Well ok, but I disagree with the disparaging way the Over 55s are referred to and that somehow if a show attracts a particular demo it somehow diminishes the success of a show. They (the Over 55s) matter too don't they. Strictly is a huge success because it has broad appeal. Nothing should be taken away from the success story that is BBC Strictly.
I am confident that LIS will be a hit. It will probably start at around 6-7 million but it will build from there. All the ingredients are there. Take That music, Gary (credible musician, composer, singer and performer), our Graham and Mel. If they get the tone right and the feel (aka Strictly) then it will do well and could be a returner. The BBC really had to work hard for us to fall for The Voice. I'm not sure we completely did, did we?
Well strangely enough many did when it was on the BBC. The love for it seems to have somewhat declined now its moving channels. I'd hazard a guess you won't be watching now its not BBC The Voice...but ITV The Voice!?
The BBC has broad appeal across the board. It provides something for everyone. I think your (like H's) suggestion that the BBC only appeals to oldies is inaccurate and unfair. LIS could be the surprise hit of early 2017.
Never have I said BBC1 only appeals to older viewers. EastEnders, The Apprective, GBBO shows that it doesn't.
But....a large chuck of its output, is heavily skewed towards older viewers, more so than ITV despite their number of old skewing dramas. This therefore allows BBC1 to have solid ratings even against 15-20m for BGT or TXF. During those big shows appealing to all ages, BBC1 still held with 3-4m. Those 3-4m are loyal older viewers who will watch most BBC output.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, it shows channel loyalty, but that channel loyalty also is aided by the BEEB's lack of adverts (as well as dependable solid schedule). Its the safer choice over the other channels. Just look at how many on this forum won't watch ITV or Ch4 over Christmas Day because it has adverts. Therefore BBC1 is the default option for them.
I get the ban amnesty. We don't send people to prison for life for minor assaults or a burglary, for example, eventually once they've done their time they're free to live in society again hopefully reformed. Same applies here, I guess.
Well strangely enough many did when it was on the BBC. The love for it seems to have somewhat declined now its moving channels. I'd hazard a guess you won't be watching now its not BBC The Voice...but ITV The Voice!?
The Voice's ratings have declined on BBC One since its first series. Even that series declined once it got to the lives stages. So I don't think it's true that people have all of a sudden fallen out of love with it and that it has benefitted from a default audience on BBC One.
Never have I said BBC1 only appeals to older viewers. EastEnders, The Apprective, GBBO shows that it doesn't.
But....a large chuck of its output, is heavily skewed towards older viewers, more so than ITV despite their number of old skewing dramas. This therefore allows BBC1 to have solid ratings even against 15-20m for BGT or TXF. During those big shows appealing to all ages, BBC1 still held with 3-4m. Those 3-4m are loyal older viewers who will watch most BBC output.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, it shows channel loyalty, but that channel loyalty also is aided by the BEEB's lack of adverts (as well as dependable solid schedule). Its the safer choice over the other channels. Just look at how many on this forum won't watch ITV or Ch4 over Christmas Day because it has adverts. Therefore BBC1 is the default option for them.
We can't put ITV's struggles down entirely to the fact the BBC don't have adverts. Yes, going by a lot of the comments online you'd think everyone hated them, but just a few weeks ago, I'm a Celebrity got 10.5m. I think the general viewing public aren't that bothered by adverts, not least because you can skip them (though that's no use to ITV).
With regards to the love for The Voice declining as it's moving channels, I think that was happening anyway after they appointed Paloma Faith and Boy George as the coaches last series - I think they switched people off more than the fact it was going to be the last series on BBC1. It wasn't the same as them announcing it was going to be axed at the end of the series, it was just moving channels. Yes, there are naturally going to be a few viewers who will refuse to watch the show now it's on ITV but that doesn't make up a huge amount of its audience. Mind you, I could be wrong, if The Voice takes a huge hit on ITV and doesn't find a new audience.
There are a few people on these forums & social media who think ITV is beneath them, but again that doesn't make up a huge amount.
The Voice's ratings have declined on BBC One since its first series. Even that series declined once it got to the lives stages. So I don't think it's true that people have all of a sudden fallen out of love with it and that it has benefitted from a default audience on BBC One.
Agree. It's prejudging a situation that has not occurred yet and a faslehood TVUK has not even aired on ITV as yet. You can't predict, anything about the love for TVUK falling due to channel changing.
It's an opinion.
Now GBBO has had outcry, upset, the forms have had five six or seven threads running re upset, as GBBO feels a very BBC show. To be honest TVUK has always felt a show that could be on any channel, and is around the world.
What " did" cause a lot of loss of love for TVUK was Sir Tom being replaced by Boy George last year. It was wrong, it was like replacing the TARDIS in Doctor Who.
How will TVUK do on ITV? We do not know but will in January.
I think, it will do better than XF.
The clash with Let it shine will damage it.
It will start quite high in the ratings.
The proof will be holding onto viewers,
My worry is they will make it like the other show we can't mention too often.
They've only lifted Hassaan as far as I can tell. It was probably due to the great campaign that many posters did.
I'm not sure any campaign had much to do with it. I heard about the ban amnesty and sent them a message, and luckily they were willing to forget everything that happened previously and... here I am.
