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Sound Bar or Surround Sound speakers
bgtension
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I have a fairly large living room and am looking at investing in improving the sound quality of my TV.
My question is simple (although the answers may not be:)), should I purchase a sound bar (I've been looking at the new Bose one) or a wired surround sound speaker system?
My question is simple (although the answers may not be:)), should I purchase a sound bar (I've been looking at the new Bose one) or a wired surround sound speaker system?
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If you want the best possible sound then a proper AV amp and speakers would do the job better than any sound bar. You also have to factor in how easy (or otherwise) it is to run the cables to the rear speaker positions.
And there is of course the domestic factor. If you are a bloke and married then SWMBO may not like wires trailing around the place
And I am no fan of BOSE (an acronym for Buy Other Sound Equipment ). Bose tends to be initially impressive but you soon find that it is not as good as the price tag would lead you to believe. You can certainly do better for the money.
A halfway house compromise might be this
http://www.richersounds.com/product/speaker-packages/onkyo/htx22hdx/onky-htx22hdx-blk
At first sight it looks like a bog standard pair of speakers and sub. But it is in fact a fairly capable AV system. The sub houses a pretty decent AV amp with loads of connections for external kit (eg Sky/Freesat/Freeview box, Blu-Ray, DVD, games console etc). And although you can start out as a 2.1 system it can be upgraded to full 5.1 surround by adding the optional speaker kit.
And of course you haven't mentioned any sort of budget or whether you want to add Blu-Ray/DVD or whatever capabilities.
Many thanks for the detailed response:)
Excuse my ignorance, but can you just connect the audio up straight from the Sky+ box without having to go via the TV?
If so presumably you have to mute the TV then?
In some instances the soundbar connects to the TV headphone socket which would mute the TV speakers automatically. Better units use either a digital connection to the TV or the Audio Return Channel on HDMI if both sound system and TV support it.
With something like the Onkyo system you would plug all the external kit into the HDMI sockets on the sub. Just have the one lead from the sub to the TV. The Onkyo then acts as the source select switch and noise maker for the telly and the telly just becomes a display panel.
If you set the Onkyo up in the appropriate manner then it sucks all the audio data out of the HDMI connection and only send pictures to the telly. So even if you cranked the TV speakers up to 11 they wouldn't make any noise.
Sky is slightly odd in that it only does stereo via HDMI for full surround you need the digital audio output. But if you were only using the Onkyo in 2.1 mode then that wouldn't be an issue. And if you did expand it to full 5.1then you can configure it to take pass on the pictures from HDMI and take audio from a digital input. All on one press of the remote button.
That's a good one
After demo'ing the Solo to various people, alonside other sound bars or 2.1 systems the Solo has sold itself.
The main thing to bear in mind is that it's aimed at people that WANT really simple audio solutions. The Solo fits the bill precisely but will not suit everyone & for the same money you can get a more complex, maybe better sounding system.
In some cases it's like comparing apples & oranges.
With the option to have 2.1 or ad speakers up to 5.1 it's very flexible. I have mine as a 3.1 at the moment which works well....
Good luck with whatever you chose.
The.1 means the subwoofer. So a 2.1 speaker set up would usually incorporate 2 front speakers and a subwoofer; 3.1= 2 front speakers, centre speaker and sub and so on.
And I'll tell you why, dialogue is mixed very quietly so you have to crank the volume right up to hear the voices, and then WHAM, some effect kicks like an explosion or such like and your living room light up sonically, the effect is quite amazing but incredibly, stupidly loud, make no mistake.
So becuase you don't want to fall out with your neighbours you keep the volume turned down and you struggle to hear the dialogue, ruining the experience.
Yes people will say you can alter the balance but I have a decent Sony AV amp and I've never been able to satisfactorily balance it out without turning it down overall, I do have large floorstanders as well though. I keep the bass at -10db, yes that all the way down.
Oh and the cables will get on your nerves.
Get a soundbar.
On my Onkyo amp it is a couple of button presses to get this adjustment up so I can crank the centre speaker up to 11 to hear the dialogue and keep the effects at a civilised volume. It also has what it calls Dynamic Volume, (what I would call a Compressor), which is pretty effective at reducing the dynamic range so the difference between dialogue and effects is not so pronounced.
And it is nothing at all to do with having a full AV system or a soundbar. If the dialogue is mixed low and the effects high it will be like that regardless of what you are listening to. Unless the disk player is downmixing the sound track to stereo for the soundbar and boosts the centre channel level.
