The (Notts.) force defines misogyny hate crime as:
"Incidents against women that are motivated by an attitude of a man towards a woman and includes behaviour targeted towards a woman by men simply because they are a woman."
Seems a little discriminatory? Are women incapable of harassment of men? Surely the sexes should be interchangeable in the above?
The BBC woman 'harassed' was trolled with the '**** her right in the pussy' catchphrase that people have been shouting in live broadcasts for a while now at male and female news reporters. It won't take a decent brief long to rip apart the Nottingham plod's trumped up charges.
i've got no idea where you're coming from, I haven't even mentioned "poor white males" in the posts i've posted in the last few minutes. I was merely talking about different terms that have been used and are being used currently.....
I really don't understand you at this moment in time, you really sound overly sensitive for some reason.
Ah the old "over sensitive" card. I think I have made myself very clear your remarks about not hearing the word chauvinistic but over hearing misogynistic was as wafer thin as it could be.
The definition of what constitutes a misogynistic hate crime by Nottinghamshire Police (disclaimer: I am a Nottinghamshire resident so I am covered by this) is very vague. Technically, disagreeing with a woman or being inept when dating can now be classified under the new hate crime rules.
I would not be surprised if one of the targets of this new ruling is the Justice for Men and Boys (and the women who love them) political party whose roots are in Nottinghamshire.
This is a dangerous and Orwellian idea that has been implemented by the Chief Constable of Nottinghamshire Police which will be open to abuse and further cause a gender divide in society.
Well Gareth, please highlight the prosecution when this actually happens (but it won't).
Having said that, being 'inept' at dating could cover something quite serious so perhaps that's what you're thinking.
Well Gareth, please highlight when this actually happens (but it won't).
I'm still confused how "being inept at dating" could be a hate crime. Unless he is messaging women abuse when they don't reply or refuse to send pussy pics I don't see how it can be.
Please stop with your nonsense. You need a major rethink about your attitudes to women and that chip on your shoulder and I feel you may enjoy life more fully if you did this.
You might think it is nonsense, but then I'd have thought this was nonsense if it didn't happen:
Would that have ever went to court if the complainer was male?
Of course it is nonsense and no right minded person would agree that was an apt course of action. That doesn't mean that every woman who complains about abuse is lying. Much as you would like it be.
The rules on what constitutes a misogynistic hate crime are very vague, if you genuinely believe that people will not abuse it for their own gain then you are being very naive. Indeed, me disagreeing with you could now constitute a hate crime (not a joke)!
You either need to grow up or get help.
You're comments, here and elsewhere, are consistently ridiculous.
I'm still confused how "being inept at dating" could be a hate crime. Unless he is messaging women abuse when they don't reply or refuse to send pussy pics I don't see how it can be.
Talking to a woman who takes what you say the wrong way now constitutes a hate crime under the vague rules implemented by Nottinghamshire Police. This is what is meant by being "inept at dating" because such men ain't gonna be smooth talkers! A chat-up line could now be considered a hate crime. Not paying for a date in full could now be considered a hate crime. And yes, such vague rules can be abused for censorship, blackmail or person gain - see anti-terrorism laws.
Ah the old "over sensitive" card. I think I have made myself very clear your remarks about not hearing the word chauvinistic but over hearing misogynistic was as wafer thin as it could be.
well yes! You seem to be seeing things in my posts that aren't there for some reason, and yes, you are coming across as overly sensitive.
And yes, I find the overuse of the word mysogynistic really tedious, and makes some women out to be overly precious.....
I think we all see sexism generally and men being chauvinistic, but real mysogyny....no, I don't think so. Obviously we'll have to agree to disagree.
You're comments, here and elsewhere, are consistently ridiculous.
I'd suggest ignoring the gun crime in the city of Nottingham and focusing on the monsters known as wolf whistlers is ridiculous. Nottinghamshire Police need to get their priorities right.
Talking to a woman who takes what you say the wrong way now constitutes a hate crime under the vague rules implemented by Nottinghamshire Police. This is what is meant by being "inept at dating" because such men ain't gonna be smooth talkers! A chat-up line could now be considered a hate crime. Not paying for a date in full could now be considered a hate crime. And yes, such vague rules can be abused for censorship, blackmail or person gain - see anti-terrorism laws.
If 'hate crime' then it must be applied equally to both genders otherwise as mentioned before it's discriminatory. Or are you saying women are completely incapable of committing such an 'offence'? If so, then that's discriminatory.
I'd suggest ignoring the gun crime in the city of Nottingham and focusing on the monsters known as wolf whistlers is ridiculous. Nottinghamshire Police need to get their priorities right.
Yes, because as everyone knows.....whistling at a woman or a woman whistling at a man ( does happen y'know!) is now considered a hate crime..............you really can't make it up, just gets better and better.....
I wonder how that will play out? A woman walks into a pólice station and asks to spreak to an officer to inform them that whilst on their way to work, they were whistled at.............what will happen then? Will the man be chased down the street and questioned and a case tried to be put forward at a later date?.......