Barlow is detested by many Guardianistas for being 'a Tory' and a 'tax-dodger'. Take That have a narrow appeal and pop music on TV seems like a novel idea to Millennials. I do agree with you on the point about getting the tone and core right.
He's still hated less than Piers Morgan and Britain's Got Talent didn't suffer under him. I know they aren't comparable but still...
The tax-dodging reports were years ago, so I don't know why people (this isn't directed at yourself) continue to bring it up. He wasn't massively popular on The X Factor but that's because he wasn't the right personality for it. In terms of giving critique I didn't really have an issue with him, and Let it Shine might be better suited to him.
At the same time I struggle to see if Let it Shine will have mass appeal.
I get the ban amnesty. We don't send people to prison for life for minor assaults or a burglary, for example, eventually once they've done their time they're free to live in society again hopefully reformed. Same applies here, I guess.
It came at the right time because the possibility of me ever getting back on here was becoming hopeless day after day. But I'm back and I'm definitely not leaving again!
Agree. It's prejudging a situation that has not occurred yet and a faslehood TVUK has not even aired on ITV as yet. You can't predict, anything about the love for TVUK falling due to channel changing.
It's an opinion.
Now GBBO has had outcry, upset, the forms have had five six or seven threads running re upset, as GBBO feels a very BBC show. To be honest TVUK has always felt a show that could be on any channel, and is around the world.
What " did" cause a lot of loss of love for TVUK was Sir Tom being replaced by Boy George last year. It was wrong, it was like replacing the TARDIS in Doctor Who.
How will TVUK do on ITV? We do not know but will in January.
I think, it will do better than XF.
The clash with Let it shine will damage it.
It will start quite high in the ratings.
The proof will be holding onto viewers,
My worry is they will make it like the other show we can't mention too often.
Why would they make it like X Factor? ITV have no interest in having two identical shows which will damage each other, they want shows that are similar but compliment each other (like Corrie and Emmerdale for example). As I've said before, The Voice will probably appeal to an older audience than XF.
Clearly ITV are hoping to get the best of both worlds.
BBC1
14:25 - Film: The Wizard of Oz (R): 8.28m
16:05 - Daffy Duck: 9.80m
16:20 - The Box of Delights (R) Week's average: 7.29m
17:20 - Jim'll Fix It: 8.51m 18:00 - News
18:20 - Film: Mr Mum (Premiere): 8.47m
19:50 - Childwatch Update: 6.93m
20:00 - The Two Ronnies (R): 11.69m 21:00 - News
21:20 - Dallas: 10.63m
22:10 - Wogan Week's average: 9.56m
22:45 - Christmas Eve with Val Doonican: 6.98m
ITV
16:15 - Supergran: 6.38m
17:15 - Blockbusters Week's average: 7.89m 17:45 - News 18:00 - Regional News
18:35 - Crossroads Week's average: 11.20m
19:00 - This Is Your Life: Gary Wilmot: 12.08m
19:30 - Coronation Street: 13.85m
20:00 - Jim Davidson in Germany: 9.52m
21:00 - Film: The Trouble With Harry (Premiere): 6.63m 22:45 - News
23:00 - Fresh Fields Special (R): 7.39m
BBC2
21:00-22:50 - Season's Greetings: 3.55m
Channel 4
23:45-00:45 - Blue Suede Shoes (R): 1.90m
Friday 26 December 1986:
BBC1
10:30-12:45 - Film: Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (R): 5.96m
13:30 - Film: The Guns of Navarone (R): 7.84m
16:00 - Disney Time: 10.72m
16:45 - Final Score: 9.69m
17:05 - Blankety Blank: 9.58m
17:40 - Barnum: 8.26m (18:50-19:00 - News)
19:45 - 'Allo 'Allo!: 14.81m
20:30 - Bergerac: 13.22m 22:00 - News
22:15 - Film: The Verdict (Premiere) Below 5.96m
ITV
14:10 - Film: 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (R): 6.15m
16:30 - Name That Tune Special: 7.83m 17:00 - News and Sport
17:15 - Film: The Spy Who Loved Me (R): 14.79m
19:30 - Fire and Ice: 12.67m
20:30 - A Christmas Night of 100 Stars: 11.55m (21:45-22:00 - News)
23:15 - Film: Airplane II: the Sequel (Premiere): 8.85m
BBC1
14:25 - Film: The Wizard of Oz (R): 8.28m
16:05 - Daffy Duck: 9.80m
16:20 - The Box of Delights (R) Week's average: 7.29m
17:20 - Jim'll Fix It: 8.51m 18:00 - News
18:20 - Film: Mr Mum (Premiere): 8.47m
19:50 - Childwatch Update: 6.93m
20:00 - The Two Ronnies (R): 11.69m 21:00 - News
21:20 - Dallas: 10.63m
22:10 - Wogan Week's average: 9.56m
22:45 - Christmas Eve with Val Doonican: 6.98m
ITV
16:15 - Supergran: 6.38m
17:15 - Blockbusters Week's average: 7.89m 17:45 - News 18:00 - Regional News
18:35 - Crossroads Week's average: 11.20m
19:00 - This Is Your Life: Gary Wilmot: 12.08m
19:30 - Coronation Street: 13.85m
