Jimmy Saville to be revealed as a paedophile? (Part 7)

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  • lexi22lexi22 Posts: 16,394
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    Isn't Shona Sibary just another one of the troll writers a la Brick and Jones from the DM?

    I very much doubt her above account has any basis in fact.
  • jerseyporterjerseyporter Posts: 2,332
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    lexi22 wrote: »
    Isn't Shona Sibary just another one of the troll writers a la Brick and Jones from the DM?

    I very much doubt her above account has any basis in fact.

    Like I say, I wouldn't normally say I had anything in common with her, but apart from the sleeping with him for 18 months bit, she could have lifted that story (whole phrases sometimes) from my teenage diary. And I'm not making that up! It reads as an extremely recognisable account.

    The danger when we look at a journalist and dismiss them out of hand just because of their track record, is that we are in danger of missing things that may have more meaning/truth. It may be inappropriate to make this analogy, but weren't a lot of the girls at the school where Savile preyed on vulnerable pupils dismissed as 'not being truthful' because of their established reputations as trouble-makers and fantasists? Which is why when they did express genuine distress and concern about Savile's behaviour they weren't believed? The word 'troll' wasn't invented then in this context, but to use the modern vernacular, didn't some of the staff effectively dismiss them as 'regular trolls' and so miss the significance of the factual events when they happened, just as you have dismissed Ms Sibary as a 'regular troll' because of other things she has written you haven't liked/believed to be true? Can you honestly say that it's fair to dismiss everything she says as potentially untrue or made up just because of that? Or are you implying she is re-telling someone else's story and making it 'her' story and that's the bit you are doubting?

    But the essence of what she's saying - to me it rings true in every single sentence, and reads as if I'd written it myself/published my diary online! (Other than the 18 month 'affair', that is - not that I'd have turned him down if he'd offered... I'd have married him if I could have, my teenage brain thinking I'd found the man of my dreams, regardless of the fact he was already married with two children!). There are some particular words and phrases which could only have come from the memories of someone who had experienced what is being described!
  • lexi22lexi22 Posts: 16,394
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    Like I say, I wouldn't normally say I had anything in common with her, but apart from the sleeping with him for 18 months bit, she could have lifted that story (whole phrases sometimes) from my teenage diary. And I'm not making that up! It reads as an extremely recognisable account.

    The danger when we look at a journalist and dismiss them out of hand just because of their track record, is that we are in danger of missing things that may have more meaning/truth. It may be inappropriate to make this analogy, but weren't a lot of the girls at the school where Savile preyed on vulnerable pupils dismissed as 'not being truthful' because of their established reputations as trouble-makers and fantasists? Which is why when they did express genuine distress and concern about Savile's behaviour they weren't believed? The word 'troll' wasn't invented then in this context, but to use the modern vernacular, didn't some of the staff effectively dismiss them as 'regular trolls' and so miss the significance of the factual events when they happened, just as you have dismissed Ms Sibary as a 'regular troll' because of other things she has written you haven't liked/believed to be true? Can you honestly say that it's fair to dismiss everything she says as potentially untrue or made up just because of that? Or are you implying she is re-telling someone else's story and making it 'her' story and that's the bit you are doubting?

    But the essence of what she's saying - to me it rings true in every single sentence, and reads as if I'd written it myself/published my diary online! (Other than the 18 month 'affair', that is - not that I'd have turned him down if he'd offered... I'd have married him if I could have, my teenage brain thinking I'd found the man of my dreams, regardless of the fact he was already married with two children!). There are some particular words and phrases which could only have come from the memories of someone who had experienced what is being described!

    Sorry, Jersey Porter, no offence intended to your post, your experience or the points you make, most of which I agree with - but she's a journo, perfectly capable of making up a credible story that would resonate with anyone who had a similar experience and viewed it, retrospectively, as Sibary has done. Unfair or not, her trolling preceeds her so if I dismiss her and what I see as her bandwagon-jumping, she has only herself to blame.

