HMV are crafty

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 21
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    Higher speed broadband and larger hard drives means that HMV's death is inevitable. We're a pirate nation now . . .

    Not me. I love having a well made special edition or boxset with special features in my hand. Appreciating the artwork and all.

    Can't download that.
  • zx50zx50 Posts: 91,203
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    HMV are their own worst enemy, and yet they complain when people aren't buying enough of their stock! What the hell do they expect?!
  • zx50zx50 Posts: 91,203
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    Theo_Bear wrote: »
    Why the hell would I even think about buying films cheap from Amazon, let alone paying HMV's extortionate prices, when perfect copies of Les Miserables and Django Unchained are already freely available from the good ship Skull & Crossbones?

    I download films etc, but I'll still buy the legitimate copy if I like what I've downloaded enough.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,274
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    SoulGlo wrote: »
    Not me. I love having a well made special edition or boxset with special features in my hand. Appreciating the artwork and all.

    Can't download that.

    Good call Soulgo! :D

    Not every one wants to wear a wooden leg and an eye-patch.

    If someone just wants a vanilla copy (and poor quality) on stick or Hard-drive that's down to you.

    Personally I'm happier with my steel-book Blu-Ray version of "Zombie Flesh Eaters" with the re-mastered sound and picture and 5 hours of specials.

    Each to their own though... :).
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,488
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    It's a classic scam. There's not much British people love more than a bargain and these sort of 'panic sales' usually get people rushing through the doors (anyone remember the Woolworths closing down sale?). However, like with Woolworths, DVD/CD stock is very easy to resell back to trade so there's no point in HMV taking any kind of serious hit on the price, even if they are about to go into administration.

    Higher speed broadband and larger hard drives means that HMV's death is inevitable. We're a pirate nation now . . .
    Didn't the collapse Entertainment:UK (part of Woolworths) cause serious issues for Zavvi?

    Not necessarily, I buy DVDs/BDs because I want higher quality, and feel we should support the people that make these films and TV shows.
  • SonickSonick Posts: 239
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  • Theo_BearTheo_Bear Posts: 997
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    Sonick wrote: »

    I'll be amazed if HMV are still around in a few months.
  • BlurayBluray Posts: 661
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    Wulfster wrote: »
    Good call Soulgo! :D

    Not every one wants to wear a wooden leg and an eye-patch.

    If someone just wants a vanilla copy (and poor quality) on stick or Hard-drive that's down to you.

    Personally I'm happier with my steel-book Blu-Ray version of "Zombie Flesh Eaters" with the re-mastered sound and picture and 5 hours of specials.

    Each to their own though... :).

    I'm with you and Soulgo.

    Downloads are cold.
  • MC_SatanMC_Satan Posts: 26,512
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    SoulGlo wrote: »
    Not me. I love having a well made special edition or boxset with special features in my hand. Appreciating the artwork and all.

    Can't download that.

    Absolutely. I blame iTunes et al and never use them.
  • Muttley76Muttley76 Posts: 97,888
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    SoulGlo wrote: »
    Not me. I love having a well made special edition or boxset with special features in my hand. Appreciating the artwork and all.

    Can't download that.

    Nor me either. I don't see it as being any different than shop lifting, quite honestly. But putting morality aside, I like to have a quality product not a piece of old tat.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,488
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    MC_Satan wrote: »
    Absolutely. I blame iTunes et al and never use them.

    Whilst it may technically be "iTunes et al"'s fault, you can't blame them. HMV had the chance to save the business but didn't do the right things. The prices are high, the staff are obnoxious and the business acumen? non-existent. HMV failed because it sucked. No other reason. But how long until we're told it failed due to piracy and the internet?
  • blueisthecolourblueisthecolour Posts: 20,119
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    Muttley76 wrote: »
    Nor me either. I don't see it as being any different than shop lifting, quite honestly. But putting morality aside, I like to have a quality product not a piece of old tat.

    I won't go into the morality, I mean I pay to go to the cinema quite a lot, but I know that doesn't make it right.

    In terms of quality though, as long as you wait for the DVD/BluRay releases then the download is identical to the physical copy. And if you have a HDMI output on your laptop like mine then there's not even a need to move the file over to a compatible player.
  • blueisthecolourblueisthecolour Posts: 20,119
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    Whilst it may technically be "iTunes et al"'s fault, you can't blame them. HMV had the chance to save the business but didn't do the right things. The prices are high, the staff are obnoxious and the business acumen? non-existent. HMV failed because it sucked. No other reason. But how long until we're told it failed due to piracy and the internet?

