Have Simon Cowell and Louis Walsh f**ked up music?
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Last Friday, Sinead O'Connor was interviewed by Irish presenter, Ryan Tubirdy, to talk about today's state of the music industry. The interview was largely due to the singer's online spat with Miley Cyrus. However, O'Connor avoided speaking directly about Cyrus at all costs. Instead, she preferred to talk about how genuine musicians struggle in today's industry due to the likes of Cowell and Walsh who have manipulated the charts and "murdered music."
Do you agree with her that the music moguls and shows like X Factor have destroyed the music industry?
I am deliberately posting this in the music section of the forum, as I am sure that if I posted it in the X Factor section, the answers would be quite different.
Do you agree with her that the music moguls and shows like X Factor have destroyed the music industry?
I am deliberately posting this in the music section of the forum, as I am sure that if I posted it in the X Factor section, the answers would be quite different.
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the acts behave on their pantomime "reality" shows is
more important then whether they can actually sing.
If you enter a major, you know what they're all about. Money.
However, truth be told if the whole Pop Idol/X-Factor thing had never happened the music biz may well be even more screwed. In many ways the show is the corporate pigs response to internet piracy taking away sales. They realised they needed something to drum up hysteria (for that is what truly sells records) and its been a great platform for that.
Whilst the arty people of the world like Sinead may grind their teeth in disgust, its vile commercialism has kept the kind of people that watch ITV fascinated by the glitz of music. If it wasn't doing that, I doubt anything else would be.
If nothing else it gives all the arty types something to kick against and moan about, which is always a good thing, as it stimulates rock'n'roll rebellion:D.
They're basically irrelevent. I think because a few big names in the rock world criticize Simon Cowell, so rock fans end up just believing what they say, whilst if they did their research they'd realize how irrelevent Simon Cowell really is in the music industry. Very, very few successful artists have come from the X Factor, and most of the ones that are successful just have a hit or two. Only a few like Leona Lewis, Olly Murs, etc. have really seen major success, and the show has been around like 10 years or something now. Not a big deal at all. People need to get over it. RedOne had a much more negative impact on pop music the past few years than Simon Cowell did.
when i think of cowell and walsh.. first name come to my mind is WESTLIFE
their impact on music only seems bigger then it is due to the tv progs
That certainly doesn't dissuade me from my line of thinking.
When I was watching last night I thought would I buy the music of any of the contestants? and the answer is no. The only person I have ever rated has been Will Young. He is a very talented singer and performer imo. (Yes I know it was Pop Idol but all these talent shows are similar )
That said, pop music is worse now. It all sounds like faux-Club dirge, and the eccentricities of the 80s and 90s have disappeared. It thinks it's edgy, but it's actually incredibly safe. In a weird way I almost admire One Direction for being willing to accept what they are go he 'bubblegum' route.
before x factor came, a very x-factor-ish way of how westlife was discovered was done... of course via cowell-walsh tandem..
you don't probably know that.. just saying...
I thought everyone knew how manufactured boybands were manufactured?
I do.
Whilst that is true it has never been harder for those outside of the "mainstream" to be heard.
What has happened is the main music media outlets now have a much narrow list of music they will play , especially on TV.
What is needed is desperately needed is a modern equivalent of The Old Grey Whistle Test to allow those artists more of a "voice".
You are absolutely right. When I listen to chart radio, a lot of songs sound the same and all seem to blend into one. And all this 'faux-club dirge' is, as you say, incredibly safe. What I don't like about modern chart music is how it's all so over-produced; this says it all.
I agree with you too. Your point about the main music media outlets having a much narrower list of music to play is true. I especially don't like Capital radio: they seem to have a worrying amount of control over the charts right now, plus of course their playlist is as repetitive as anything. And yes, I do think there should be something like The Old Grey Whistle Test back on TV to show proper music and, as you say, allow artists more of a voice. I know we've got Jools Holland's programme, which is good, but one programme on all of British television that showcases 'proper' music is not good enough, in my opinion.
Yes! Now, I'm biased as I don't like her music whatsoever, but you're right. People like her, who are talentless, entitled tarts, who don't even have much respect for their fans (look at the amount of times she's been late for concerts) and who do, as you say, strip to some autotune so they can 'sniff coke off a rusty can in Rio'. My point is that it's people like her who bring the state of music down.
I'm with you there.
which is why i watch it...its the modern saturday night entertainment show.
I'm not sure a show like The Old Grey Whistle Test would make a difference when the major record labels are so short sighted in their refusal to make long term investments in talent.
they didnt f up music, stock aitken and waterman were the main culprits because they popularised the manufactured pop puppet product, it was them that paved the way for cowell, walsh, fuller etc.
And me
Grinds me gears when jelly tarts waggle their arses about to songs they had written for em and then bullshit on about their influences and how hard they work and being an aaaaartist.
- the XF has little influence on the charts;
- the charts are crap irrespective of the XF;
- SAW were actually the bad influence (yeah, some truth in that);
- the real money is in live work (although that is mainly for established artists);
- alternative, more credible tv or radio programmes would help alternative artists; and
- there are many minor artists making great music outside of the charts.
There is some truth in all these comments.
But here's a newer idea, which I have mentioned elsewhere,
The story of pop is over. It has less and less importance in the cultural landscape, all the new forms are recycled versions of the past, technology and the web have turned nearly everyone into a musician and provide the simple means to distribute this 'music'. And few of these 'artists' have much of interest to say or identify with; so much of it is just mixing beats and having a good time. It's all so homogenous and dull. There are no meaningful critics any more as everyone is a critic and cares little for anyone else's opinion. It's just about numbers. It's just business...(nothing personal).
The story's over.