    Re Sibary, I just can't summon up any interest in a journo who is prepared to troll for a living, regardless of what she has to say. Ditto Brick & Jones. Their trolling imo negates their right to be taken seriously.
  • Jo MarchJo March Posts: 9,256
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    From the BBC website...

    Watchdog quizzes North Yorkshire Police over Savile dealings


    A police watchdog has asked North Yorkshire Police for information about contact officers had with Jimmy Savile.

    The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) said it was acting "in light of information received" and had asked the force to review "all relevant material".

    Savile had a home in Scarborough, where he regularly spent time.

    The watchdog said it wanted to know whether there were "conduct matters that should be referred to us".

    A spokesman for the force said: "North Yorkshire Police is assisting the IPCC with the request."


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-22566656
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    Coronation Street's Michael Le Vell denies child sex charges
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-22556770
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    Just one in nine police probes into child sex abuse led to conviction

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/child-sex-abuse-just-one-1893810#ixzz2TZopR6A2
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    CPS considering 'guest house child abuse' charges

    The Crown Prosecution Service has said it is considering whether to bring any charges in relation to Operation Fairbridge, a Met Police investigation into allegations of child abuse at a guest house in south-west London in the 1970s and 1980s.

    "We are currently considering a file of evidence from the Metropolitan Police Service’s investigation into allegations of non-recent child abuse at the Grafton Close Children’s Home and Elm Guest House to determine whether any charges can be brought.

    – CPS SPOKESPERSON"

    Fairbridge? It's Fernbridge. Oh dear ITN!

    http://www.itv.com/news/
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 87,224
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    The IPCC aren't satisfied with that whitewash of a WYP report, thank goodness:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22573881
  • Bus Stop2012Bus Stop2012 Posts: 5,624
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    The IPCC aren't satisfied with that whitewash of a WYP report, thank goodness:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22573881

    I don't think thats the correct interpretation of the position at all. Unless the police make stuff up there just isn't anything to investigate.

    That W word you keep parroting is getting a bit thin now. For one thing you can't possibly know if they're 'covering up' anything, and for another, they'd have no reason to.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01sjk09/Newsnight_17_05_2013/

    Last night's Newsnight.

    First item- whether the Independent Police Complaint Commission is up to the job. Interview with the boss, Dane Anne Owers.
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326502/Fourth-Coronation-Street-star-accused-paedophile.html

    Fourth Coronation Street star accused of being a paedophile 'may have preyed on girl, 12, as she hunted autographs'

    i didn't know there was a third one, never heard of him i dont watch corrie that much
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    Cardinal Keith O'Brien still a danger, say abuse accusers
    Complaints of Vatican whitewash as O'Brien leaves Scotland for penance in exile
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/18/cardinal-obrien-still-danger-say-accusers


    Sex-claim Rolf goes back on stage in first performance since his arrest... and tells his fans: 'I'm learning to dance in the rain'
    He played to crowds at Bristol Hippodrome in first performance since arrest
    Told audience: 'You have no idea what this means to have you all turn up'
    He received a standing ovation amid cries of 'We love you Rolf!'
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326808/Sex-claim-Rolf-goes-stage-Bristol-sex-claims.html#ixzz2ThYMCTJp
  • skp20040skp20040 Posts: 66,872
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    You mean he has been accused ?

    I do have to say from reading the original cliams where no one was named I was expecting a far more serious case, now please before anyone jumps I am not syaing a man flashing is acceptable I am sure it could be very scary , but the way the story was written one could be forgiven for thinking this was far more than what is in the Mail today.

    The original story stated in its headline

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326502/Fourth-Coronation-Street-star-accused-paedophile.html

    Fourth Coronation Street star accused of being a paedophile 'may have preyed on girl, 12, as she hunted autographs'
    and

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4932437/New-Coronation-Street-paedophile-quiz.html

    His alleged indecent assault on the wide-eyed schoolgirl is said to have happened in the late 1960s — and her continuing trauma is so severe she even now involuntarily writes his name on scraps of paper.

    Now as I say dont get me wrong if there is any truth in the flashing story its plain wrong, but am I wrong in thinking the original story made it sound as though the actor actually physically assaulted the girl and she has been traumatised for over 40 years ?

