Enders: 5.69m (28.5%)
HIGNFY: 3.71m (16.0%)
One Show: 3.44m (17.8%)
So HIGNFY was boosted by the Adele special. But despite being an old format its still pulling in 4m+ in consolidated ratings facing tough opposition. Viewers are loyal to this show.
Corontion Street is still pulling down Emmerdale. I bet if Katie Oates improves Corrie and ratings for Corrie rise, so will Emmerdale.
Stuart Blackburn is leaving Corrie in its weakest position ever. Last year it only got 6.6m on Chrostmas Day. This year it'll be low 6m.
A far cry from 2011 when it got 9.4m on Christmas Day.
The soaps are in a poor state, as one starts to falter it pulls the others down. Constant clashes, increased episode numbers and out of slot shifts are pulling the genre apart.
I don't see that at all. The fact that some show's have late night slots just goes to show how strong the schedule is. Catherine Tate's Nan won't be a major ratings puller. It's not the best slot but I'd prefer it at 10.30 than it stinking out a 9pm slot. Same with Not Going Out - last year it was totally inappropriate at 9.30 on Xmas Eve, it's never been a major ratings puller. 10.45 for it is fine. It's not like there's nothing on at 9pm, there is quality, popular stuff every day.
Agree that Mrs Brown is late on NYD, but it just shows how strong the schedule is. The BBC1 NYD schedule is pretty mighty with Wreck It Ralph/EE/Billionaire Boy/EE/Dickensian/Sherlock/Mrs Brown.
I agree on paper it looks mighty strong, unless Dickensian flops (so unlikely given those who want to watch a schedule that isn't soap, soap and a YBF rpt) will watch all of BBC1 that night.
The soaps are in a poor state, as one starts to falter it pulls the others down. Constant clashes, increased episode numbers and out of slot shifts are pulling the genre apart.
But the quality is the main drive for the downtrend. But these top bosses do not seem to care. If Corrie dies, ITV will be left with a weak schedule all year round.
Corrie is a vital support for ITV, but once that's gone, they'll likely just be another Ch4 with a few big ratings scattered here and there.
I agree on paper it looks mighty strong, unless Dickensian flops (so unlikely given those who want to watch a schedule that isn't soap, soap and a YBF rpt) will watch all of BBC1 that night.
Dickensian is a risk but it's scheduled well IMO - in good slots between high rating shows. It also doesn't face particularly tough competition until episode 5.
EP 1 - Boxing Day 7.30pm (between Still Open All Hours and EastEnders - against Surprise Surprise)
EP 2 - Boxing Day 8.30pm (between EE and And Then There Were None - against Peter and Wendy)
EP 3 - Sunday 27th 7.30pm (between Countryfile and Still Open All Hours - against Jekyll and Hyde)
EP 4 - Sunday 27th 8.30pm (between Still Open All Hours and And Then There Were None - against Harry Price: Ghost Hunter)
EP 5 - New Year's Day 8.30pm (between EastEnders and Sherlock - against Corrie).
Dickensian is a risk but it's scheduled well IMO - in good slots between high rating shows. It also doesn't face particularly tough competition until episode 5.
EP 1 - Boxing Day 7.30pm (between Still Open All Hours and EastEnders - against Surprise Surprise)
EP 2 - Boxing Day 8.30pm (between EE and And Then There Were None - against Peter and Wendy)
EP 3 - Sunday 27th 7.30pm (between Countryfile and Still Open All Hours - against Jekyll and Hyde)
EP 4 - Sunday 27th 8.30pm (between Still Open All Hours and And Then There Were None - against Harry Price: Ghost Hunter)
EP 5 - New Year's Day 8.30pm (between EastEnders and Sherlock - against Corrie).
They've scheduled it very well. It should certainly get sampled in those slots. I expect it would launch well anyway so the ratings should be excellent given how it has been scheduled. Where do you think they'll schedule it regularly in January? I'd go for Sunday at 7.30pm (with Still Open All Hours at 7pm). Not sure where I'd put a possible second episode though.
ITV aren't putting up any kind of fight against it. Of the competition for the first four episodes I'd say the only one that could potentially be over 4m is Peter & Wendy (with Surprise Surprise around 3/4m). Even then I'm hoping that gets moved earlier as it looks too late for what it is. Like I said last night, ITV could make their schedule look better than it does right now with some scheduling tweaks.
Where do you think they'll schedule it regularly in January? I'd go for Sunday at 7.30pm (with Still Open All Hours at 7pm). Not sure where I'd put a possible second episode though.
