Well kids aren't usually the actual age they are portrayed as on screen, therefore more sensiable and mature. Also, it's just kissing in a mechancial sense, as there is no love between the actors in real life.
This is one of my favourite all time movie scenes ....... being a frog lover en all.
You have to watch this in proper surround sound to get the full impact where it moves from 'The Quiet Man' (mono) and then bursts into full surround. Makes me go all tingly every time.
WTF that is one of the creepiest things I've ever seen. Who directed it, Jimmy Savile?!
It's a creepy story though, Dickens wrote a masterpiece in emotional manipulation and warped retribution. Haversham effectively grooms the girl to make men love her and then destroy them as an act of vengeance to punish all men for what she had to endure.
In the context of the story, while it may seem a bit creepy, it does fit as this girl was bent to Havershams will and had wiles far beyond her years.
We all get what the film is trying to say, most people know the story, but there must be a way of doing it without turning it into what is almost child soft core porn. It's been a good few years since I read it but at no point in the book does it describe in detail what the kiss was like. Apart from one of the events that causes Pip to become infatuated.
No, can't justify that scene, it's creepy, uncomfortable and unlikeable. Not in an acceptable way, sadly.
We all get what the film is trying to say, most people know the story, but there must be a way of doing it without turning it into what is almost child soft core porn. It's been a good few years since I read it but at no point in the book does it describe in detail what the kiss was like. Apart from one of the events that causes Pip to become infatuated.
No, can't justify that scene, it's creepy, uncomfortable and unlikeable. Not in an acceptable way, sadly.
Im not sure two kids sharing one kiss can really be considered "almost child soft core porn", thats a little bit over the top.
The story is about a girl who uses wiles beyond her years, while im not sure such a scene was necessary as such, it does fit the character and it does serve to show the type of manipulation she was taught.
I'm not saying I would endorse this scene, frankly it is a bit unusual and a little unsettling, but neither would i condemn it out of hand.
It's a creepy story though, Dickens wrote a masterpiece in emotional manipulation and warped retribution. Haversham effectively grooms the girl to make men love her and then destroy them as an act of vengeance to punish all men for what she had to endure.
In the context of the story, while it may seem a bit creepy, it does fit as this girl was bent to Havershams will and had wiles far beyond her years.
I'm pretty sure other adaptations have managed to get those themes across without a salacious close-up of two kids French kissing. There's creepy... and then there's creepy.
This is one of my favourite all time movie scenes ....... being a frog lover en all.
You have to watch this in proper surround sound to get the full impact where it moves from 'The Quiet Man' (mono) and then bursts into full surround. Makes me go all tingly every time.
The Virgin Movie Yearbook said that that scene (with frogs leaping on and around Eleniak's patent leather shoes) "achieves a level of perverse eroticism worthy of Walerian Borowczyk at his best" (or something like that).
A very strange scene and unusual for the director to feel it has to shot in the way it was. What makes this particular scene even stranger is that the girl who played Estelle was only 9 years old at the time.
A very strange scene and unusual for the director to feel it has to shot in the way it was. What makes this particular scene even stranger is that the girl who played Estelle was only 9 years old at the time.
I definitely assumed she would have been at least 12. Just goes to show how unrealistic it is, you would never see kids in real life doing that at all.
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Even I'm confused as to how they managed to get them to do it.
Classic moment. Lots of frogs around.
WTF that is one of the creepiest things I've ever seen. Who directed it, Jimmy Savile?!
wow, was that her in ET..i didnt know that either lol
This is one of my favourite all time movie scenes ....... being a frog lover en all.
You have to watch this in proper surround sound to get the full impact where it moves from 'The Quiet Man' (mono) and then bursts into full surround. Makes me go all tingly every time.
It was 1998 so possibly yes. Just a creepy idea for a film, you wouldn't see that amongst adults in most of todays movies never mind children.
It's a creepy story though, Dickens wrote a masterpiece in emotional manipulation and warped retribution. Haversham effectively grooms the girl to make men love her and then destroy them as an act of vengeance to punish all men for what she had to endure.
In the context of the story, while it may seem a bit creepy, it does fit as this girl was bent to Havershams will and had wiles far beyond her years.
No, can't justify that scene, it's creepy, uncomfortable and unlikeable. Not in an acceptable way, sadly.
Im not sure two kids sharing one kiss can really be considered "almost child soft core porn", thats a little bit over the top.
The story is about a girl who uses wiles beyond her years, while im not sure such a scene was necessary as such, it does fit the character and it does serve to show the type of manipulation she was taught.
I'm not saying I would endorse this scene, frankly it is a bit unusual and a little unsettling, but neither would i condemn it out of hand.
I'm pretty sure other adaptations have managed to get those themes across without a salacious close-up of two kids French kissing. There's creepy... and then there's creepy.
The Virgin Movie Yearbook said that that scene (with frogs leaping on and around Eleniak's patent leather shoes) "achieves a level of perverse eroticism worthy of Walerian Borowczyk at his best" (or something like that).
I definitely assumed she would have been at least 12. Just goes to show how unrealistic it is, you would never see kids in real life doing that at all.
There's also this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA14VJJ_j8I
Going off the track a bit, I wonder why the films of Great Expectations portray Miss Havisham as an elderly woman?
In the novel, she was 39 when 8-year-old Pip first visited her home and 56 when she passed away.
Plenty of them in that video. Not sure if some of them are what you'd expect from children.