Poll: Were Alec Baldwin comments homophobic?

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  • AneechikAneechik Posts: 20,208
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    You can call someone a queen without being homophobic.
  • kimindexkimindex Posts: 68,247
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    Glowbot wrote: »
    But the guy in question is gay right?

    Assuming so, bringing his sexuality into the argument (with the ass comment clearly does) is homophobic as would calling him a n-word would be if he was black.

    It's possible to insult people who you don't like while leaving slurs out of it.
    I said before it was homophobic language but that I agreed with you that death does funny things to people etc!
  • GlowbotGlowbot Posts: 14,847
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    Aneechik wrote: »
    You can call someone a queen without being homophobic.

    How about threatening to put your foot up their arse, and they would enjoy it?
    That part is particularly violent.
    kimindex wrote: »
    I said before it was homophobic language but that I agreed with you that death does funny things to people etc!
    Maybe so.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 414
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    Maybe he is not keen on gays and its shows in his words. Does not means he is homophobic, which means a strong aversion. Strong aversion indicates moving close to hate.

    I am not keen on clingy people. Does not mean I have a strong aversion to them. Personally I have no problem with gay people, but that does not mean I believe everybody has to like them.
  • AneechikAneechik Posts: 20,208
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    Glowbot wrote: »
    How about threatening to put your foot up their arse, and they would enjoy it?
    That part is particularly violent.

    No-one who says they're going to put their foot up someone's arse on Twitter is actually going to put their foot up someone's arse.
  • GlowbotGlowbot Posts: 14,847
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    Aneechik wrote: »
    No-one who says they're going to put their foot up someone's arse on Twitter is actually going to put their foot up someone's arse.

    People have been arrested for less credible threats on twitter.
  • CaldariCaldari Posts: 5,890
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    How about threatening to put your foot up their arse, and they would enjoy it?
    That part is particularly violent.
    Maybe so.

    How the f**k is that homophobic, plenty of straight guys like things delivered via the tradesman's too.
  • GlowbotGlowbot Posts: 14,847
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    Caldari wrote: »
    How the f**k is that homophobic, plenty of straight guys like things delivered via the tradesman's too.

    Yes and many gay people don't care for it.
    This doesn't detract from the fact he was using a stereotype that gays like it up the tradesman's to insult the gay guy.
  • FizixFizix Posts: 16,932
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    Gilbertoo wrote: »
    Yep, it was a bit much, but a) death does funny things to people and, b) it doesn't mean that Alec is homophobic.

    So for me, it's a bit 'meh'. A guy accuses a woman of doing something bad at a funeral. Womans husband kicks off in defence. End of.

    This is where I would fall. His statements were a problem with an individual, not a group of people and its all in the context really.

    To call an individual a queen isn't homophobic, to call gays queens as a statement sure, but maybe the guy is? And I've heard women called queens before, its not a term exclusive to gay guys.

    And his second statement, is clearly a dig at an individual than a statement applied to a whole group.

    I'm surprised anyone got upset about it, other than who it was directed at. If his wife wasn't tweeting at the funeral then I don't see how people can fly off the handle at it tbh.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 14,589
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    Glowbot wrote: »
    Yes and many gay people don't care for it.
    This doesn't detract from the fact he was using a stereotype that gays like it up the tradesman's to insult the gay guy.

    As Corporal Jones would say, "They don't like it up 'em".
  • Lewi26Lewi26 Posts: 11,841
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    No. I also didnt get offended about azealia banks comments to Perez Hilton either.

    Some gay people are twunts and need to be told so!
  • DaisyBillDaisyBill Posts: 4,339
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    I don't know. I suppose some gay people may be offended by it while others wouldn't.
    He does seem to have an 'anger management problem' though, remembering how he talked to his daughter a few years ago. Perhaps he should stay off twitter while he is in this frame of mind.
  • sinkingradiosinkingradio Posts: 1,459
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    Alec Baldwin has been a strong advocate for gay rights for many years. I think the tweets were a snap response probably as soon as he found out what had been said. He was probably still mourning the loss of his friend and was angry the Daily Fail made a false allegation about his wife.

