The Tenth Doctor and Rose Tyler
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Most people on here seem to hate them together so I was just wondering if there were any people on here who love them together? I know I do:D:D I thought Rose was better with Ten than when she was with Nine. I can't wait for them to come back for the 50th.
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I thought the dynamics of her and 9 worked better. I think the stories of her and 10 suffered because of all the romance stuff too much was focused on that. It really turned me against her. In my mind 10 was better with Martha and especially Donna.
Moffat handled the Ponds exit much better by paying tribute but not allowing them to hamper Claras character too much.
I think Rose was great and alot of the dislike comes from the post S2 treatment of the character. Her return was badly handled. I am almost sure if you took the abundance of references to her in S3 out and erased her presence in 4 altogether she would be much more fondly remembered and would be up there with Sarah Jane as one of the all time greats. For me she still is but I understand the Rose fatigue. They overplayed her a bit much.
That said I cannot wait to see her again in the Special. She has certainly earned her place in it.
Ten and Rose was more a physical/aesthetic relationship.
At least that's how I saw it. I personally prefer the former, as it is less in your face and far more intimate. It maintains the mystery of the Doctor's character and keeps his feelings vague whilst allowing a refreshing bond with his companion
These are more or less my thoughts as well. She was a great character, but I felt RTD paid a little too much attention to her and tried to make her as big as the show itself (no single character should be, not even individual Doctors), and I feel that hurt the character more than anything. In my opinion, once a Companion leaves the TARDIS, they shouldn't return, and if they do it should mean something other than them just being there (Series 4 failed at this for not just Rose, but for everyone involved in the finale).
What was originally a love story that we all knew would end in most likely tragedy, did indeed end in tragedy, a sort of sad beauty, then turned into some sort of bad fanfic (and I've written enough bad fanfics to know).
Exactly this. I don't think RTD was writing for the fans as such as he has never struck me as the kind of writer to be swayed by public opinion but the return of Rose certainly felt like it and was his possibly only really bad decision while show runner. Like you say he created a moment of real tragic beauty in 'Doomsday' and then diluted it far too quickly. Sure. The original episode remains as powerful as ever but it is forever tainted with the silly rehashing we got in 'Journeys End'. I wish RTD had been brave enough to leave it. The maddest thing is that S4 didn't need Rose Tyler at all. Donna was so good and the rest of the storyline compelling enough that the return of Rose felt like too much. It would almost be understandable if the story had needed some sort of hype injection to get viewers but it didn't at all. Ultimately it damaged the Rose legacy and was self indulgent.
A real shame.
I do agree that the Doctor's relentless mooning in series 3 was irritating, especially when he talked about her as if she was something she wasn't - "Rose would know what to do" Well, no, she wouldn't; she was brave and far from stupid, but she didn't have any more knowledge than Martha. And her return in series 4 was a huge, huge mistake IMO.
Perhaps they were wearing rose-tinted glasses ...
I'll get my coat ...
Series 2 was wonderful - the lightheartedness, and sheer sense of fun as Ten and Rose laughed their way through the Universe. It made the end even more heartrending. I wasn't keen on the second ending to Rose's story, when she got left with the second hand Doctor. I thought she'd been short-changed. I've grown to like it better since,
I must say I do like the way the Doctor gets romantically involved with people since his return. One of the best bits of new Who for me.
Maybe it was losing his whole species which made him appreciate Earth Girls more?;):D
Had she made her brief returns in series 4 and come back to help Donna in Turn Left it would've been a great reappearance for the character. Still tragically unable to see the Doctor but managed to give him and his new companion a helping hand. Her Doomsday exit still intact.
But dragging her back into the Tardis and immediately an episode later trying to repeat her original exit was just too far.
Do you mean romantically?
I mean the whole relationship. It just seemed forced to me.
I agree, that would have been better.
I still follow what they do and spend time watching tons of fan-made VTs on youtube lol
My problem with it was that there was a bit too much focus put on the romance and stuff. And then "Doomsday" would have been a great sendoff for the character (the Doctor suddenly and unexpectedly loses her, but at least she ends up with everyone else she could possibly love) if only she wasn't brought back (and then given Hand Doctor).
:D:D
I know that the soap opera slur is hurled at both versions of 21st Century Who. However I think what Moffat was aiming for, was Event Television. Who Shot JR?! Free the Weatherfield One! When Den tried to divorce Thingy on Christmas Day, very early on, plus that family of girls where one turned out to be another's mother (Ok, I confess, I've never watched Eastenders and haven't watched a soap in years, but that's the point - they are stories even I register, because they reach the front page rather than the relevant paragraph on the tv listings page). The most obvious example is "Luke - I am your father" - still talked about over 30 years later - which I presume is what River's "I'm your daughter" was supposed to replicate. How successful Moffat had been is definitely up for debate, however I do understand what he was trying to do. RTD's Who, on the other hand, was about the other 51 weeks a year of the soaps, which is all about going down the Market, what people are having for their tea, rows with parents, being bored by your job, who's moving out and (OMG!) who fancies who. Leave out the time travel and Rose's life was less interesting than mine.
I couldn't believe that this brilliant time travelling alien would fall for Miss Ever So Average. It just made me despise him that he'd need this selfish, self absorbed, whining child. Making a rival of Mickey, over Rose? Where's your pride! Also, I still find simple minded teen falls for very old man bordering on creepy. An adult would accept that she had a crush and act carefully, rather than take advantage of her rampant father issues. I really don't want my Doctor to be a creepy old man. In the interest of fairness, Eleven did his fair bit of stalking - at least he thought Clara was inexplicable, but does Moffat like his childlike women to actually still be children which is no better.
I have no problem with the Doctor having a lady-friend, at least River was a woman, not a girl, but it's been done so badly most of the time, it might be better if they dropped the whole idea...
I didn't like Ten and Rose together for several reasons, most are simply objective and are probably the very same reasons that others seem to love them. For me mostly though it was because I don't particularly see The Doctor as a romantic lead and don't watch the show for romance. I don't even like Rivers story much but she at least is off screen a lot and is an independent character when she is in the story. Rose by contrast became a Mary Sue damsel in distress, rendered only important in relation to her man - even her family were not important enough to her by the end.
I find that a very old fashioned (if not still somehow popular view) of women in storytelling. It's like Mills and Boon of Who, And as for expecting someone to be happy with a clone of the person they love- well, best no go there at all;)
I like Rose and I liked The Tenth Doctor but I'll leave Ten Rose appreciation to someone else because I don't think that this story-line did favours to either character.
Edit- in fact he should have killed Rose off in that episode as he wrote himself into corner. Would have been much more poignant and fitting. She and Donna save the day. And they return to Bad Wolf Bay to bury her. Problem solved.