20:00 - Jim Davidson in Germany: 9.52m
21:00 - Film: The Trouble With Harry (Premiere): 6.63m 22:45 - News
23:00 - Fresh Fields Special (R): 7.39m
BBC2
21:00-22:50 - Season's Greetings: 3.55m
Channel 4
23:45-00:45 - Blue Suede Shoes (R): 1.90m
Friday 26 December 1986:
BBC1
10:30-12:45 - Film: Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (R): 5.96m
13:30 - Film: The Guns of Navarone (R): 7.84m
16:00 - Disney Time: 10.72m
16:45 - Final Score: 9.69m
17:05 - Blankety Blank: 9.58m
17:40 - Barnum: 8.26m (18:50-19:00 - News)
19:45 - 'Allo 'Allo!: 14.81m
20:30 - Bergerac: 13.22m 22:00 - News
22:15 - Film: The Verdict (Premiere) Below 5.96m
ITV
14:10 - Film: 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (R): 6.15m
16:30 - Name That Tune Special: 7.83m 17:00 - News and Sport
17:15 - Film: The Spy Who Loved Me (R): 14.79m
19:30 - Fire and Ice: 12.67m
20:30 - A Christmas Night of 100 Stars: 11.55m (21:45-22:00 - News)
23:15 - Film: Airplane II: the Sequel (Premiere): 8.85m
Channel 4
17:00-18:00 - The Queen and Her Ceremonial Horses (R): 1.90m
Thanks Ray.
1986 wasn't a vintage Christmas on BBC1 apart from Christmas Day and even then the big Christmas Day movie in Annie was poor. Couldn't make it through Barnum that Year either. Can you post Christmas Day 1986 again please Ray?
How come DS has lifted banned people? Because the forums were going quiet?
A bit like saying lets let out a few prisoners because a local supermarket is short on workers. When it suits, eh?!
However, if it was done for the right reasons, then of course it's only right, but I somehow doubt it.
It's largely a practical matter pending the big update, I would have thought. If they give people the chance to come back now, they can simply dump all the old accounts when the update occurs with nobody being able to say they didn't get a chance to redeem themselves.
1986 wasn't a vintage Christmas on BBC1 apart from Christmas Day and even then the big Christmas Day movie in Annie was poor. Couldn't make it through Barnum that Year either. Can you post Christmas Day 1986 again please Ray?
BBC 1
10:00: Film: The Pure Hell of St. Trinian's - 6.10m
11:30: Christmas Morning with Noel - 8.11m
13:25: Every Second Counts - 8.43m
14:00: Top of the Pops Christmas Party - 12.78m
15:00: The Queen - 16.46m
15:10: Film: Annie, the Musical - 10.09m
17:15: BBC News - 13.90m
17:25: The Russ Abbot Christmas Show - 16.07m
18:00: Just Good Friends - 20.76m
18:35: EastEnders - 19.55m (29.55m inc. omnibus repeat)
19:05: Only Fools and Horses - 18.76m
20:20: Miss Marple: Murder at the Vicarage - 13.29m
22:00: EastEnders - 18.95m (30.15m inc. omnibus repeat)
22:30: BBC News - 17.00m
22:40: Film: Educating Rita - 13.92m
ITV
15:00: The Queen - 7.72m
15:10: Film: Dumbo - 14.11m
16:20: Strike it Lucky - 11.70m
16:55: ITN News - 11.50m
17:00: Cinderella (Pantomime) - 7.72m
18:30: Film: Never Say Never Again - 11.53m
21:00: A Duty Free Christmas - 12.65m
22:00: ITN News - 8.80m
22:10: Film: Agatha Christie's Dead Man's Folly - 6.15m
And here's Ray and much missed George S' posts (I miss his and Robbie's "banter") regarding that day:
Oh I wouldn't quibble over 170,000 viewers Dan. That kind of number would basically double what the X Factor has been getting...
Shall we talk about how Strictly has been millions ahead week in week out, even though the X Factor has tried literally everything to bring back viewers? Or how Strictly is so well-loved it can survive losing its main host and 5m people won't desert it?
Bless, it must be all hands on deck at Syco for you right now, mustn't it?
So based on that, that's 1.97m (10.4%) for Vicious. Not great but I don't think they could have expected much more. It wasn't trailed well at all, from what I see. They could have used I'm a Celebrity to do so but they didn't.
That said, I doubt any amount of trailing would have helped it. This was ITV's first venture in old-fashioned studio comedy in a long while and it seemed to go down so well at the tapings of the first series they ordered a Christmas special before the first episode went out (although they probably would have done that anyway). After 5.9m tuned in for the opening episode, it fell to 3.7m for episode 2 and never recovered (although now they'd happily take 3.7m for a comedy!). The star power probably contributed to the big launch figure but an opening episode that had a rather poor script (IMO) among other factors contributed to the drop. It did improve as the series progressed but by then it was too late.
I do think it was a missed opportunity, but I hope ITV don't give up (nor the BBC for the same matter) as we need more comedy on television, but I don't want to see comedy just for the sake of it.
