It took me a while to decide to vote 'meh!' but I eventually settled on it. For some reason the episode just didn't get me interested. I was, incidentally completely spoiler-free for this episode.
The 'OMG they killed Danny' moment didn't get me interested in his fate. The scene with the keys didn't have the impact it could have simply because I was thinking all the way through 'he can still snap his fingers'. The reveal of the Cybermen didn't produce a WooHoo moment and I was completely underwhelmed by the eventual reveal of Missy's identity. I actually thought 'couldn't they have come up with a better/more original idea?'
Hopefully the second part will be better, otherwise this will become joint weakest finale (with Sound of Drums/Last of the Timelords) in my opinion.
Also (although they reset-buttoned it later) a lot of people were meant to have been cremated ALIVE in the Time War, I'm not seeing hundreds of 'too far' complaints about that. Even though it's similar to nuclear war, which is one of the most frightening things imaginable!
The scene with the keys didn't have the impact it could have simply because I was thinking all the way through 'he can still snap his fingers'..
Turned to my other half and said the same thing. Their response, "you don't normally talk during Doctor Who." Think that was a bad sign about that scene.
Also (although they reset-buttoned it later) a lot of people were meant to have been cremated ALIVE in the Time War, I'm not seeing hundreds of 'too far' complaints about that. Even though it's similar to nuclear war, which is one of the most frightening things imaginable!
Even New Who has been full of horrific concepts but often in the past they have been dressed up with lots of wacky silly stuff so no one seems to mind. Tonight's episode didn't bother with that and played things pretty much straight which is maybe why some are so upset by it.
The scene with the keys didn't have the impact it could have simply because I was thinking all the way through 'he can still snap his fingers'.
Maybe not if it's locked/double locked even after the finger snapping we have seen him use the key maybe the snap only works when the door is closed rather than locked
Turned to my other half and said the same thing. Their response, "you don't normally talk during Doctor Who." Think that was a bad sign about that scene.
I was thinking the same. But then it was revealed that the moment didn't really happen and the Doctor was seeing how far Clara would go.
Turned to my other half and said the same thing. Their response, "you don't normally talk during Doctor Who." Think that was a bad sign about that scene.
Has anyone thought (this was on another forum) that maybe it's just 'don't cremate them' because they're trying to turn people into Cybermen? Fairly useless if they've been burned to ashes!
To me, it's more probable that the screams Danny heard were fake, the little kid an illusion sucked from his subconscious and the threat of pain from cremation a scare story. The aim was to get Danny to accept deletion and let go, thus paving the way for Cyberisation. His body is probably in a dormant Cyberman waiting to be activated.
Maybe?
Moffat at last bringing some clout and controversy to proceedings! Easily one of the best episodes he's done since taking over. 'Dark' would be about right. Though people are going way way overboard in their reactions to that...
What made the episode stand out though, above everything else, was the performances. I keep saying 'oh this is Peter's best' every week but it really was this time. Outstanding!
All everyone needed to do was listen to the Doctor. He knew all that crap about death and cremation was a scam. It's the twisted mind of the Master combined with the sickness of the Cybermen.
Voted 'Excellent' as it was, on the whole, excellent.
Capaldi was at his absolute best and Michelle Gomez is a fantastic addition to the cast. I didn't like Seb much but that was a minor objection. The scene with the volcano and the keys was tremendous, and the final ten minutes were utterly thrilling.
The episode looked amazing. I loved the creepy tanks and the skeletons sat on their thrones submerged in sinister blue water.
Plus, so far at least, it actually made sense. I've watched it twice and no doubt I'll watch it again before next Saturday.
I honestly thought Missy was Romana at one point so the reveal did come as a bit of a surprise, even though people had speculated that Missy could be either Clara or the Master.
I'm so glad that we've seen the back of John Simm's travesty. Capaldi and Gomez can have as many episodes as they want together. The show is so lucky to be able to rely on such great talent!
To me, it's more probable that the screams Danny heard were fake, the little kid an illusion sucked from his subconscious and the threat of pain from cremation a scare story. The aim was to get Danny to accept deletion and let go, thus paving the way for Cyberisation. His body is probably in a dormant Cyberman waiting to be activated.
Maybe?
I think 'deletion' means 'cyberisation' too and everything was designed to get people to delete themselves into cyber bodies. Maybe Danny will actually end up as a Cyberman!
I think next week will see Danny become a Cyberman,he will inevitably find Clara and be about to DELETE her when he recognises her his internal struggle will result in a cyberman crying(for second time),and somehow destroying the other Cybermen.Ensuring love saves the day as usual
But Clara realizing Danny has gone for good will turn her back on adventures with the Dr and thus her departure.
I think next week will see Danny become a Cyberman,he will inevitably find Clara and be about to DELETE her when he recognises her his internal struggle will result in a cyberman crying(for second time),and somehow destroying the other Cybermen.Ensuring love saves the day as usual
But Clara realizing Danny has gone for good will turn her back on adventures with the Dr and thus her departure.
I honestly thought Missy was Romana at one point so the reveal did come as a bit of a surprise, even though people had speculated that Missy could be either Clara or the Master.
During the Time Lady speech, all my thoughts turned to Romana It somewhat threw me off The Master suddenly.
Well, that was different to anything we've had this season, by being truly intriguing.
Can't help thinking that a couple of things were rather clumsy, deliberate, attempts at misdirection, designed with the specific thought of "That'll confuse people when we show the spoiler/trailer" rather than because they genuinely added anything to the story.