    Now I am sure flashing comes under the charge of Indecent Exposure not Sexual Assault as the media would be fully aware and if they know this then they should be very clear when they start putting articles out there , escpecially when someone has not been charged .
  • Bus Stop2012Bus Stop2012 Posts: 5,624
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    skp20040 wrote: »
    You mean he has been accused ?


    Now I am sure flashing comes under the charge of Indecent Exposure not Sexual Assault as the media would be fully aware and if they know this then they should be very clear when they start putting articles out there , escpecially when someone has not beencharged .

    As you say, only accused it seems, and not even arrested let alone charged. What on earth is going on with the media these days???
  • skp20040skp20040 Posts: 66,872
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    As you say, only accused it seems, and not even arrested let alone charged. What on earth is going on with the media these days???

    No disrespect to any of the alleged victims intended but they are a means to an end for the media , this scandal came at the right time for the media, they were facing the wrath of the public post Leveson then this came out, some may ask how long the media sat on it until a convenient moment ? This has given them it would seem carte blanche as people will want to know and have put Leveson out of their minds and the media will just write as they please .
  • honeythewitchhoneythewitch Posts: 37,237
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    skp20040 wrote: »
    You mean he has been accused ?

    I do have to say from reading the original cliams where no one was named I was expecting a far more serious case, now please before anyone jumps I am not syaing a man flashing is acceptable I am sure it could be very scary , but the way the story was written one could be forgiven for thinking this was far more than what is in the Mail today.

    The original story stated in its headline

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326502/Fourth-Coronation-Street-star-accused-paedophile.html

    Fourth Coronation Street star accused of being a paedophile 'may have preyed on girl, 12, as she hunted autographs'
    and

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4932437/New-Coronation-Street-paedophile-quiz.html

    His alleged indecent assault on the wide-eyed schoolgirl is said to have happened in the late 1960s — and her continuing trauma is so severe she even now involuntarily writes his name on scraps of paper.

    Now as I say dont get me wrong if there is any truth in the flashing story its plain wrong, but am I wrong in thinking the original story made it sound as though the actor actually physically assaulted the girl and she has been traumatised for over 40 years ?

    Now I am sure flashing comes under the charge of Indecent Exposure not Sexual Assault as the media would be fully aware and if they know this then they should be very clear when they start putting articles out there , escpecially when someone has not been charged .

    The article doesn't actually say that Neville Buswell has been questioned by police, or even that the claim was about him.
  • Fred E StarFred E Star Posts: 1,693
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    You're reading the wrong article.
  • skp20040skp20040 Posts: 66,872
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    The article doesn't actually say that Neville Buswell has been questioned by police, or even that the claim was about him.

    Neither did the article yesterday so I assume its referring to the same case or surely it would say Fifth Corrie star today

    Yesterday

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326502/Fourth-Coronation-Street-star-accused-paedophile.html

    A fourth Coronation Street star faces police questioning after being accused of preying on a 12-year-old girl

    The victim is believed to have been interviewed by police in Devon, who passed the case on to Lancashire Police
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    A blog by Peter Saunders, CEO, National Association of People Abused in Childhood.
    http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/peter-saunders-guest-posting.html?spref=tw

    "There is no legal requirement on anyone working with minors to report allegations or witnessed abuse of a child, including rape, to either the Local Authority Designated Officer LADO / Social Services, or the police. "
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  • skp20040skp20040 Posts: 66,872
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    The fact that it is not a law to have mandatory reporting by those working with kids is atrocious, I can understand caution with rumours but if a professional witnesses or knows of abuse they should be bound by law to report it. It seems only Northern Ireland overules this UK lack of law by having a law that makes it an offence not to report an arrestable offence.
  • IzzySIzzyS Posts: 11,045
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    Just checked twitter and spotted this -
    Senior police officer who led an inquiry into her force’s dealings with Savile under investigation. http://soa.li/oQqIOQY

    https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/336197776679505922

    (apologies if this has already been mentioned).
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