Well, indeed. Vicious has never been a hit with the general public, and as you say it's hardly as if it's been treated badly - it got a fantastic slot for the first series, and an incredible amount of publicity, poster campaigns and everything, and the broadsheets were mad about it as well. It had all that, and people still didn't want to watch it.
You mention how it went down well at the recordings, and I'm sure if you're there and watching Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi doing jokes about dildos and corpsing, it's hilarious. But it reminds me of what Steven Moffatt said about his nineties sitcom Chalk, when they were recording it the audience were in hysterics and the cast said they'd never seen an audience laugh so much. But when Moffatt watched the tape, he said he immediately realised it was too loud and frantic for TV. It's a bit like when you say...
I'm sure there are plenty of shows that go down well at press conferences but struggle to connect with viewers. Will this be one of them? Who knows.
...because certainly the press were very supportive of Vicious, but then that's not really the audience that primetime ITV thrives on. It reminds me a bit of another Steven Moffatt sitcom, a ITV pilot called The Office (not that one) in 1996 with Robert Lindsay. I remember Teletext doing a report on it and saying in the press screening all the assembled journalists were crying with laughter and asked to see it again cos they thought it was so hilarious. And then when ITV showed it, hardly anyone watched it, it got a lukewarm reception and they never did a series.
Charlie was on yesterday, and Thursday, and pretty much all Thur/Fri/Sat all year round, and when Dan is off!
Yes, and they'd not said that Naga is leaving either. She's doing some stuff for Newsnight, but that doesn't mean she can't do Breakfast as well. Dan Walker does plenty of other things.
Warwick Davis might have let slip in the Mail Weekend magazine today that this Christmas special of Jonathon Creek will be the last by - er - saying 'It's sad to think this will be the last one....' Then trying to back out of the hole by suggesting a spin off starring his vicar character from this new episode. When asked to qualify he just said that was the feeling he got on set.
I dunno about this, we went years and years without a series in the noughties - there was a five year gap between 2004 and 2009, and there's been two and a half years since the last one. David Renwick has always talked about how hard they are to write and come up with ideas, so I wouldn't be surprised if he suggested he couldn't think of anything else and that would probably be it. But he's said that before.
I do find it funny how I consider 6:30 on a Saturday to be a great slot time but 6:30 on a Sunday to be too early. Do other people feel this or is it just me and my memories of 6:30 being a God slot and good programmes not starting until 7:15?
C4 and the Cosby Show was a Godsend on Sundays.
Indeed, that's why I quite liked Strictly starting at 7.15 on Sunday cos it felt a bit like those days - even Countryfile before it is the same kind of vibe as Songs of Praise. For me, it was always the Top 40 and a bath before watching telly on Sunday. There is a big audience round at 6.30 on a Sunday, though, especially this time of year.
I think Ben was just reading from a newspaper article so its what the paper guesses it will be.
Yes, the front page of The Observer today suggested it was watched by 11.3 million viewers, which seemed the most bizarrely specific guess. Presumably they were just assuming it would be the same as the series average.
Isn't is something like 23 quid a month?! Daylight robbery!
Well, you don't just pay for the app, you get access to the website and of course the printed magazine as well. And it is mostly aimed at the industry and people who can get their employers to pay for it. Or those stupid enough to subscribe twenty years ago when they got a reduced rate for the first year for being a student and have never got round to cancelling.
Any thoughts on the ratings for Strictly on Christmas Day?? Maybe 8 million or so.
I'm going to predict Strictly as my tip for Christmas number one, I think Mrs Brown is probably too late to get the big audience while Strictly has little in the way of competition. That said, while we turn our nose up at Call The Midwife, it's done perfectly alright in recent years, the year before last it came second, didn't it?
In terms of sheer numbers the 2010 series of Strictly might be the most popular, but maybe not in terms of what series the audience has enjoyed the most, or written about the most, or shared the most clips from on social media, or any other metric.
Not much more to be said really - ITV proabably hoping to attract some form of 'alternative' fantasy audience that may not necessarily be interested in Strictly but as others have pointed out LOTR & Hobbitt are too long and too dark to be all that appealing over the festive period.
Channel 4 didn't exactly disgrace itself but considering Arthur Christmas was their big family film premier I'm sure they'll be disappointed with that - rather ridiculous scheduling really. Could proabably have doubled its audience in the same slot a. Ought layer.
Arthur Christmas wasn't a premiere, it's been on loads of times before. The other thing about Lord of the Rings is that it started at 4.15, when hardly anyone is in front of the telly, and by the time most people are tuning in, it would have been well underway. And then The Hobbit started right in the middle of Strictly. They'd have been better showing only one of them, but starting it around six o'clock.
1986 wasn't a vintage Christmas on BBC1 apart from Christmas Day and even then the big Christmas Day movie in Annie was poor. Couldn't make it through Barnum that Year either. Can you post Christmas Day 1986 again please Ray?
If you compare Christmas 1986 with Christmas 1985 on BBC1, via Genome or the Radio Times, you'll also notice there are loads more repeats in 1986, presumably as some of the budget had gone towards daytime TV, or a stronger autumn schedule.