Particularly liked the bit where Missy Claimed that her boss was The Doctor.
You just know that, up and down the country, Who fans were going "I KNEW it! I knew it!!!"
For a few seconds, at least.
Moffat does know at least one part of his audience very well.
But yeah, great episode.
It's almost like the writers for this series had been told to avoid any pre-existing DW canon and it'd left them floundering a little bit and this episode put us properly back in the DW universe.
I'm a little bit worried that it was a bit of a slow-burner and they've left DW with only 45 minutes to save the world next week.
Maybe episodes like this make a case for bring back 3 or 4 old-fashioned multi-part episodes per series?
I think I woke my dog up by laughing too loudly. I love moments like this that are built up for ages and then break, setting fandom alight in the process.
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That and mistress would have been a dead give away.
The 'OMG they killed Danny' moment didn't get me interested in his fate. The scene with the keys didn't have the impact it could have simply because I was thinking all the way through 'he can still snap his fingers'. The reveal of the Cybermen didn't produce a WooHoo moment and I was completely underwhelmed by the eventual reveal of Missy's identity. I actually thought 'couldn't they have come up with a better/more original idea?'
Hopefully the second part will be better, otherwise this will become joint weakest finale (with Sound of Drums/Last of the Timelords) in my opinion.
He produced Hollaback Girl. He gets a free pass forever
Agreed. Its bananas.
Turned to my other half and said the same thing. Their response, "you don't normally talk during Doctor Who." Think that was a bad sign about that scene.
And 4 tracks on Miley Cyrus' Bangerz.
This is a good thing. And I'll argue the toss to those that disagree ;-)
Even New Who has been full of horrific concepts but often in the past they have been dressed up with lots of wacky silly stuff so no one seems to mind. Tonight's episode didn't bother with that and played things pretty much straight which is maybe why some are so upset by it.
Maybe not if it's locked/double locked even after the finger snapping we have seen him use the key maybe the snap only works when the door is closed rather than locked
I was thinking the same. But then it was revealed that the moment didn't really happen and the Doctor was seeing how far Clara would go.
So that messed up the timeline.
Also we could have a long discussion about the UNIT dating controversy.
I think that originally that all the original series UNIT stories were supposed to take place in the near future (1980's).
However later stores Mawdryn Undead suggests that the UNIT stories took place in the 1970's (in line with when the episodes were aired).
So Invasion is set before the tenth planet which was in 1986.
However a group of Cybermen from the future attempted to change history by destroying earth in 1985.
There was another attack in 1988 in relation to the Silver Nemesis.
The rest of the Cybermen stories are set in the future with the exception of the Cybus Cybermen from the parallel universe.
We don't yet know where the present ones come from.
To me, it's more probable that the screams Danny heard were fake, the little kid an illusion sucked from his subconscious and the threat of pain from cremation a scare story. The aim was to get Danny to accept deletion and let go, thus paving the way for Cyberisation. His body is probably in a dormant Cyberman waiting to be activated.
Maybe?
Thanks, it's been a while since I've read the Invasion (never watched it) and seen some of the others...
What made the episode stand out though, above everything else, was the performances. I keep saying 'oh this is Peter's best' every week but it really was this time. Outstanding!
All everyone needed to do was listen to the Doctor. He knew all that crap about death and cremation was a scam. It's the twisted mind of the Master combined with the sickness of the Cybermen.
Capaldi was at his absolute best and Michelle Gomez is a fantastic addition to the cast. I didn't like Seb much but that was a minor objection. The scene with the volcano and the keys was tremendous, and the final ten minutes were utterly thrilling.
The episode looked amazing. I loved the creepy tanks and the skeletons sat on their thrones submerged in sinister blue water.
Plus, so far at least, it actually made sense. I've watched it twice and no doubt I'll watch it again before next Saturday.
I honestly thought Missy was Romana at one point so the reveal did come as a bit of a surprise, even though people had speculated that Missy could be either Clara or the Master.
I'm so glad that we've seen the back of John Simm's travesty. Capaldi and Gomez can have as many episodes as they want together. The show is so lucky to be able to rely on such great talent!
I think 'deletion' means 'cyberisation' too and everything was designed to get people to delete themselves into cyber bodies. Maybe Danny will actually end up as a Cyberman!
But Clara realizing Danny has gone for good will turn her back on adventures with the Dr and thus her departure.
shes in Christmas special aint she
During the Time Lady speech, all my thoughts turned to Romana
Incidentally, worth it for this reaction gif.
Can't help thinking that a couple of things were rather clumsy, deliberate, attempts at misdirection, designed with the specific thought of "That'll confuse people when we show the spoiler/trailer" rather than because they genuinely added anything to the story.
Particularly liked the bit where Missy Claimed that her boss was The Doctor.
You just know that, up and down the country, Who fans were going "I KNEW it! I knew it!!!"
For a few seconds, at least.
Moffat does know at least one part of his audience very well.
But yeah, great episode.
It's almost like the writers for this series had been told to avoid any pre-existing DW canon and it'd left them floundering a little bit and this episode put us properly back in the DW universe.
I'm a little bit worried that it was a bit of a slow-burner and they've left DW with only 45 minutes to save the world next week.
Maybe episodes like this make a case for bring back 3 or 4 old-fashioned multi-part episodes per series?
I have read that's it's a hour next week I hope it's true 15 mins extra could help a lot