I can't say I've had problems hearing dialogue. Are you sure everything is set up correctly?
Not when you've buried them in the walls / concealed them behind the skirting boards...
A decent one will be a lot better than the TV sound, but it won't be as good as a decent discrete setup.
I think a soundbar is probably the best option as that seems to be the simplest solution.
I suppose my next question is which one? Are Bose better?
Or if you are a real nerd use a sound level meter to trim them to with in 0.000001dB of each other
But once that is done I can tweak the Centre and Sub levels separately when listening to a TV programme or Blu-Ray disk if necessary using a separate menu on the amp.
Another thing to check is that the +ve and-ve speaker terminals are the correct way round. You could get some odd things happening if the centre speaker was out of phase with the rest of the system.
In my personal opinion you are paying a considerable premium for the badge on the front of Bose kit. Not saying it is absolute rubbish but perhaps not as good as the high prices they seem to charge would justify.
And the only Bose soundbar I can find appears to retail at around the £1200 to £1300 mark! Ouch!!! I wouldn't pay that for one certainly. I'd save myself the thick end of a grand and get something like this instead
http://www.richersounds.com/product/soundbars/yamaha/yhts401/yama-yhts401
Which also has a FM tuner built in if you like that sort of thing.
Doesn't yours have a volume control ?
The same comment would apply to a soundbar of similar power using loudspeakers of similar efficiency.
Normally if it sounds very large it's down to a cheap amplifier introducing horrendous amounts of dynamic distortion into a poor speaker system.
Try listening to say a brass band in the street, it won't be specatulary loud. Now replay a similar source over your home system to a similar level, the nearer it sounds to the original the better the quality.
Listen to the sound of distant thunder on a good system you will find it hard to tell which is real and which is recorded (dynamic range).
Modern tiny speakers paIred with a seperate bass speaker (subwoofer) are capable of amazing sound. The comprimise in building these tiny designs is lack of acoustic efficiency (they take a lot driving). A tiny satellite speaker driven at say 60W RMS will sound a lot quieter than a large reflex enclosure paired with just a 15W RMS amplifier. That's the reason why AV amps have big power outputs, mine has 170W over 5 channels. It's not any any louder in Stereo mode than an old decent Leak amp is when driving big floor standing speakers.
You won't ever see the audience duck as the zeros in Pearl Harbour scream over your head in Pearl Harbour using a sound bar (not a recommendation for the film, it's generally rubbish), but the attack sequence on Pearl Harbour and the subsequent bomb exploding in the Arizona's magazine is pretty amazing if you have decent audio kit.
Still looking for the bullet holes in my walls
What about this one:-
http://www.bose.co.uk/GB/en/home-and-personal-audio/home-cinema-and-sound-for-tv/sound-for-tv/bose-solo-tv-sound-system/
I have had two Yamaha sound bars. My first sound bar was the YHT S400 ( the YHT S401 which another poster has mentioned is the later model, but is pretty similar to the original). I now have the Yamaha YSP 2200 sound bar, which uses a completely different technology. Instead of using digital filtering to fool your ears into believing you are hearing surround sound, it uses radio waves which bounce off the walls of your room to provide the equivalent of a 7.1 set up.
It is absolutely incredible how the technology works when you listen to it. It comes with a separate sub and a single sound bar and is set up by using a supplied mic which effectively measures the dimensions of your room and then sets the paramaters automatically. You can alter these afterwards or set it up manually. I paid £699 for mine.
I have heard some of the Bose systems but for the money I think they are massively overpriced and in my opinion don't sound anywhere near as good as the Yamaha ones that I have heard.
http://www.whathifi.com/Review/Yamaha-YSP-2200/
I have to admit, that was the technology I thought all sound bars used, but I probably only ever looked at high-end ones.
Some only do stereo. I have also seen ones with a centre speaker built in as well. But by no means do all sound bars try to create virtual surround speakers.
From what I've seen (and unfortunately heard :eek::)) in some people's homes good sound is somewhere down the bottom of their priority list.
I think most of them don't (though I stand to be corrected as I haven't looked at this recently), the Yamaha sound projectors do but even with Yamaha the lower end models don't as someone pointed out to me in another thread (I read sound projector from the brief advertising blurb and told someone that the Yamaha device would project like mine whereas in fact the blurb was wrong and it didn't).
Accepting 5.1 and bouncing off walls to create surround sound are two different things, to do the second requires a microphone and set up procedure.