1986 was also the first of three years where the days between Christmas and New Year were massively unfestive and included full-length One, Six and Nine O'Clock Newses, plus full-length regional news at 6.30. Imagine that now.
Oh I wouldn't quibble over 170,000 viewers Dan. That kind of number would basically double what the X Factor has been getting...
Shall we talk about how Strictly has been millions ahead week in week out, even though the X Factor has tried literally everything to bring back viewers? Or how Strictly is so well-loved it can survive losing its main host and 5m people won't desert it?
Bless, it must be all hands on deck at Syco for you right now, mustn't it?
Like I said earlier, I stopped caring about SCD vs. XF a long time ago. Ratings battles only serve to boost the winning side's ego. XF tried to bring back viewers this year, and did- it succeeded. Right up until the live shows it was getting 8, 9, 10 million viewers each week. But I don't see how XF is at all relevant to the SCD final rating....
And the "you must work for Syco" thing got old about a year ago.
Well, indeed. Vicious has never been a hit with the general public, and as you say it's hardly as if it's been treated badly - it got a fantastic slot for the first series, and an incredible amount of publicity, poster campaigns and everything, and the broadsheets were mad about it as well. It had all that, and people still didn't want to watch it.
You mention how it went down well at the recordings, and I'm sure if you're there and watching Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi doing jokes about dildos and corpsing, it's hilarious. But it reminds me of what Steven Moffatt said about his nineties sitcom Chalk, when they were recording it the audience were in hysterics and the cast said they'd never seen an audience laugh so much. But when Moffatt watched the tape, he said he immediately realised it was too loud and frantic for TV. It's a bit like when you say...
...because certainly the press were very supportive of Vicious, but then that's not really the audience that primetime ITV thrives on. It reminds me a bit of another Steven Moffatt sitcom, a ITV pilot called The Office (not that one) in 1996 with Robert Lindsay. I remember Teletext doing a report on it and saying in the press screening all the assembled journalists were crying with laughter and asked to see it again cos they thought it was so hilarious. And then when ITV showed it, hardly anyone watched it, it got a lukewarm reception and they never did a series.
Mind you, comedy, more than any other genre, tends to be subjective and is undoubtedly the most difficult to get right. It shows in the fact we've not had many new comedy hits (but then I suppose it's the sort of thing that doesn't come around that often anyway). The last new comedy to get ratings which make it a hit is arguably Peter Kay's Car Share.
Well, you don't just pay for the app, you get access to the website and of course the printed magazine as well. And it is mostly aimed at the industry and people who can get their employers to pay for it. Or those stupid enough to subscribe twenty years ago when they got a reduced rate for the first year for being a student and have never got round to cancelling.
Do we know why they don't include HD & +1 for ITV? Presumably it's an automated system and that's how it is but it is annoying.
I'm going to predict Strictly as my tip for Christmas number one, I think Mrs Brown is probably too late to get the big audience while Strictly has little in the way of competition. That said, while we turn our nose up at Call The Midwife, it's done perfectly alright in recent years, the year before last it came second, didn't it?
This is how Call the Midwife has done on Christmas Day each year on overnights:
2012 - 7.27m/28.3% (6th for the day overall, 3rd for BBC One)
2013 - 7.08m/30.1% (6th for the day overall, 5th for BBC One)
2014 - 6.83m/27.9% (4th for the day overall & for BBC One)
2015 - 5.80m/24.5% (4th for the day overall, 3rd for BBC One)
In the officials:
2012 - 10.18m (+2.91m) (3rd for the day overall, 2nd for BBC One)
2013 - 9.16m (+2.08m) (6th for the day overall, 4th for BBC One)
2014 - 9.41m (+2.58m) (2nd for the day overall, 2nd for BBC One)
2015 - 9.30m (+3.50m) (3rd for the day overall, 2nd for BBC One)
Personally, I think one of Frozen or Christmas Bake Off will be number one.
In terms of sheer numbers the 2010 series of Strictly might be the most popular, but maybe not in terms of what series the audience has enjoyed the most, or written about the most, or shared the most clips from on social media, or any other metric.
BIB: That might be largely to do with the fact social media is a much bigger thing than it was in 2010.
Like I said earlier, I stopped caring about SCD vs. XF a long time ago. Ratings battles only serve to boost the winning side's ego. XF tried to bring back viewers this year, and did- it succeeded. Right up until the live shows it was getting 8, 9, 10 million viewers each week. But I don't see how XF is at all relevant to the SCD final rating....
And the "you must work for Syco" thing got old about a year ago.
Was it around about the time that Strictly began to start beating X Factor on a regular basis?
Well strangely enough many did when it was on the BBC. The love for it seems to have somewhat declined now its moving channels. I'd hazard a guess you won't be watching now its not BBC The Voice...but ITV The Voice!?
I watched the odd ep when Kylie was a judge, but in truth, it really wasn't my type of show. It wasn't a patch on the quality of Strictly. Safe to say, I won't be following it to ITV.
Never have I said BBC1 only appeals to older viewers. EastEnders, The Apprective, GBBO shows that it doesn't.
