Why is everyone so keen on Valeyard returning
Dean Dare
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I just don't get it, a character that wasn't particularly good, in fact he is virtually a Master copy, plus surely if he turns up it means the end is almost at hand for the doctor? I would rather bring back the kandyman or the giant slug from twin dilemma first
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Fans, simple as, love to speculate.
Personally I'd be surprised if The Valeyard was the big bad for the 50th. The episode will aim to be a 'bums on seats' episode that will hopefully get new views tuning in.
I totally agree with Steven Moffat when he says, and I'm paraphrasing, that the episode shouldn't be an out and out retro fan boy wa*k fest.
For the vast majority of the audience, that are not die hard fans, that do not have the DVDs the books and so on, the Valeyard would be an anti climax on the level of a Panda's sex life. Like you said might as well have the Kandyman:D. (just imagine the faces if that showed up)
To get bums on seats I think the baddie, and entire cast will be known before the episode airs.
The Valeyard - he's been done. Is there really any more story to be had here?
The Rani - oh FFS. Why on earth is there such a bafflingly large number of fans who want her back?? The only (slight) entertainment to be had from such a pifflingly rubbish character was in Kate O'Mara's admittedly fun performance. Unless KOM is to return (and I can't see it happening) then let's please leave the Rani back in the 80s with her shoulderpads...
I watched that episode for the first time yesterday.
It was pretty boring if I'm honest, although I didn't actually mind the Kandyman- he was actually kind of creepy.
It was the garish pink hair and heavy make-up of the other characters which I didn't like.
The Valeyard was fairly interesting at the time and I think the main reason people want to see him back is because he was supposed to be a future darker version of the Doctor himself.
However, in the end he just became another Master-like pantomime villain who wasn't anything particularly special. The only reason I would ever have him back is to get rid of the mystery behind him so we never have to think about him again.
Personally, I think we should have the Master return (provided he is no longer crazy hungry skeleton Master). It would be interesting to watch John Simm's Master interact with Smith's Doctor. Alternatively, it would also be good to have John Simm's Master regenerate into someone else entirely.
and Mavic Chen and Tobias Vaughan!
Well, you say that mossy, but I'm sure even you are hoping for a major cameo from the poacher in Spearhead From Space in the fiftieth? We've been waiting forty years for a more precise rabbit stew recipe.
All joking aside but the Toymaker would be an absolutely perfect villain for a Christmas special if you think about it. It's amazing that no-one done a Christmas special with him yet.
As for the Valeyard, I wouldn't bother. Better off bringing back the Dream Lord, which was a more effective version of what TOATL tried and failed to do with the Valeyard.
If any old adversary who hasn't come back yet is to return, how about the Black Guardian? I know Valentine Dyall is sadly no longer with us, but I'm sure such a powerful being could change his appearance and the character has real mileage.
Or how about a proper serious Rani played by Tilda Swinton?
If you lived through it first time you're statistically much less keen to revisit, for good reason.
You have to hand it to JNT, Eric Saward and Robert Holmes - they played a long, long game for the show's future with that one.
Now, about the Doctor's time as Merlin...
Best forgotten about.