    To be fair that is the truth. HMV has been overpriced since the days that Virgin Megastore was it's only real competition, yet it performed pretty well then. Maybe, maybe, it could have competed against the internet alone, but with piracy evolving at such a rate it had absolutely no chance.
  • Muttley76Muttley76 Posts: 97,888
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    I won't go into the morality, I mean I pay to go to the cinema quite a lot, but I know that doesn't make it right.

    It certainly doesn't - it's like a shoplifter saying i go to the supermarket a lot thus it's okay if i sometimes take stuff off the shelves and leave without paying.
    In terms of quality though, as long as you wait for the DVD/BluRay releases then the download is identical to the physical copy. And if you have a HDMI output on your laptop like mine then there's not even a need to move the file over to a compatible player.

    by tat i was referring to a product not being presented as intended more than the quality of the download.

    As I say, though, hell would freeze over before i pirated movies.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,488
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    To be fair that is the truth. HMV has been overpriced since the days that Virgin Megastore was it's only real competition, yet it performed pretty well then. Maybe, maybe, it could have competed against the internet alone, but with piracy evolving at such a rate it had absolutely no chance.
    I realise I worded that poorly, by "the internet" I meant piracy and online streaming. I complete forgot that "the internet" could also refer to online stores. (Doh!)

    I don't buy the piracy claims, Amazon is the 9th most visited website, Hulu the 270th, over 15bn songs and 200m HD episodes have been brought off iTunes, clearly people are still le piracy is an exaggeration. A problem yes, the end of the industry as we know it, unlikely. However, undoubtedly FACT are going to profiteer off this and convince the government to introduce draconian copyright laws that do nothing to prevent piracy and just become a pain in the arse for honest consumers....
  • AsmoAsmo Posts: 15,327
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    Sky News describing HMV situation as 'collapse' now.
  • gemma-the-huskygemma-the-husky Posts: 18,116
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    we had a £30 voucher at Christmas - fortunately used it in a decent box set, buy one, get one half price deal they had running. (good deal for once!)
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,274
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    Just announced on the DS homepage as well;
    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a450998/hmv-to-go-into-administration-tomorrow.html

    Not looking good ...
  • mwardymwardy Posts: 1,925
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    I don't buy the piracy claims, Amazon is the 9th most visited website, Hulu the 270th, over 15bn songs and 200m HD episodes have been brought off iTunes, clearly people are still le piracy is an exaggeration. A problem yes, the end of the industry as we know it, unlikely. However, undoubtedly FACT are going to profiteer off this and convince the government to introduce draconian copyright laws that do nothing to prevent piracy and just become a pain in the arse for honest consumers....

    I'm afraid you could be right. Look at industry profits--they are going one way, and it's not downwards. But this could be more grist to the 'insert a DNA sample here' brigade's mill. :(
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  • stvn758stvn758 Posts: 19,656
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    So what does this mean, shitty low bit rate downloads replacing CDs. :(
  • steven123steven123 Posts: 3,234
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    we had a £30 voucher at Christmas - fortunately used it in a decent box set, buy one, get one half price deal they had running. (good deal for once!)

    I unfortunately have an unused £20 voucher for HMV, really wish I had used it before now. Any idea if there will be any time to use it before they shut up shop altogether? (I assume they will trade under administration like comet did for some time?).

    Kicking myself as I was actually in a store last week but the games I had wanted to buy were all out of stock, should have took that as a warning but I had no idea things were so dire....
  • stvn758stvn758 Posts: 19,656
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    steven123 wrote: »
    I unfortunately have an unused £20 voucher for HMV, really wish I had used it before now. Any idea if there will be any time to use it before they shut up shop altogether? (I assume they will trade under administration like comet did for some time?).

    Kicking myself as I was actually in a store last week but the games I had wanted to buy were all out of stock, should have took that as a warning but I had no idea things were so dire....

    Get it spent quickly, unless a few disabled kids are sat there with their vouchers in the DM they won't care less, Deloitte with Comet proved themselves to be right *****.
  • gerry dgerry d Posts: 12,518
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    Too be honest i'm not surprised that this has happened.While HMV can't compete with the likes of amazon & play they done themselves no favours over the years with some of the ridiculous prices for dvd's/blu-ray's especially boxsets.
  • CLL DodgeCLL Dodge Posts: 115,488
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    habby wrote: »
    Neil Saunders, the managing director of retail analyst Conlumino, said he felt the appointment of administrators at HMV "was always inevitable".

    "In the digital era, where 73.4% of music and film are downloaded, HMV's business model has simply become increasingly irrelevant and unsustainable.

    Untrue, in the UK at least:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20885506

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-20887307
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