Going on for ever this Denise thing but without examination of some very real issues
• Denise and James certainly hit their timing bang on BUT without giving any feel for the music
• They were at all times technically correct in footwork, body shape and brilliant high speed lifts BUT especially in their show dance there was no story just one technically correct move after another in a cold remote manner
• They never at any time in the final shared the emotion of the dance, is that a point scorer? yes dancers are performing to and interpreting the mood and emotion of the particular dance, Denise and James did not and never appeared to share an emotion only the various techniques required
• In the final Louis and Kimberly did perform better than Denise on those issues above
• Kimberly dropped the very recent high standard in her show dance but Louis gave all his dances an improvement in performance and in particular matched technique with Denise and added the above ingredients
Due to the above (IMO) Louis show dance won the final
Denise was brilliant from week one but the partnership never gained warmth in performance and the early issues raised above are point’s losers or winners
Going on for ever this Denise thing but without examination of some very real issues
• Denise and James certainly hit their timing bang on BUT without giving any feel for the music
• They were at all times technically correct in footwork, body shape and brilliant high speed lifts BUT especially in their show dance there was no story just one technically correct move after another in a cold remote manner
• They never at any time in the final shared the emotion of the dance, is that a point scorer? yes dancers are performing to and interpreting the mood and emotion of the particular dance, Denise and James did not and never appeared to share an emotion only the various techniques required
• In the final Louis and Kimberly did perform better than Denise on those issues above
• Kimberly dropped the very recent high standard in her show dance but Louis gave all his dances an improvement in performance and in particular matched technique with Denise and added the above ingredients
Due to the above (IMO) Louis show dance won the final
Denise was brilliant from week one but the partnership never gained warmth in performance and the early issues raised above are point’s losers or winners
Denise wasn't at a 'Star Studded bash' - she was waiting for a night flight to Dubai with her parents and daughter (she tweeted from the airport - obviously, the journalist didn't think to actually check Denise's twitter to find out what she was doing). Lee wasn't alone - he tweeted that he was planning on meeting a friend and going out for NYE (he's currently in panto, hence not going to Dubai with Denise and family).
The poor thing. :rolleyes:
He's got nothing to be miserable about then. :rolleyes:
Yes, Louis's performance through the weeks was more or less an upward curve but Denise's virtually a straight line. The others to me were also-rans: a controversial point, I know.
Yes, Louis's performance through the weeks was more or less an upward curve but Denise's virtually a straight line. The others to me were also-rans: a controversial point, I know.
Yes, they all know each other and meet up, but I occasionally write the odd post about Louis and they write friendly replies.
Please come and join us in this thread - I only post there occasionally and don't know any of the others, but it's really friendly and we need people to keep posting
Please come and join us in this thread - I only post there occasionally and don't know any of the others, but it's really friendly and we need people to keep posting
Seconded. If you like Louis and Flavia and are suffering withdrawals then come on in. We're more like a support group now and there's some lovely links to click on.
Back on topic: Denise was not robbed, she just didn't manage to convince people that her dancing/performances were worth picking up the phone for. I actually didn't think she was the best dancer on the night and for once I did agree with the winner of the show. This wasn't a Colin vs Darren, or a Ricky vs Chris type final where the better dancer lost out to the "personality". This was a final where the best dancer/performer on the night won fairly and squarely!
Louis (unlike Denise) didn't shirk any of the dances throughout the series and for that alone he was a worthy winner.
Louis (unlike Denise) had a visible journey. We could all see the difference in his performance and technique in the final from when he first began dancing. Denise had stayed the same. Very good and technically proficient.
Louis sold all three of his dances in the final, Denise (surprisingly) seemed to be going through the motions. I didn't connect to her show dance; which was impressive but, it left me cold. I loved her Charlston but, I didn't see the improvement.
Louis won, and imo is one of the better winners of recent finals. I wouldn't have minded if Denise had won but, for the above reasons I'm glad she didn't.
If you like Louis and Flavia and are suffering withdrawals then come on in. We're more like a support group now and there's some lovely links to click on.
Back on topic: Denise was not robbed, she just didn't manage to convince people that her dancing/performances were worth picking up the phone for. I actually didn't think she was the best dancer on the night and for once I did agree with the winner of the show. This wasn't a Colin vs Darren, or a Ricky vs Chris type final where the better dancer lost out to the "personality". This was a final where the best dancer/performer on the night won fairly and squarely!
Louis (unlike Denise) didn't shirk any of the dances throughout the series and for that alone he was a worthy winner.
Louis (unlike Denise) had a visible journey. We could all see the difference in his performance and technique in the final from when he first began dancing. Denise had stayed the same. Very good and technically proficient.
Louis sold all three of his dances in the final, Denise (surprisingly) seemed to be going through the motions. I didn't connect to her show dance; which was impressive but, it left me cold. I loved her Charlston but, I didn't see the improvement.
Louis won, and imo is one of the better winners of recent finals. I wouldn't have minded if Denise had won but, for the reasons given above I'm glad she didn't.
Seconded this post.
No Denise was not robbed. She might have been a technically proficient dancer, but she was pretty much the same throughout the show. She didnt appear to be able to appeal to the viewers/voters on a personal level and most of her dancing did not draw me in emotionally.
The showdance was better than I thought it might be but it was still just a lift fest. It still left me cold. And it certainly didnt leave me spellbound.
No Denise was not robbed. She might have been a technically proficient dancer, but she was pretty much the same throughout the show. She didnt appear to be able to appeal to the viewers/voters on a personal level and most of her dancing did not draw me in emotionally.
