Is it time to consider a different type of BBC?

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  • Musicman103Musicman103 Posts: 2,238
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    miles19740 wrote: »
    Quit moaning about the licence fee...and just pay up. The BBC is the best we have.

    The BBC, the best of British broadcasting.

    It's not the fee, it's what they spend the money on.
  • Bedsit BobBedsit Bob Posts: 24,344
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    kimbobill wrote: »
    But your quite happy to feed for free off the people that have paid for the production of radio, internet and television through the tvl?

    I'm also quite happy for classic car drivers to use the roads, without paying anything for the VELs.

    Swings and Roundabouts.
  • Bedsit BobBedsit Bob Posts: 24,344
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    miles19740 wrote: »
    I wouldn't buy a tax disk if I didn't own a car

    So the answer is NO.

    By the same token, I don't buy a TV Licence, because I don't watch live TV.
  • PiazzaCharliePiazzaCharlie Posts: 1,471
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    It's not the fee, it's what they spend the money on.

    A huge range of stuff, a lot of which is pretty good, out of which most people find something that interests them. Not sure what else they should be spending the money on.
  • Musicman103Musicman103 Posts: 2,238
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    mossy2103 wrote: »




    So which came first? The rise i n popularity of BTL, or property programmes? Did property programmes thrive on the back of something that was already gaining in acceptance?

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    Perhaps it did, but there have been a glut of property programmes on and I want to know why they are allowed to perform what is so obviously a ramping exercise.

    Why don't they run a DAILY show about gold specualtion? That is gaining popularity too as the price is forever rising.

    I don't want public money being spent producing crap that shows people how to make 'property their pension'. We have a housing crisis in this country and whilst the beeb didn't cause it, they added ingredients to the mix. They wouldn't allow the chairman of a tobacco manufacturer to go on and advocate smoking, even though plenty of people already do it Martin Roberts and Lucy Alexander are heavily into BTL. He has written a book and runs seminars showing how you can make great riches by dabbling in property

    http://www.makingmoneyfromproperty.tv/categories/20080121_7


    Even now, with prices sticking or sliding, they are STILL running these shows. Some are repeats from 3 or 4 years ago. The bank lending has dried up but good old Auntie wants to keep the property dream alive. So they show OLD shows to convince people that there is still money to be made.
  • mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,307
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    Perhaps it did, but there have been a glut of property programmes on and I want to know why they are allowed to perform what is so obviously a ramping exercise.
    you keep on using this "ramping" word - please explain it.

    And why wouldn't property programmes be simplyfollowing viewers' interests by fulfilling viewer demand rather than setting a trend?

    And why wouldn't property shows on other channels, notably C4 and ITV1, had any involvement in your "ramping"?

    Indeed, I have watched many episodes of Homes Under the Hammer and have never once felt that getting into BTL was a good move for me.

    Why don't they run a show about gold specualtion? That is gaining popularity too as the price is forever rising
    Maybe because this "ramping" thing of yours does not exist? Maybe because there is simply no interest from the viewrs and therefore no demand for such a programme?.
    I don't want public money being spent producing crap that shows people how to make 'property their pension'.
    They don't, At least, not the ones that I have seen.
    We have a housing crisis in this country and whilst the beeb didn't cause it, they added ingredients to the mix.

    And if the BBC did add any ingredients to that mix (and that is by no means proven), so did C4 with their Sarah Beeney programmes, so did ITV with their 60-min makeover programmes, so did C4 with their Grand Designs programmes (yes, you too can live in a swanky, expensive green abode if you have £750,000 to spare, a nice plot of land and have excellent project management skills)

    Even now, with prices sticking or sliding, they are STILL running these shows. Some are repeats from 3 or 4 years ago. The bank lending has dried up but good old Auntie wants to keep the property dream alive.
    So the BBC should simply bin the programmes yet to be aired, scrap the repeats and replace the blanks in the schedules with .....what exactly?

