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Eastenders: Sharon vs Kat
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Hello everyone I am new here. Though I have been reading this forum for a couple of years know I have been hesitant to sign up as some people can be quite ummm harsh and angry .
Anyway I have been trying to locate a clip from Eastenders which had Sharon and Kat having a verbal confrontation outside the pub in the market, as I was thinking who would win in a physical fight between:
Sharon vs Kat
and
Letitia vs Jessie.
I know this has nothing to do with the current Eastenders but it has been something I've been thinking about ever since I watched the above mentioned clip.
If anyone know's of the clip please post a link:).
Anyway I have been trying to locate a clip from Eastenders which had Sharon and Kat having a verbal confrontation outside the pub in the market, as I was thinking who would win in a physical fight between:
Sharon vs Kat
and
Letitia vs Jessie.
I know this has nothing to do with the current Eastenders but it has been something I've been thinking about ever since I watched the above mentioned clip.
If anyone know's of the clip please post a link:).
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Of course, Sharon Watts trumps Kat Slater any day. Sharon is, after all, the First Lady of Walford and from the first family!
I very much doubt that.... as good as the Zoe/Kat reveal was, it is still below Sharongate; Sharon is surrounded by iconic characters: Den, Angie, Grant; whilst her relationship with Dennis was the only equal to the Kat and Aflie saga we had in the 00s. It would take A LOT of really good writing and a lot of very high profile eps and storylines for Kat to enter the same grade as Sharon. One has to remember that Sharon is one of the few characters that unites all eras of EE - 80s, 90s, and 00s. Only Ian, Pauline and perhaps Mark also do that.
I mean people on here talk about Stacey been the equal or replacement of Kat..... and there is no way Stacey is as iconic as Sharon.
Not that Kat isn't a great character - she is.... but Sharon is among the top 10 most iconic and prolific characters the show has ever had.... she, Phil, and Den would all be vying for the top spot. I think Kat would struggle to get in than range.
The scene you talk of is from the incredible Dennis vs Walford episode where Sharon and Dennis return after several months away in America. Everyone is looking down their nose at Dennis after thinking he got Zoe pregnant and then left her for Sharon, causing her to lose the baby. Dennis also has his first encounter with Johnny Allen on the square in one of the best couple of scenes in the past 10 years. Ah...I could go on and on.
And here it is
Dennis vs Albert Square
I knew I'd uploaded it somewhere. The scene between Kat and Sharon is around the 5 minute mark. I hope it's the scene you're talking about!
(Sorry about the terrible quality)
The confrontation happened because Sharon & Dennis came back and at the time Kat and everyone else still believed it was Dennis who had got Zoe pregnant than walked out on her. Kat was picking on Dennis the whole day but Sharon was getting fed up with Dennis not saying anything back so she jumped in to stand up for him. Her and Sharon were standing about 10 ft away and Sharon was giving Kat a dirty look. Kat said something like "if you wanna fight in the street Sharon I'm just about ready for one" Dennis then told sharon to just leave and I they all walked off I think.
Comparing them is hard. I know most people will probably say Sharon and to an extent I agree. However Kat is my fave ever eastenders character so I obviously prefer her. I completely appriciate the iconicness of Sharon though as people practically watched her grow up on the square and have therefore watched Letitia grow up on their tellies to.
I think Sharon's character weakened towards her last 2/3 years though. As much as I adored Sharon and Dennis together it kind of merged sharon into a part of Shannis when she had previously been so independent. Nevertheless I think she'll always be one of the most legendary characters on the show. Not only because of her character but because she's part of the Watts family.
As for Jessie Vs Letitia. If you mean in terms of acting again that's a really difficult one as they've both had some amazing scenes and storylines and I think they were two of the strongest in the show between 2002-2005. I'd say Jessie purely for the fact the aftermath of the Kat/Zoe reveal was amazing. Then again though, Sharon's reaction after Dennis died was heartbreaking too.. Hmmmmm
:eek:Noo! They're so evil, so they won't let anyone watch old episodes at all; they won't put them out on a DVD themselves and they won't let saints like you upload them
For EE fanatics like me, your youtube channel was my heaven!
Hmm, I'd have to say Letitia/Sharon, as much as I LOVED Kat. Sharon was definitely iconic, and she was heartbreaking to watch after Dennis' death (didn't help that I was heartbroken already )
Looking forward to Kat's return though, loveed her. Would have liked to see more of the Slater girls return, I loved that era.
