Does the State of Israel exist?

Aye UpAye Up Posts: 7,053
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I ask this question purely based on the fact that without American military backing it is likely it would crumble. I recalled them unilaterally declaring the state of israel without American backing initially, they later fell in line. The "Holy Land" on which Israel claims dominion was never meant to be claimed for one individual faith or religion. It is interesting how the majority Islamic countries do not recognise Israel, or have no diplomatic relations. Based on past and current U.N. charters Israel doesn't even have a right to exist, yet it is remarkable how it is recognised by most Western economies. Interestingly some see the establishment of Zion as acceptable based on the results of the holocaust (is so which holocaust as there was more than one?). Israel has declared dominion over a land which was never intended to belong to one people. Sadly we have the terrible situation in which many human rights abuses are committed by Israel, in how they treat Palestinians not allowing free trade.

Does the state of Israel have a legal right to exist based on interational law and conventions?
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  • MajlisMajlis Posts: 31,362
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    Aye Up wrote: »
    The "Holy Land" on which Israel claims dominion was never meant to be claimed for one individual faith or religion.

    Says who?
    Does the state of Israel have a legal right to exist based on interational law and conventions?

    Well it is recognised as a sovereign state by every single major international organisation, so I would say the answer is yes.
  • paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    Just checked the map and yes it there , try looking just on the right hand side of the Mediterranean Sea :rolleyes:
  • thomas painthomas pain Posts: 2,318
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    Just checked the map and yes it there , try looking just on the right hand side of the Mediterranean Sea :rolleyes:

    but its not on my map. :D
  • dosanjh1dosanjh1 Posts: 8,727
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    You've acknowledged that it does exist with your first sentance, I.e. "it" would crumble without American support.

    According to wiki a sovereign state is:

    ".......a political organization with a centralized government that has supreme independent authority over a geographic area. It has a permanent population, a government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states."

    Israel meets this definition completely.

    The question of should have the right to exist is irrelevant; they do and that's the end of it.
  • thomas painthomas pain Posts: 2,318
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    i think the real question is - should a Jewish Israel exist .. my answer is no.

    I would support a non-Jewish Israel.
  • BrokenArrowBrokenArrow Posts: 21,665
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    i think the real question is - should a Jewish Israel exist .. my answer is no.

    I would support a non-Jewish Israel.

    I agree, its an artificial state.
  • PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    Aye Up wrote: »

    Does the state of Israel have a legal right to exist based on interational law and conventions?

    Yes it does.
  • smudges dadsmudges dad Posts: 36,989
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    It does, but it shouldn't
  • GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    It was a mistake for the Israeli state to be created, but now it does it cannot be "uncreated".

    What is wrong is their continual defiance of international law by extending their territory by means of building illegal settlements, often populated by fanatics.

    The displaced Palestinian people have a right to live in a sovereign state based on 1967 borders.
  • Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    It is of interest to Jewish Israel to come to a permanent solution otherwise in a relatively few years the Jewish State will cease to exist
  • coolmum123coolmum123 Posts: 1,467
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    Wasn't it the British who gave them that landmass after the second world war? Not sure what conditions had been attached to them living side by side with the Palestinians at the time of handover. :confused:
  • BeanybunBeanybun Posts: 3,505
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    I'm glad to see all the fruit loops, nut jobs and socialist workers have gravitated to this inane thread. Perhaps they would be kind enough to stay here and metaphorically play with themselves?!
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    i think the real question is - should a Jewish Israel exist .. my answer is no.

    I would support a non-Jewish Israel.

    wtf is a non jewish israel?

    are you saying that your objection is not political, you just don't like jews?
  • CMCM Posts: 33,235
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    Yes it's there :)

    And many countries in the world only exist because of military even UK :rolleyes:
  • GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    Beanybun wrote: »
    I'm glad to see all the fruit loops, nut jobs and socialist workers have gravitated to this inane thread. Perhaps they would be kind enough to stay here and metaphorically play with themselves?!

    In what category do you fall then?
  • BrooklynBoyBrooklynBoy Posts: 10,595
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    i think the real question is - should a Jewish Israel exist .. my answer is no.

    I would support a non-Jewish Israel.

    Are you keen to see a non Islamic Republic of Iran too? Or is this a Jewish thing?
  • John146John146 Posts: 12,926
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    coolmum123 wrote: »
    Wasn't it the British who gave them that landmass after the second world war? Not sure what conditions had been attached to them living side by side with the Palestinians at the time of handover. :confused:

    The UN were instrumental in setting up the State of Israel.

    Link:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/v3_ip_timeline/html/1947.stm
  • barky99barky99 Posts: 3,921
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    Israeli state exists BUT it's borders remain undefined .... strange setup
  • AftershowAftershow Posts: 10,021
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    Majlis wrote: »
    Says who?

    God said so, obviously.
  • TelevisionUserTelevisionUser Posts: 41,395
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    John146 wrote: »
    The UN were instrumental in setting up the State of Israel.

    Link:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/v3_ip_timeline/html/1947.stm

    ...and that underpins Israel's full legitimacy as a separate state as does UN resolution 181: http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/7f0af2bd897689b785256c330061d253

    However, the Palestinians are equally entitled to a viable state of their own as President Obama quite rightly stated in his speech in Jerusalem last week:
    Palestinians have a right to be a free people in their own land.

    ...the Palestinian people's right to self-determination and justice must also be recognized.

    ...and that an independent Palestine must be viable– that real borders will have to be drawn.

    Unfortunately, threads about the current impasse in the Middle East seem to attract the usual suspects comprising the extreme right, the far left and militants all motivated by the same outlook: prejudice.

    Genuine progressives ought instead to be supporting those charities, civic groups, peace movements and political parties that seek to bring Palestinians and Israelis together and that press for peace.
  • BlairdennonBlairdennon Posts: 14,207
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    It was a mistake for the Israeli state to be created, but now it does it cannot be "uncreated".

    What is wrong is their continual defiance of international law by extending their territory by means of building illegal settlements, often populated by fanatics.

    The displaced Palestinian people have a right to live in a sovereign state based on 1967 borders.

    The rhetoric and the actions of the Arab nations prior to 1967 and subsequently would not incline me to trust the maintenance of the 67 borders in perpetuity. If you say you will sweep the Jews into the sea as a Jewish person would you believe that, most especially when gunmen were continually infiltrating your narrow borders prior to 67?
  • tour de forcetour de force Posts: 4,029
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    but its not on my map. :D


    You must have bought your map from the world renowned emporium for conscientious cartographers.
    #Hamasshop.
  • tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    yes the State of Israel exist, and would fight to the last man women and child, to save it self from people who would like to make it vanish off the face of the world
  • GibsonSGGibsonSG Posts: 23,681
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    Aye Up wrote: »
    I ask this question purely based on the fact that without American military backing it is likely it would crumble.

    I think they have done quite well without American backing and they did quite well without American backing when they fought the British for independence. The only reason the US is interested in Israel is because they support their interests in the Middle East. So yes of course the State of Israel exists.
  • Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    tim59 wrote: »
    yes the State of Israel exist, and would fight to the last man women and child, to save it self from people who would like to make it vanish off the face of the world
    You don't understand - under the current situation Israel will stop being a Jewish State even if it's enemies did not except drink coffee and play backgammon for the next 50 years.
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