But....a large chuck of its output, is heavily skewed towards older viewers, more so than ITV despite their number of old skewing dramas. This therefore allows BBC1 to have solid ratings even against 15-20m for BGT or TXF. During those big shows appealing to all ages, BBC1 still held with 3-4m. Those 3-4m are loyal older viewers who will watch most BBC output.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, it shows channel loyalty, but that channel loyalty also is aided by the BEEB's lack of adverts (as well as dependable solid schedule). Its the safer choice over the other channels. Just look at how many on this forum won't watch ITV or Ch4 over Christmas Day because it has adverts. Therefore BBC1 is the default option for them.
The BBC is my default broadcaster at all times too. Yes it is partly due to no adverts but all the quality and variety is on the Beeb.
Bit harsh! I'm sure they must have some redeeming qualities? ;-)
Sunbeam Says People Who Dislike the BBC Are Loathsome!
I've written a few articles for newspapers and it always amused me how people can see a headline and not see past it, even if the headline had little to do with the actual content.
I tested it on a fan forum in around 2004 when I asked the question and within months the question mark had been forgotten. I became almost hated by some in that place.
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Probably not much more than the 7m it got last night. Close to 8m max.
Well strangely enough many did when it was on the BBC. The love for it seems to have somewhat declined now its moving channels. I'd hazard a guess you won't be watching now its not BBC The Voice...but ITV The Voice!?
Never have I said BBC1 only appeals to older viewers. EastEnders, The Apprective, GBBO shows that it doesn't.
But....a large chuck of its output, is heavily skewed towards older viewers, more so than ITV despite their number of old skewing dramas. This therefore allows BBC1 to have solid ratings even against 15-20m for BGT or TXF. During those big shows appealing to all ages, BBC1 still held with 3-4m. Those 3-4m are loyal older viewers who will watch most BBC output.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, it shows channel loyalty, but that channel loyalty also is aided by the BEEB's lack of adverts (as well as dependable solid schedule). Its the safer choice over the other channels. Just look at how many on this forum won't watch ITV or Ch4 over Christmas Day because it has adverts. Therefore BBC1 is the default option for them.
There are over 16,000 banned accounts. Some posters live here all day every day, but if those 16,000 visit every day that's 5.8 million views.
We can't put ITV's struggles down entirely to the fact the BBC don't have adverts. Yes, going by a lot of the comments online you'd think everyone hated them, but just a few weeks ago, I'm a Celebrity got 10.5m. I think the general viewing public aren't that bothered by adverts, not least because you can skip them (though that's no use to ITV).
With regards to the love for The Voice declining as it's moving channels, I think that was happening anyway after they appointed Paloma Faith and Boy George as the coaches last series - I think they switched people off more than the fact it was going to be the last series on BBC1. It wasn't the same as them announcing it was going to be axed at the end of the series, it was just moving channels. Yes, there are naturally going to be a few viewers who will refuse to watch the show now it's on ITV but that doesn't make up a huge amount of its audience. Mind you, I could be wrong, if The Voice takes a huge hit on ITV and doesn't find a new audience.
There are a few people on these forums & social media who think ITV is beneath them, but again that doesn't make up a huge amount.
Agree. It's prejudging a situation that has not occurred yet and a faslehood TVUK has not even aired on ITV as yet. You can't predict, anything about the love for TVUK falling due to channel changing.
It's an opinion.
Now GBBO has had outcry, upset, the forms have had five six or seven threads running re upset, as GBBO feels a very BBC show. To be honest TVUK has always felt a show that could be on any channel, and is around the world.
What " did" cause a lot of loss of love for TVUK was Sir Tom being replaced by Boy George last year. It was wrong, it was like replacing the TARDIS in Doctor Who.
How will TVUK do on ITV? We do not know but will in January.
I think, it will do better than XF.
The clash with Let it shine will damage it.
It will start quite high in the ratings.
The proof will be holding onto viewers,
My worry is they will make it like the other show we can't mention too often.
I'm not sure any campaign had much to do with it. I heard about the ban amnesty and sent them a message, and luckily they were willing to forget everything that happened previously and... here I am.
He's still hated less than Piers Morgan and Britain's Got Talent didn't suffer under him. I know they aren't comparable but still...
The tax-dodging reports were years ago, so I don't know why people (this isn't directed at yourself) continue to bring it up. He wasn't massively popular on The X Factor but that's because he wasn't the right personality for it. In terms of giving critique I didn't really have an issue with him, and Let it Shine might be better suited to him.
At the same time I struggle to see if Let it Shine will have mass appeal.
It came at the right time because the possibility of me ever getting back on here was becoming hopeless day after day. But I'm back and I'm definitely not leaving again!
These people tend to dislike a lot of things.
Why would they make it like X Factor? ITV have no interest in having two identical shows which will damage each other, they want shows that are similar but compliment each other (like Corrie and Emmerdale for example). As I've said before, The Voice will probably appeal to an older audience than XF.
Clearly ITV are hoping to get the best of both worlds.
