BIB: It's extremely unlikely the Queen would have consented to provide DNA, not through any risk of something being proved or disproved but just because she wouldn't do that (provide DNA) and I doubt anyone would dare ask her Prince Philip is much more open about such things as I understand.
It certainly is interesting about Victoria's supposed parentage, stories have been flying for ages, the porphyria allegedly stopped at her (she didn't have it or not confirmed) out with her and haemophilia appeared. However I seem to remember reading that Prince William of Gloucester, the current Duke of Gloucester's older deceased brother and the Queen's cousin was alleged to have had porphyria. If it wasn't that, it was something else, need to do some re-reading.
Yes, but aren't they related through another line from George III as well?
I'm sure I've seen a book or a programme which shows evidence to suggest that porphyria continued through the line from Victoria, the Princess Royal.
I also thought I'd seen that the reason for Prince Philip is that he is descended from the female line from Queen Victoria through her daughter, grand-daughter and great-grand-daughter which is better. The Queen's mitochondrial DNA would lead back Bowes-Lyon-wards.
Yes, but aren't they related through another line from George III as well?
I'm sure I've seen a book or a programme which shows evidence to suggest that porphyria continued through the line from Victoria, the Princess Royal.
I also thought I'd seen that the reason for Prince Philip is that he is descended from the female line from Queen Victoria through her daughter, grand-daughter and great-grand-daughter which is better. The Queen's mitochondrial DNA would lead back Bowes-Lyon-wards.
BIB: Try reading the book "Purple Secret: Genes, 'Madness' and the Royal Houses of Europe"
Indeed, yes. When told by her doctor, after the birth of her 9th child, that she shouldn't have any more, she was quoted to have replied "Oh, does that mean no more fun in bed" (or words to that effect!)
Looking forward to this, QV is one of my favourite monarchs and I've read many books about her children as written by John Van der Kiste
Me too though it's difficult to find anything on Princess Helena
Me too though it's difficult to find anything on Princess Helena
There is a couple of screenful on her in the DNB.
She received a congratulatory telegram on her Golden Wedding Anniversary in 1916 from Kaiser Wilhelm II! She had five children but only one married and her marriage was dissolved without any children so the line died out.
It certainly is interesting about Victoria's supposed parentage, stories have been flying for ages, the porphyria allegedly stopped at her (she didn't have it or not confirmed) out with her and haemophilia appeared. However I seem to remember reading that Prince William of Gloucester, the current Duke of Gloucester's older deceased brother and the Queen's cousin was alleged to have had porphyria. If it wasn't that, it was something else, need to do some re-reading.
I have read on several occasions that Prince William of Gloucester (the Queen's cousin) had porphyria. He was killed in 1972 when the plane he was flying crashed, and it has been suggested that he had only recently found out that he had porphyria.
At one time there were rumours that Princess Margaret had porphyria, but when someone asked her outright in front of others if she did have it, she is said to have laughed and said, "No, it's not me that has it, it is Prince William of Gloucester." So it seems that it didn't disappear from the royal family at all.
I have read on several occasions that Prince William of Gloucester (the Queen's cousin) had porphyria. He was killed in 1972 when the plane he was flying crashed, and it has been suggested that he had only recently found out that he had porphyria.
At one time there were rumours that Princess Margaret had porphyria, but when someone asked her outright in front of others if she did have it, she is said to have laughed and said, "No, it's not me that has it, it is Prince William of Gloucester." So it seems that it didn't disappear from the royal family at all.
We will never know, but some members of the Royal Family must have one or the other...
I find this series very interesting and like many here, I find Queen Victoria quite fascinating. But she seems quite a ghastly, unsympathetic and heartless mother.
I find this series very interesting and like many here, I find Queen Victoria quite fascinating. But she seems quite a ghastly, unsympathetic and heartless mother.
I'm watching yesterday's episode as I write and I agree with you. A horrible woman
I just finished watching this on iPlayer and although it was interesting I think having it shown over 3 nights is a bit much.
Fits well in this week when schedules are disrupted by the holidays. Certainly enough material for three programmes without the endless padding and repeating you often get. Three consecutive nights makes it easier to remember the previous programme(s).
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I wonder who was playing choo-choo in the royal tunnel once Bert had shuffled off ?
Yes, but aren't they related through another line from George III as well?
I'm sure I've seen a book or a programme which shows evidence to suggest that porphyria continued through the line from Victoria, the Princess Royal.
I also thought I'd seen that the reason for Prince Philip is that he is descended from the female line from Queen Victoria through her daughter, grand-daughter and great-grand-daughter which is better. The Queen's mitochondrial DNA would lead back Bowes-Lyon-wards.
BIB: Try reading the book "Purple Secret: Genes, 'Madness' and the Royal Houses of Europe"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Purple-Secret-Madness-Houses-Europe/dp/0552145505/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1357145482&sr=8-6
I've got a copy somewhere, need to dig it out and read it again, it was very enjoyable and informative.
And yes, female descendent line is another reason for taking DNA from Prince Philip.
Me too
Me too though it's difficult to find anything on Princess Helena
Quite common then
There is a couple of screenful on her in the DNB.
She received a congratulatory telegram on her Golden Wedding Anniversary in 1916 from Kaiser Wilhelm II! She had five children but only one married and her marriage was dissolved without any children so the line died out.
They were first cousins Victoria's mother and Albert's father were brother and sister
I have read on several occasions that Prince William of Gloucester (the Queen's cousin) had porphyria. He was killed in 1972 when the plane he was flying crashed, and it has been suggested that he had only recently found out that he had porphyria.
At one time there were rumours that Princess Margaret had porphyria, but when someone asked her outright in front of others if she did have it, she is said to have laughed and said, "No, it's not me that has it, it is Prince William of Gloucester." So it seems that it didn't disappear from the royal family at all.
We will never know, but some members of the Royal Family must have one or the other...
Are all 3 eps up on i-player????
I must admit, I agree with her (including my own!).
I'm watching yesterday's episode as I write and I agree with you. A horrible woman
Wait until you see tonight's episode. She gets a hundred times worse...
I'm wondering if it's that transgender person ;)
Fits well in this week when schedules are disrupted by the holidays. Certainly enough material for three programmes without the endless padding and repeating you often get. Three consecutive nights makes it easier to remember the previous programme(s).
I thought it was an archetypical lesbian until I saw the name. Very odd.
Thanks.
I haven't read it and the reviews are not so brilliant but might be worth a try:
Helena - Princess Reclaimed: The Life and Times of Queen Victoria's 3rd Daughter [Paperback]
Seweryn Chomet (Author)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Helena-Princess-Reclaimed-Victorias-Daughter/dp/1567001459/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1357166583&sr=8-1