Sunday with Countryfile/SOAH/Dickensian/Call the Midwife/War and Peace sounds quite likely. A second episode I guess would be Wednesday or Thursday between 8 and 9, paired up with another 30 min show, or a 90 min drama from 8.30.
Sunday with Countryfile/SOAH/Dickensian/Call the Midwife/War and Peace sounds quite likely. A second episode I guess would be Wednesday or Thursday between 8 and 9, paired up with another 30 min show, or a 90 min drama from 8.30.
Would a Saturday and Sunday showing at 7.30pm work ?
Saturdays teamed up with The Voice and Sunday team up with SOAH
But the quality is the main drive for the downtrend. But these top bosses do not seem to care. If Corrie dies, ITV will be left with a weak schedule all year round.
Corrie is a vital support for ITV, but once that's gone, they'll likely just be another Ch4 with a few big ratings scattered here and there.
I can't see ITV ditching the soap, I know it's well down, but so is its big BBC One rival, which fell below 5 million this week. I think ITV will possibly look to ditching the Friday 8.30 episode, which is the weakest, and try to improve the storyline. If this fails and ratings continue to fall, I can see by the end of the decade the soap being moved further back in the evening. I can foresee a situation by 2019, if CS drops below 4 million, that ITV will move its news block back to 5.00 and a soap hour at 6.00. ( If Home and Away and Neighbours are still around, these being moved back half an hour on Channel 5 is the likely outcome).
Sunday with Countryfile/SOAH/Dickensian/Call the Midwife/War and Peace sounds quite likely. A second episode I guess would be Wednesday or Thursday between 8 and 9, paired up with another 30 min show, or a 90 min drama from 8.30.
Which looks to be a pretty deadly combination, particularly it will attract the older audience and keep them all night.
ITV will just fop against that, escpcially if they put a nig drama at 9pm and give it poor lead in.
If CS drops below four million, then the majority of other shows will too, so no point moving it out of primetime.
Though it could act as a drag against other shows. In recent years the overkill, sheer misery of the plotlines and moves around the schedule have really hit the soaps. Entertainment formats like SCD and BGT are pulling in 3 million more viewers. I think it is time both BBC One and ITV took a hard look at their soaps and realised they're no longer such a big force and look back to why they were so popular in the past.
I can't see ITV ditching the soap, I know it's well down, but so is its big BBC One rival, which fell below 5 million this week. I think ITV will possibly look to ditching the Friday 8.30 episode, which is the weakest, and try to improve the storyline. If this fails and ratings continue to fall, I can see by the end of the decade the soap being moved further back in the evening. I can foresee a situation by 2019, if CS drops below 4 million, that ITV will move its news block back to 5.00 and a soap hour at 6.00. ( If Home and Away and Neighbours are still around, these being moved back half an hour on Channel 5 is the likely outcome).
Yes I agree, I think this is inevitable, but not for about 5 years. I personally think CS would suit the old Crossroads slot at 6:30, not sure where ED would go, if it were to survive, either before the news, mid afternoon or lunchtime to compete with Doctors. Where would EE go? Perhaps in the 5:30 slot, or maybe straight after Doctors, it would certainly boost daytime. It's all if's and but's. It would be nice to have the evening schedule clear of soaps. I think when itv eventually has a foreign take over, the soaps will become less relevant to the channel.
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And that had already been repeated several times as well.
So HIGNFY was boosted by the Adele special. But despite being an old format its still pulling in 4m+ in consolidated ratings facing tough opposition. Viewers are loyal to this show.
The soaps are in a poor state, as one starts to falter it pulls the others down. Constant clashes, increased episode numbers and out of slot shifts are pulling the genre apart.
I agree on paper it looks mighty strong, unless Dickensian flops (so unlikely given those who want to watch a schedule that isn't soap, soap and a YBF rpt) will watch all of BBC1 that night.
But the quality is the main drive for the downtrend. But these top bosses do not seem to care. If Corrie dies, ITV will be left with a weak schedule all year round.
Corrie is a vital support for ITV, but once that's gone, they'll likely just be another Ch4 with a few big ratings scattered here and there.