BBC1
14:25 - Film: The Wizard of Oz (R): 8.28m
16:05 - Daffy Duck: 9.80m
16:20 - The Box of Delights (R) Week's average: 7.29m
17:20 - Jim'll Fix It: 8.51m
18:00 - News
18:20 - Film: Mr Mum (Premiere): 8.47m
19:50 - Childwatch Update: 6.93m
20:00 - The Two Ronnies (R): 11.69m
21:00 - News
21:20 - Dallas: 10.63m
22:10 - Wogan Week's average: 9.56m
22:45 - Christmas Eve with Val Doonican: 6.98m
ITV
16:15 - Supergran: 6.38m
17:15 - Blockbusters Week's average: 7.89m
17:45 - News
18:00 - Regional News
18:35 - Crossroads Week's average: 11.20m
19:00 - This Is Your Life: Gary Wilmot: 12.08m
19:30 - Coronation Street: 13.85m
20:00 - Jim Davidson in Germany: 9.52m
21:00 - Film: The Trouble With Harry (Premiere): 6.63m
22:45 - News
23:00 - Fresh Fields Special (R): 7.39m
BBC2
21:00-22:50 - Season's Greetings: 3.55m
Channel 4
23:45-00:45 - Blue Suede Shoes (R): 1.90m
Friday 26 December 1986:
BBC1
10:30-12:45 - Film: Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (R): 5.96m
13:30 - Film: The Guns of Navarone (R): 7.84m
16:00 - Disney Time: 10.72m
16:45 - Final Score: 9.69m
17:05 - Blankety Blank: 9.58m
17:40 - Barnum: 8.26m
(18:50-19:00 - News)
19:45 - 'Allo 'Allo!: 14.81m
20:30 - Bergerac: 13.22m
22:00 - News
22:15 - Film: The Verdict (Premiere) Below 5.96m
ITV
14:10 - Film: 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (R): 6.15m
16:30 - Name That Tune Special: 7.83m
17:00 - News and Sport
17:15 - Film: The Spy Who Loved Me (R): 14.79m
19:30 - Fire and Ice: 12.67m
20:30 - A Christmas Night of 100 Stars: 11.55m
(21:45-22:00 - News)
23:15 - Film: Airplane II: the Sequel (Premiere): 8.85m
BBC2
12:45-14:00 - Film: Gulliver's Travels (R): 4.35m
19:00-19:25 - Cricket: Fourth Test: 3.25m
Channel 4
17:00-18:00 - The Queen and Her Ceremonial Horses (R): 1.90m
Bit harsh! I'm sure they must have some redeeming qualities? ;-)
1986 wasn't a vintage Christmas on BBC1 apart from Christmas Day and even then the big Christmas Day movie in Annie was poor. Couldn't make it through Barnum that Year either. Can you post Christmas Day 1986 again please Ray?
It's largely a practical matter pending the big update, I would have thought. If they give people the chance to come back now, they can simply dump all the old accounts when the update occurs with nobody being able to say they didn't get a chance to redeem themselves.
Courtesy of this marvellous site ;-) http://christmasdaybbc1.weebly.com/1986.html
BBC 1
10:00: Film: The Pure Hell of St. Trinian's - 6.10m
11:30: Christmas Morning with Noel - 8.11m
13:25: Every Second Counts - 8.43m
14:00: Top of the Pops Christmas Party - 12.78m
15:00: The Queen - 16.46m
15:10: Film: Annie, the Musical - 10.09m
17:15: BBC News - 13.90m
17:25: The Russ Abbot Christmas Show - 16.07m
18:00: Just Good Friends - 20.76m
18:35: EastEnders - 19.55m (29.55m inc. omnibus repeat)
19:05: Only Fools and Horses - 18.76m
20:20: Miss Marple: Murder at the Vicarage - 13.29m
22:00: EastEnders - 18.95m (30.15m inc. omnibus repeat)
22:30: BBC News - 17.00m
22:40: Film: Educating Rita - 13.92m
ITV
15:00: The Queen - 7.72m
15:10: Film: Dumbo - 14.11m
16:20: Strike it Lucky - 11.70m
16:55: ITN News - 11.50m
17:00: Cinderella (Pantomime) - 7.72m
18:30: Film: Never Say Never Again - 11.53m
21:00: A Duty Free Christmas - 12.65m
22:00: ITN News - 8.80m
22:10: Film: Agatha Christie's Dead Man's Folly - 6.15m
And here's Ray and much missed George S' posts (I miss his and Robbie's "banter") regarding that day:
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=69288869&postcount=1858 George
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=79346741&postcount=1043 Ray
Oh I wouldn't quibble over 170,000 viewers Dan. That kind of number would basically double what the X Factor has been getting...
Shall we talk about how Strictly has been millions ahead week in week out, even though the X Factor has tried literally everything to bring back viewers? Or how Strictly is so well-loved it can survive losing its main host and 5m people won't desert it?
Bless, it must be all hands on deck at Syco for you right now, mustn't it?
Well, indeed. Vicious has never been a hit with the general public, and as you say it's hardly as if it's been treated badly - it got a fantastic slot for the first series, and an incredible amount of publicity, poster campaigns and everything, and the broadsheets were mad about it as well. It had all that, and people still didn't want to watch it.
You mention how it went down well at the recordings, and I'm sure if you're there and watching Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi doing jokes about dildos and corpsing, it's hilarious. But it reminds me of what Steven Moffatt said about his nineties sitcom Chalk, when they were recording it the audience were in hysterics and the cast said they'd never seen an audience laugh so much. But when Moffatt watched the tape, he said he immediately realised it was too loud and frantic for TV. It's a bit like when you say...