Den and Angie were more of a showy couple with their adopted daughter, who very quickly abandoned them to stand on her own too feet post-divorce papers. The Watts were only ever a proper family when they were together en-masse circa 2003-2005.
Agree very much.
Sharon is in a league of her own in terms of iconic - but that in no way diminishes just what a great character Kat is - to my mind, she is probably THE character of the 00s - it is just if one is comparing what the two characters mean to EE, then of course, obviously, Sharon comes out on top.
Also agree that both are good actresses. Letitia Dean gets a bit of a hard rap because, during her first stint 85-95, she was still developing a little as an actress but still could give a good performance. I think she was much better when she returned in 2001, but often had very "soapy" storylines to do, so some just brush her off. But as you say, her scenes after Dennis' death were very powerful.
And I've always thought Jessie Wallace was a good actress.
Very nice!!!!!
Ah... but that depends on what one means by "family" . The first time round, the Watts were a very dysfunctional nuclear family - but they were still a family.
I agree the Fowlers/Beales were set up as the archetypal family unit, and remain so, but to me "first family" means dramatic punch - and that is always going to be the Watts - no one is as dysfunctionally dramatic as them.
But the archtypal family of the show is, without doubt, the Beales/Fowlers.
Couldn't agree more. Love her 1995 return.
I loved her 2001 return too... and I thought she came back much tougher in 2005, and not so wispish as she had been in 04 especially.
The Watts of course were equally as important to early EE. They provided the flashy drama while the Beales/Fowlers tackled the more mundane side of family life.
Honestly, I see exactly where you are coming from. I would have no problem in agreeing that, in terms of the show as a whole, the Beales/Fowlers are the first family of EE.
Ian is enough - given that he has gone over to see her, and every so often they have a phone chat. Link with Pat is strong to.
Sharon never had a strong connection with Dot, though, so I don't think there is any tie there.
And of course Phil.
THe BIG thing for me, though, is that Sharon still doesn't know about the role Phil played in Dennis death. To me, that has to be addressed at some point and I think it would be very dramatic. There is a loose tie there.
But it won't be easy to bring her back - like it was in 01. It would be worth imo.
Although I'd say that she shouldn't return this year - nor early next, as there have just been too many returnees. The earleist possible time, imo, would be towards end of next year.
Seeing as she sold the pub back to the Mitchells in 05, I doubt Sharon would want anything to do with it again. The Vic holds nothing but unhappy memories for Sharon; Angie and Den at each other's throats, her marriage to Grant and her father's death.
If Sharon were ever to come back, she should be the strong, feisty Sharon we saw in 2001. By 04/05 she had become a bit wet, it really didn't feel like the same character at all (although we did saw small glimpses of the old Sharon in the fight with Zoe and also when she punched Chrissie at the airport:D). I definitely think there are enough ties in the Square to make her return plausible; she still has strong links to Ian and, especially, Phil.
Totally and utterly disagree... Sharon is FAR more iconic than Kat. Sharon is one of THE EE characters, along with Den or Phil, there is just now comparison in this regard...
Sharongate remains the seminal moment for EE; it demonstrated that EE could survive without Den and Angie... who, were, of course, Sharon parents. Sharon is surrounded by some of EE most iconic characters: Den, Angie, grant, Phil, Pauline, Ian.... in comparison, kat isn't.
Shannis was one of the biggest storylines of the 00s, second only to Kalfie; Den's death was also huge, behind Who Shot Phil, Kat-Zoe reveal, and Den's return (which Sharon was also central to).
In terms of character and characterisation; Kat is a well structured character, but Sharon is far more complete imo. Smith and Holland knew EXACTLY what they were doing when they created Sharon and the balance between fiesty independence and spoilt princess is superb and really adds a tremendous realism to the character.... very few characters are as adaptable as Sharon. We can see this in her relationships - Kat is very much tied to Alfie, and although kat could exist without Alfie, at the end of the day the two are so closely linked that developing her character sufficiently would take work on the part of the writers... Sharon was involved with Grant and they were THE couple of the 90s, yet despite that her character was maleable enough to allow her to go on and have another HUGE relationship. No character in EE history has ever really been able to do that, and that's because both Grant and Dennis fed into her characterisation. Grant and Phil were created for her; and then the writers used Sharon's backstory and relationship with Den to feed into with Dennis.
Kat has NO connection to EE prior to 2000.... Sharon is connected to EE throughout its history and was in the show durng ALL its golden periods: 80s; early 90s; and early 00s. And she was instrumentally connected to the peaks in all 3. No other character is.
Certainly, in terms of iconic, there is just no comparison between the two at all. Sharon IS EE.