CORONATION STREET (7.30pm) 6.76m/34.5% (+1 110k/0.5%)
CORONATION STREET (8.30pm) 6.01m/28.9% (+1 98k/0.4%)
EASTENDERS 5.69m/28.5% (BBC3 216k/1.1%)
EMMERDALE 5.73m/29.7% (+1 112k/0.6%)
DOCTORS 1.23m/17.1%
HOLLYOAKS (C4) 757k/4.2% (+1 27k/0.1%)
HOLLYOAKS (E4) 515k/2.7% (+1 95k/0.5%)
NEIGHBOURS (1.45pm) 697k/9.7%
NEIGHBOURS (5.30pm) 615k/4.0%
HOME AND AWAY (1.15pm) 236k/3.3%
HOME AND AWAY (6pm) 498k/2.9%
HOME AND AWAY (5*) 326k/1.8%
2014 :
CORONATION STREET (7.30pm) 6.96m/35.1% (+1 108k/0.5%)
CORONATION STREET (8.30pm) 6.97m/32.6% (+1 157k/0.7%)
EASTENDERS 6.14m/28.8% (BBC3 343k/2.1%)
EMMERDALE 5.77m/31.0% (+1 122k/0.6%)
DOCTORS 1.48m/22.8%
HOLLYOAKS (C4) 788k/4.4%
HOLLYOAKS (E4) 649k/3.5% (+1 113k/0.5%)
NEIGHBOURS (1.45pm) 509k/7.8%
NEIGHBOURS (5.30pm) 798k/5.3%
HOME AND AWAY (1.15pm) 210k/3.0%
HOME AND AWAY (6pm) 581k/3.4%
HOME AND AWAY (5*) 371k/2.1%
Interesting that despite the problems that Eastenders is having, it is a near identical share for 2014 but around 500k viewers less.
Dickensian is a risk but it's scheduled well IMO - in good slots between high rating shows. It also doesn't face particularly tough competition until episode 5.
EP 1 - Boxing Day 7.30pm (between Still Open All Hours and EastEnders - against Surprise Surprise)
EP 2 - Boxing Day 8.30pm (between EE and And Then There Were None - against Peter and Wendy)
EP 3 - Sunday 27th 7.30pm (between Countryfile and Still Open All Hours - against Jekyll and Hyde)
EP 4 - Sunday 27th 8.30pm (between Still Open All Hours and And Then There Were None - against Harry Price: Ghost Hunter)
EP 5 - New Year's Day 8.30pm (between EastEnders and Sherlock - against Corrie).
They've scheduled it very well. It should certainly get sampled in those slots. I expect it would launch well anyway so the ratings should be excellent given how it has been scheduled. Where do you think they'll schedule it regularly in January? I'd go for Sunday at 7.30pm (with Still Open All Hours at 7pm). Not sure where I'd put a possible second episode though.
ITV aren't putting up any kind of fight against it. Of the competition for the first four episodes I'd say the only one that could potentially be over 4m is Peter & Wendy (with Surprise Surprise around 3/4m). Even then I'm hoping that gets moved earlier as it looks too late for what it is. Like I said last night, ITV could make their schedule look better than it does right now with some scheduling tweaks.
it wasn't a contribution. It was a reply to your comment about eastenders which in your eyes you can't say a bad word about it.
Thanks Dancc.
EastEnders back to under 6m on Friday. Looks almost as tired as HIGNFY.
Sunday with Countryfile/SOAH/Dickensian/Call the Midwife/War and Peace sounds quite likely. A second episode I guess would be Wednesday or Thursday between 8 and 9, paired up with another 30 min show, or a 90 min drama from 8.30.
Would a Saturday and Sunday showing at 7.30pm work ?
Saturdays teamed up with The Voice and Sunday team up with SOAH
Quick search and I can't find it.
If CS drops below four million, then the majority of other shows will too, so no point moving it out of primetime.
Which looks to be a pretty deadly combination, particularly it will attract the older audience and keep them all night.
ITV will just fop against that, escpcially if they put a nig drama at 9pm and give it poor lead in.
The second episode of cs down almost a million on last year and it's share almost identical to ee
Thanks for trying. I doubt it rated that highly. I'd expect a much better rating for todays doubles match on BBC1 though
A quick call to Mr Whittless will sort it !!
Yes I agree, I think this is inevitable, but not for about 5 years. I personally think CS would suit the old Crossroads slot at 6:30, not sure where ED would go, if it were to survive, either before the news, mid afternoon or lunchtime to compete with Doctors. Where would EE go? Perhaps in the 5:30 slot, or maybe straight after Doctors, it would certainly boost daytime. It's all if's and but's. It would be nice to have the evening schedule clear of soaps. I think when itv eventually has a foreign take over, the soaps will become less relevant to the channel.