The showdance was better than I thought it might be but it was still just a lift fest. It still left me cold. And it certainly didnt leave me spellbound.
I couldn't have said it better myself!! (so I wont)
To be fair to ALL the slebs - if you make it through to the final you are going to be VERY slim and toned!! (at least compared to how you were when you started)
To be fair to ALL the slebs - if you make it through to the final you are going to be VERY slim and toned!! (at least compared to how you were when you started)
JJ - with a fine eye for the female form!!:D:D
Plus, Denise was slim and physically fit to begin with, so it's not as if she came to Strictly unfit and obese. Unfortunately, 'slim, toned, physically fit woman is a bit more toned and physically fit' isn't much of a story.
I didn't take to her from the start and I never felt emotionally engaged by the choreography (James' fault?) but there were still moments when I was gobsmacked at the quality of her craftsmanship.
I loved Kimberley and Pasha from their first dance and very quickly got bored,even irritated by some of the others.Nicky Byrne seemed to love getting into the character of his routines and I delighted in sharing Victoria's (shaky) journey,but most of them just got harder to watch....except Denise who much as I would like to have dismissed her,gradually won my respect.
Indeed,if Kimberley had not made the final,I would have bunged a few votes Denise's way.
(My mother,who doesn't normally vote,voted in the final for Denise.)
Anybody who can win me over the way she did has a fair claim to have been 'robbed'.
I didn't take to her from the start and I never felt emotionally engaged by the choreography (James' fault?) but there were still moments when I was gobsmacked at the quality of her craftsmanship.
I loved Kimberley and Pasha from their first dance and very quickly got bored,even irritated by some of the others.Nicky Byrne seemed to love getting into the character of his routines and I delighted in sharing Victoria's (shaky) journey,but most of them just got harder to watch....except Denise who much as I would like to have dismissed her,gradually won my respect.
Indeed,if Kimberley had not made the final,I would have bunged a few votes Denise's way.
(My mother,who doesn't normally vote,voted in the final for Denise.)
Anybody who can win me over the way she did has a fair claim to have been 'robbed'.
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We don't all know each other - where did that come from!?
• Denise and James certainly hit their timing bang on BUT without giving any feel for the music
• They were at all times technically correct in footwork, body shape and brilliant high speed lifts BUT especially in their show dance there was no story just one technically correct move after another in a cold remote manner
• They never at any time in the final shared the emotion of the dance, is that a point scorer? yes dancers are performing to and interpreting the mood and emotion of the particular dance, Denise and James did not and never appeared to share an emotion only the various techniques required
• In the final Louis and Kimberly did perform better than Denise on those issues above
• Kimberly dropped the very recent high standard in her show dance but Louis gave all his dances an improvement in performance and in particular matched technique with Denise and added the above ingredients
Due to the above (IMO) Louis show dance won the final
Denise was brilliant from week one but the partnership never gained warmth in performance and the early issues raised above are point’s losers or winners
That's a good post.
The poor thing. :rolleyes:
He's got nothing to be miserable about then. :rolleyes:
Louis was a class-act.
Please come and join us in this thread - I only post there occasionally and don't know any of the others, but it's really friendly and we need people to keep posting
Seconded.
Back on topic: Denise was not robbed, she just didn't manage to convince people that her dancing/performances were worth picking up the phone for. I actually didn't think she was the best dancer on the night and for once I did agree with the winner of the show. This wasn't a Colin vs Darren, or a Ricky vs Chris type final where the better dancer lost out to the "personality". This was a final where the best dancer/performer on the night won fairly and squarely!
Louis won, and imo is one of the better winners of recent finals. I wouldn't have minded if Denise had won but, for the above reasons I'm glad she didn't.
Seconded this post.
No Denise was not robbed. She might have been a technically proficient dancer, but she was pretty much the same throughout the show. She didnt appear to be able to appeal to the viewers/voters on a personal level and most of her dancing did not draw me in emotionally.
The showdance was better than I thought it might be but it was still just a lift fest. It still left me cold. And it certainly didnt leave me spellbound.
I couldn't have said it better myself!! (so I wont)
JJ
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2258202/Denise-Van-Outen-shows-trim-physique-months-training.html
To be fair to ALL the slebs - if you make it through to the final you are going to be VERY slim and toned!! (at least compared to how you were when you started)
JJ - with a fine eye for the female form!!:D:D
Plus, Denise was slim and physically fit to begin with, so it's not as if she came to Strictly unfit and obese. Unfortunately, 'slim, toned, physically fit woman is a bit more toned and physically fit' isn't much of a story.
I didn't take to her from the start and I never felt emotionally engaged by the choreography (James' fault?) but there were still moments when I was gobsmacked at the quality of her craftsmanship.
I loved Kimberley and Pasha from their first dance and very quickly got bored,even irritated by some of the others.Nicky Byrne seemed to love getting into the character of his routines and I delighted in sharing Victoria's (shaky) journey,but most of them just got harder to watch....except Denise who much as I would like to have dismissed her,gradually won my respect.
Indeed,if Kimberley had not made the final,I would have bunged a few votes Denise's way.
(My mother,who doesn't normally vote,voted in the final for Denise.)
Anybody who can win me over the way she did has a fair claim to have been 'robbed'.
http://i.imgur.com/dvaDp.gif
Me too, I stole that from a post on Monkseal's blog.
There's some good comments in the worst rated on the DM, I always look there first
It's the zombie thread,just won't lay down
Truly a zombie thread in that it seems to have eaten quite a few brains...
Love this comment by a reader of the DM article:-
At least 1 DM reader with a SoH !!