    (I'm probably a bit bias though because I love Alec Baldwin, especially in 30 Rock, and I hate the Newspaper!)
  • Bex_123Bex_123 Posts: 10,783
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    kimindex wrote: »
    Yes, sorry, that's what I meant by what I said in my previous two posts.

    I know, just clarifying my own thoughts :)
  • pickwickpickwick Posts: 25,739
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    Yes, of course his tweets were homophobic. Obviously. Massively.

    He might have had good reason to be angry, but that doesn't change the fact that he chose to express that anger in homophobic terms (attacking the guy's sexuality, not his behaviour.) Whether he's generally a massive homophobe I don't know - I think it's more likely he's just an utter tosser with a huge anger management problem. There've been plenty of examples of that - him leaving a shouty ranty voicemail for his 11-year-old daughter is the one I remember. But that doesn't mean what he said wasn't homophobic.
  • pickwickpickwick Posts: 25,739
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    Caldari wrote: »
    How the f**k is that homophobic, plenty of straight guys like things delivered via the tradesman's too.
    Are you seriously arguing he'd have said the same thing to a straight journo?
  • StigglesStiggles Posts: 9,618
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    Glowbot wrote: »
    How about threatening to put your foot up their arse, and they would enjoy it?
    That part is particularly violent.
    Maybe so.

    Particularly violent? Don't be silly now.

    As for the comments, no, they were not homophobic in the slightest
  • BerBer Posts: 24,562
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    pickwick wrote: »
    Are you seriously arguing he'd have said the same thing to a straight journo?

    Why not? Comments implying homosexuality are quite often used to insult straight men.
  • GlowbotGlowbot Posts: 14,847
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    Stiggles wrote: »
    Violent? Don't be silly now.

    As for the comments, no, they were not homophobic in the slightest

    So you can stick your foot up someone's ass in a non-violent way then? I've never been to that area of youporn, so you're the expert!
  • StigglesStiggles Posts: 9,618
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    Glowbot wrote: »
    So you can stick your foot up someone's ass in a non-violent way then? I've never been to that area of youporn, so you're the expert!

    It's a bloody joke for gods sake. I think a child would understand that.
    How about to a female journalist, sticking his foot in her vagina, violent? Sexist? Guess not in your world.

    There is a huge difference between a joke and someone actually doing something...
  • GlowbotGlowbot Posts: 14,847
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    Stiggles wrote: »
    It's a bloody joke for gods sake. I think a child would understand that.

    I think you are taking it way to seriously.

    It was either a joke or he was saying it in anger, I'm not sure it can be both.
    Sounds like more of an empty threat to me, rather than playful banter.
  • StigglesStiggles Posts: 9,618
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    Glowbot wrote: »
    It was either a joke or he was saying it in anger, I'm not sure it can be both.
    Sounds like more of an empty threat to me, rather than playful banter.

    Again, i'm sure even a child can understand the difference...
  • GlowbotGlowbot Posts: 14,847
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    Stiggles wrote: »

    Oh dear. It's people like you that are screwing this planet up with what we can say and what we can't.

    There is a huge difference between a joke and someone actually doing something...

    I'm not saying he can't say it. I'm saying its homophobic.
  • jesayajesaya Posts: 35,597
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    pickwick wrote: »
    Yes, of course his tweets were homophobic. Obviously. Massively.

    He might have had good reason to be angry, but that doesn't change the fact that he chose to express that anger in homophobic terms (attacking the guy's sexuality, not his behaviour.) Whether he's generally a massive homophobe I don't know - I think it's more likely he's just an utter tosser with a huge anger management problem. There've been plenty of examples of that - him leaving a shouty ranty voicemail for his 11-year-old daughter is the one I remember. But that doesn't mean what he said wasn't homophobic.

    Yes, I think the comments were homophobic. Alec Baldwin has actually been very supportive of LGBT issues in the US however. so I guess he was doing as many people have done when angry, use insulting language that in more sober moments they would be appalled at.
  • GlowbotGlowbot Posts: 14,847
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    Stiggles wrote: »
    Again, i'm sure even a child can understand the difference...

    Um yes, jokes are funny. Threats are made when you are angry.

    If I hated you and you were black, I wouldn't call you n-word. If we were joking around I might get away with it.
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