    And yes, some are repeats, and they clearly state the prices then along with the date. So it's clear to all if prices have slid or not (and therefore clear that property is not necessarily "a sound investment").
    So they show OLD shows to convince people that there is still money to be made.
    Following on from my last point, I presume that you have proof for that, or is that simply your opinion driven by your agenda? If you have proof that is the BBC's intention, please post it here, or let the BBC Trust know, as I am sure many people will be interested.
  • miles19740miles19740 Posts: 14,205
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    Cameron has just said on the BBC that he believes in the BBC and a strong BBC...funded by the licence fee. Good news people.

    He has been on Andrew Marr for the last quarter of an hour. No socialists yet...getting cross!
  • mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,307
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    miles19740 wrote: »
    Cameron has just said on the BBC that he believes in the BBC and a strong BBC...funded by the licence fee. Good news people.

    And you believe everything that Cameron says?
  • Musicman103Musicman103 Posts: 2,238
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    mossy2103 wrote: »

    And why wouldn't property shows on other channels, notably C4 and ITV1, had any involvement in your "ramping"?

    They do but I don't fund them
  • miles19740miles19740 Posts: 14,205
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    They do but I don't fund them

    All the products you buy fund the commercial sector. Nothing in this world is free...
  • mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,307
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    They do but I don't fund them
    In some respects, you do (via advertising, and that advertising is paid for out of the sales of products that you and I pay for,). There is no such thing as a free lunch!
  • miles19740miles19740 Posts: 14,205
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    mossy2103 wrote: »
    And you believe everything that Cameron says?

    Sadly, I don't trust any of the politicians...but in the interest of balance, I thought I'd mention it. 'Call Me Dave' had a twenty slot on Andrew Marr this morning.
  • mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,307
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    miles19740 wrote: »
    Sadly, I don't trust any of the politicians...but in the interest of balance, I thought I'd mention it. 'Call Me Dave' had a twenty slot on Andrew Marr this morning.

    Did he get an easy ride?
  • derek500derek500 Posts: 24,887
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    miles19740 wrote: »
    Cameron has just said on the BBC that he believes in the BBC and a strong BBC...funded by the licence fee. Good news people.

    He has been on Andrew Marr for the last quarter of an hour. No socialists yet...getting cross!

    Perhaps that was why they had two 'from the left' doing the papers, to balance the show?
  • Musicman103Musicman103 Posts: 2,238
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    mossy2103 wrote: »

    Indeed, I have watched many episodes of Homes Under the Hammer and have never once felt that getting into BTL was a good move for me.

    I see products advertised and don't buy them, so advertising doesn't work.



    Following on from my last point, I presume that you have proof for that, or is that simply your opinion driven by your agenda? If you have proof that is the BBC's intention, please post it here, or let the BBC Trust know, as I am sure many people will be interested.

    What is my agenda? I have no interest in BTL or specualtion of any kind.

    Perhaps you can provide PROOF that I have any agenda?
  • mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,307
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    I see products advertised and don't buy them, so advertising doesn't work.
    Same here, in fact some adverts push me away from the product (Go Compare being a prime example). But both of us still buy other products from the same company or conglomerate, or other products that are advertised elsewhere.

    What is my agenda? I have no interest in BTL or specualtion of any kind.
    OK, so you have sidestepped my proof query. It must be your opinion then.

    Your agenda that the BBC is "rampimg up" the housing market, that it is promoting BTL and enticing or encouraging viewers to enter that market. All with absolutely no proof at all.
    Perhaps you can provide PROOF that I have any agenda?
    The PROOF (sic) is in your posts, and the wording thereof, in this very thread.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 660
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    Perhaps it did, but there have been a glut of property programmes on and I want to know why they are allowed to perform what is so obviously a ramping exercise.

    Why don't they run a DAILY show about gold specualtion? That is gaining popularity too as the price is forever rising.

