought could be...OP was on voicemail, attempted to put in password to retrieve voicemail...accidently dialled Baba
cry... hang up
put correct password in, this time without connecting to Baba in error...listen to voicemail.
End of voicemail.
What is on that voicemail that was so much more important then talking to Baba properly...get security on a wild goose chase looking for rampant intruders or something.
or simply, help me to help Reeva...I need help...this is a pigging emergency man!
Oh if you insist:
Remorse usually entails something along these lines...Shame, self-reproach, self-accusation...has OP demonstrated any? Nope...let me continue...guilt, compunction....anything ringing a bell?....nope...
How about a dictionary definition: Remorse. a noun. A deep and painful regret for wrongdoing.
OP has done nothing wrong...according to him, this "stuff" simply just happens...the most cursed blessed man on planet earth.
So according to OP himself, no remorse.
Do you really want me to go on? seriously? ;-)
My verdict is Murder with intent making it now 16.
16 Murder with Intent
5 Murder - no intent
2 Culpable Homicide
0 Acquittal
1 Not sure
Far from blaming himself, he blamed the victim: if only Reeva had let me know she was in the toilet or wtte.
Exactly...but somehow on our blinkered little path we have misunderstood this as remorse.
Remorse by Proxy perhaps?
Note to self: get a better grip of my language skills.
Where were you on the night of XXX.
At home watching television
Where you alone?
No, I was with a friend
Really, can you tell me the name of the friend so he or she can collaborate your evidence
Sorry, I can’t remember the name; I really wish I could so I could tell you!
It’s unthinkable that such a ridiculous situation would ever happen in an English court of law because no defence lawyer worth his fee is going to allow a defendant to get into such an injudicious situation that could ultimately undermine their defence.
But Oscar did it. With or without Roux he did it!!
And it was not just watching television, but a much more memory engraving situation which he described in great detail to the court. The court heard how fearing for his life he skidded to a halt in a parking lot. He was so upset he had to phone a friend to give him a lift home. All the detail was there, except for one thing, the name of the friend who could verify his story. Oscar had ‘forgotten’ it along with the name of another friend who drove him back to retrieve his car.
So, what a surprise, no witnesses, but of course it was Oscar the Icon who was relating the story so it must be true – mustn’t it? Surely he wouldn’t have made it all up for effect would he?
The sad thing is I don’t think in situations like this he has any real appreciation of just how idiotic he appears to the vast majority of people.
Just something I think is worth noting, without any inference as to why this might be.
You don't have to go on if you don't want to. Thanks for replying though.
But saying he has shown no signs of the above is based on what? If your perception of his lack of remorse is rooted in how he has behaved/what he has said in court and the handful of media stories since the shooting, then that still doesn't make it fact. How can you know he doesn't feel shame/guilt/deep regret etc? What would you need him to do to show evidence of these feelings?
I am minded of one of the times Uncle Arnold was wittering on about ‘poor’ Oscar.
He used the words, ‘Oscar is not in a good place right now’
Oh how I wish someone in the audience had replied, ‘no nor is Reeva thanks to him’
For me, I waited to hear the evidence.
Then I was shocked at what I heard, especially from OP.
Non of it has been backed up, non, nothing, nada, ziltch, diddlysquat...
OP was his own worst enemy in that stand...it left my mind wondering if anything I was going to hear from that point onwards was going to be factual or not.
And the more the white balloon brigade do insist that this rationale is thoroughly thought through, examined in microscopic cross sections, softly suffocated under white teddy bears....:o
My own personal logic has simply become more and more validated.
Something does not add up, and it all started when OP opened his mouth.
How about him saying in public, ‘I am so very sorry I shot and killed Reeva’
Until he acts like a human being and accepts the responsibility for what he has done he can shove all his pseudo grief up where the sun doesn’t shine.
Speaks volumes so I nominate this for best quote of the month
But, the message is very loud and clear all round the world...he has a life, he put himself in the place he is now...he is to blame.
Reeva has no life, she did not put herself in the place she is now...he is to blame.
People use "different words" as the White Balloon mob like to constantly chant...well so do these other people, all round the world, in many languages...the message is the same...He is the blame.
Show some remorse.
Eh...show it, speak it, feel it...normal human gestures, or am I from planet Zarg in thinking humans behave like this.
Animals are better at showing their true response/emotions then this....this...OP
enough of the excuses, how about you tell me, explain to me how YOU know for a fact that he has shown any remorse, what do you base that assumption on?
Calm........it's probably a wind up
Things are getting so protracted I am almost minded to think we have a Carl or Aimee interloper
Enjoy ;-)
:D:D
Time for fun to begin then...a real "Pistal" in our midst?...:D:D:D
Room needs ‘sweeping’
We need a Pist-o-Pologetic bug detector
Will the new broom do the trick? ;-)
But you've not said what he should actually do. How should he show it? What should he say? How should he show he feels it?
It's fine if you don't feel like answering.
I'm not trying to wind anyone up but clearly I seem to be doing just that, because the replies to my posts and the allusions to my posts are getting increasingly provoking- making repeated references to white balloons as though my thoughts, points and opinions can only come from someone so ridiculously infatuated with a celebrity that they have nothing better to do than stand on the courthouse steps with home made placards.
You seem to be saying that if we don't like or dislike OP then we will see things completely differently.
This is ridiculous - many of us are perfectly capable of looking at the evidence and weighing it up.
The stance that OP is guilty is not some 'gut reaction because we don't like his face'.
It's insulting.
A neutral person would look at the evidence and be pretty convinced of his guilt. In my opinion.
This is a good post.
OP doesn't have to 'please our tastes', he had to demonstrate some ordinary reactions, rather than the incessant 'not my fault, this has happened to me, I don't remember, it was an incident, this has made me put my life on hold, it wasn't my fault, it was Reeva's fault etc. etc.
His reaction has been one of calculated refusal to accept responsibility for something that is FACT. He killed Reeva Steenkamp, intent or not that's what he did.
How can proper remorse be shown by anyone who doesn't even admit, in any emotionally credible way, that he did it?
As for the wailing and crying and the puking (look at meeeee), all the experts I've heard say this doesn't indicate his guilt or innocence at all, and certainly doesn't signify honest 'remorse'.
He could be hamming and crying for himself, he could be crying for Reeva.
What makes me believe it's not for Reeva it that he doesn't 'take it on', what he did, and he takes 'nothing' on - even the bullet in Tashas was some magic self propelling one.
And we come back to - OP's concern is to save himself, he will lie and baffle and cry and twist and never honestly admit his culpability.
If you don't do that, you do not demonstrate remorse.
Remorse and repentance stem from honest acceptance of the deed after all.