Or a man goes into the police station and speaks to an officer to inform him that whilst he was cleaning windows, a woman walked past his ladder and whistled and shouted out "hey sexy" or something similar.....would the woman then be chased down the street, and duly questioned......
And whilst men and women are getting arrested due to whistling at each other, the gun crime gets ignored and put on the backburner....^_^
I'd suggest ignoring the gun crime in the city of Nottingham and focusing on the monsters known as wolf whistlers is ridiculous. Nottinghamshire Police need to get their priorities right.
So the police are actually ignoring gun crime in Nottingham?
Can you back this up?
You seem very good at writing things that don't stand up to scrutiny.
Of course it is nonsense and no right minded person would agree that was an apt course of action. That doesn't mean that every woman who complains about abuse is lying. Much as you would like it be.
Would those cases I have shown gone to court if the accused was female and the victim male?
I'd suggest ignoring the gun crime in the city of Nottingham and focusing on the monsters known as wolf whistlers is ridiculous. Nottinghamshire Police need to get their priorities right.
We continually hear about the police being stretched and under resourced and then they devote resources to investigate wolf whistling and other petty he-said she said 'crimes'. I hope the tax payers in Nottingham are paying attention next time they need the law and they give out some excuse for not being there.
We continually hear about the police being stretched and under resourced and then they devote resources to investigate wolf whistling and other petty he-said she said 'crimes'. I hope the tax payers in Nottingham are paying attention next time they need the law and they give out some excuse for not being there.
I would imagine a lot of hate crime can come down to s/he said, s/he said in relation to colour, sexuality, race, disability etc. Should the police also ignore those and tell the victims to go away?
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The BBC woman 'harassed' was trolled with the '**** her right in the pussy' catchphrase that people have been shouting in live broadcasts for a while now at male and female news reporters. It won't take a decent brief long to rip apart the Nottingham plod's trumped up charges.
That's to do with domestic abuse, not 'hate crime'.
Ah the old "over sensitive" card. I think I have made myself very clear your remarks about not hearing the word chauvinistic but over hearing misogynistic was as wafer thin as it could be.
I'm aware but it's not about domestic abuse which you have used to further your "women are worse" agenda.
Well Gareth, please highlight the prosecution when this actually happens (but it won't).
Having said that, being 'inept' at dating could cover something quite serious so perhaps that's what you're thinking.
I'm still confused how "being inept at dating" could be a hate crime. Unless he is messaging women abuse when they don't reply or refuse to send pussy pics I don't see how it can be.
You might think it is nonsense, but then I'd have thought this was nonsense if it didn't happen:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/man-who-must-notify-police-24-hours-before-having-sex-threatens-hunger-strike-to-protest-unlawful-a7110801.html
And then this case:
http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/07/london-commuter-put-on-trial-for-sex-assault-despite-no-evidence-that-it-happened-5667116/
Would that have ever went to court if the complainer was male?
Of course it is nonsense and no right minded person would agree that was an apt course of action. That doesn't mean that every woman who complains about abuse is lying. Much as you would like it be.
Do you need to start mixing with different people?
You're comments, here and elsewhere, are consistently ridiculous.
well yes! You seem to be seeing things in my posts that aren't there for some reason, and yes, you are coming across as overly sensitive.
And yes, I find the overuse of the word mysogynistic really tedious, and makes some women out to be overly precious.....
I think we all see sexism generally and men being chauvinistic, but real mysogyny....no, I don't think so. Obviously we'll have to agree to disagree.
Please provide a rational explanation of this.
Yes, because as everyone knows.....whistling at a woman or a woman whistling at a man ( does happen y'know!) is now considered a hate crime..............you really can't make it up, just gets better and better.....
I wonder how that will play out? A woman walks into a pólice station and asks to spreak to an officer to inform them that whilst on their way to work, they were whistled at.............what will happen then? Will the man be chased down the street and questioned and a case tried to be put forward at a later date?.......
Or a man goes into the police station and speaks to an officer to inform him that whilst he was cleaning windows, a woman walked past his ladder and whistled and shouted out "hey sexy" or something similar.....would the woman then be chased down the street, and duly questioned......
And whilst men and women are getting arrested due to whistling at each other, the gun crime gets ignored and put on the backburner....^_^
So the police are actually ignoring gun crime in Nottingham?
Can you back this up?
You seem very good at writing things that don't stand up to scrutiny.
Would those cases I have shown gone to court if the accused was female and the victim male?
He won't be able to but you may get 4 or 5 wordy sentences that don't make any sense that he's got off the net somewhere.
I'm pretty sure TGHE is straight.
I remember the second case well. It was thrown out at court but not after the man had gone through a year of hell.
Would solve so many problems
We continually hear about the police being stretched and under resourced and then they devote resources to investigate wolf whistling and other petty he-said she said 'crimes'. I hope the tax payers in Nottingham are paying attention next time they need the law and they give out some excuse for not being there.
I would imagine a lot of hate crime can come down to s/he said, s/he said in relation to colour, sexuality, race, disability etc. Should the police also ignore those and tell the victims to go away?