    I don't want public money being spent producing crap that shows people how to make 'property their pension'. We have a housing crisis in this country and whilst the beeb didn't cause it, they added ingredients to the mix. They wouldn't allow the chairman of a tobacco manufacturer to go on and advocate smoking, even though plenty of people already do it Martin Roberts and Lucy Alexander are heavily into BTL. He has written a book and runs seminars showing how you can make great riches by dabbling in property

    http://www.makingmoneyfromproperty.tv/categories/20080121_7w


    Even now, with prices sticking or sliding, they are STILL running these shows. Some are repeats from 3 or 4 years ago. The bank lending has dried up but good old Auntie wants to keep the property dream alive. So they show OLD shows to convince people that there is still money to be made.

    What utter tosh! Glut of programs? you have a show on BBC1, 1 hour during the morning, that shows what's happening at the auctions with the fluctuation of the housing market and what people do with the properties most make money and a few lose out, they also show the dates when brought and the follow up valuation.
    The second show on BBC2 also 1 hour is to help people find a property in the country, Escape to.. There used to be another help type program to buy or not to buy and that finished a few years back, considering we are a nation of house buyers I don't see that as a glut do you? or are you mixing Channel 4 up with the BBC?
    Just because I don't like a program it shouldn't be made? So what should they put on in place of this glut of programming?
  • miles19740miles19740 Posts: 14,205
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    mossy2103 wrote: »
    Did he get an easy ride?

    I would say the questioning was robust but polite...the answers interesting. He didn't get an easy ride, but that is what the BBC should be doing...holding power to account.
  • miles19740miles19740 Posts: 14,205
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    derek500 wrote: »
    Perhaps that was why they had two 'from the left' doing the papers, to balance the show?

    I didn't see the first half...but ok...if that happened, that's good. Balance is what we need.
  • mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,307
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    miles19740 wrote: »
    I would say the questioning was robust but polite...the answers interesting. He didn't get an easy ride, but that is what the BBC should be doing...holding power to account.
    Perhaps they should have tried to get Jeremy Hunt on ........
  • miles19740miles19740 Posts: 14,205
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    mossy2103 wrote: »
    Perhaps they should have tried to get Jeremy Hunt on ........

    They may have tried, but perhaps he was appearing on the Murdoch channel instead. ;)
  • Musicman103Musicman103 Posts: 2,238
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    kimbobill wrote: »
    What utter tosh! Glut of programs? you have a show on BBC1, 1 hour during the morning, that shows what's happening at the auctions with the fluctuation of the housing market and what people do with the properties most make money and a few lose out, they also show the dates when brought and the follow up valuation.
    The second show on BBC2 also 1 hour is to help people find a property in the country, Escape to.. There used to be another help type program to buy or not to buy and that finished a few years back, considering we are a nation of house buyers I don't see that as a glut do you? or are you mixing Channel 4 up with the BBC?
    Just because I don't like a program it shouldn't be made? So what should they put on in place of this glut of programming?

    Well just because you can't recognise property ramping, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. More fool you.

    Have you seen Martin Robert's website?

    HUTH has been running since 2003. Escape to the country since before that. Even Ch4 has had a break (or even wound down) their property programme scheduling.
  • Dan's DadDan's Dad Posts: 9,880
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    They do but I don't fund them
    How then are the commercial channels funded, if not by the end purchaser of the advertised goods and services?
  • Musicman103Musicman103 Posts: 2,238
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    mossy2103 wrote: »
    Same here, in fact some adverts push me away from the product (Go Compare being a prime example). But both of us still buy other products from the same company or conglomerate, or other products that are advertised elsewhere.


    OK, so you have sidestepped my proof query. It must be your opinion then.

    Your agenda that the BBC is "rampimg up" the housing market, that it is promoting BTL and enticing or encouraging viewers to enter that market. All with absolutely no proof at all.

    The PROOF (sic) is in your posts, and the wording thereof, in this very thread.

    I will start to answer questions and provide 'proof' when you do the same.

    Where is your proof that I have an agenda? (you sidestepped that too)

    Tell me what my agenda is, becuase I honestly don't know what it is.:confused:
  • Musicman103Musicman103 Posts: 2,238
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    Dan's Dad wrote: »
    How then are the commercial channels funded, if not by the end purchaser of the advertised goods and services?

    Do I buy the same goods/services that are advertised on TV?
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