...because certainly the press were very supportive of Vicious, but then that's not really the audience that primetime ITV thrives on. It reminds me a bit of another Steven Moffatt sitcom, a ITV pilot called The Office (not that one) in 1996 with Robert Lindsay. I remember Teletext doing a report on it and saying in the press screening all the assembled journalists were crying with laughter and asked to see it again cos they thought it was so hilarious. And then when ITV showed it, hardly anyone watched it, it got a lukewarm reception and they never did a series.
Yes, and they'd not said that Naga is leaving either. She's doing some stuff for Newsnight, but that doesn't mean she can't do Breakfast as well. Dan Walker does plenty of other things.
I dunno about this, we went years and years without a series in the noughties - there was a five year gap between 2004 and 2009, and there's been two and a half years since the last one. David Renwick has always talked about how hard they are to write and come up with ideas, so I wouldn't be surprised if he suggested he couldn't think of anything else and that would probably be it. But he's said that before.
Indeed, that's why I quite liked Strictly starting at 7.15 on Sunday cos it felt a bit like those days - even Countryfile before it is the same kind of vibe as Songs of Praise. For me, it was always the Top 40 and a bath before watching telly on Sunday. There is a big audience round at 6.30 on a Sunday, though, especially this time of year.
Yes, the front page of The Observer today suggested it was watched by 11.3 million viewers, which seemed the most bizarrely specific guess. Presumably they were just assuming it would be the same as the series average.
Well, you don't just pay for the app, you get access to the website and of course the printed magazine as well. And it is mostly aimed at the industry and people who can get their employers to pay for it. Or those stupid enough to subscribe twenty years ago when they got a reduced rate for the first year for being a student and have never got round to cancelling.
I'm going to predict Strictly as my tip for Christmas number one, I think Mrs Brown is probably too late to get the big audience while Strictly has little in the way of competition. That said, while we turn our nose up at Call The Midwife, it's done perfectly alright in recent years, the year before last it came second, didn't it?
In terms of sheer numbers the 2010 series of Strictly might be the most popular, but maybe not in terms of what series the audience has enjoyed the most, or written about the most, or shared the most clips from on social media, or any other metric.
Arthur Christmas wasn't a premiere, it's been on loads of times before. The other thing about Lord of the Rings is that it started at 4.15, when hardly anyone is in front of the telly, and by the time most people are tuning in, it would have been well underway. And then The Hobbit started right in the middle of Strictly. They'd have been better showing only one of them, but starting it around six o'clock.
If you compare Christmas 1986 with Christmas 1985 on BBC1, via Genome or the Radio Times, you'll also notice there are loads more repeats in 1986, presumably as some of the budget had gone towards daytime TV, or a stronger autumn schedule.
1986 was also the first of three years where the days between Christmas and New Year were massively unfestive and included full-length One, Six and Nine O'Clock Newses, plus full-length regional news at 6.30. Imagine that now.
And the "you must work for Syco" thing got old about a year ago.
Mind you, comedy, more than any other genre, tends to be subjective and is undoubtedly the most difficult to get right. It shows in the fact we've not had many new comedy hits (but then I suppose it's the sort of thing that doesn't come around that often anyway). The last new comedy to get ratings which make it a hit is arguably Peter Kay's Car Share.
Do we know why they don't include HD & +1 for ITV? Presumably it's an automated system and that's how it is but it is annoying.
This is how Call the Midwife has done on Christmas Day each year on overnights:
2012 - 7.27m/28.3% (6th for the day overall, 3rd for BBC One)
2013 - 7.08m/30.1% (6th for the day overall, 5th for BBC One)
2014 - 6.83m/27.9% (4th for the day overall & for BBC One)
2015 - 5.80m/24.5% (4th for the day overall, 3rd for BBC One)
In the officials:
2012 - 10.18m (+2.91m) (3rd for the day overall, 2nd for BBC One)
2013 - 9.16m (+2.08m) (6th for the day overall, 4th for BBC One)
2014 - 9.41m (+2.58m) (2nd for the day overall, 2nd for BBC One)
2015 - 9.30m (+3.50m) (3rd for the day overall, 2nd for BBC One)
Personally, I think one of Frozen or Christmas Bake Off will be number one.
BIB: That might be largely to do with the fact social media is a much bigger thing than it was in 2010.
Was it around about the time that Strictly began to start beating X Factor on a regular basis?
I watched the odd ep when Kylie was a judge, but in truth, it really wasn't my type of show. It wasn't a patch on the quality of Strictly. Safe to say, I won't be following it to ITV.
The BBC is my default broadcaster at all times too. Yes it is partly due to no adverts but all the quality and variety is on the Beeb.
Sunbeam Says People Who Dislike the BBC Are Loathsome!
I've written a few articles for newspapers and it always amused me how people can see a headline and not see past it, even if the headline had little to do with the actual content.
I tested it on a fan forum in around 2004 when I asked the question and within months the question mark had been forgotten. I became almost hated by some in that place.
Amused me no end at the time.
*Waves to DanR*