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Old 25-08-2007, 13:03
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Are you serious?
Cos I was in a car with 5 people on the back seat and someone was diverting traffic and clearly saw in the car and didn't stop us...

But who would have diverted the traffic in the meantime if that person had pulled you over?
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Old 25-08-2007, 13:15
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I can't believe it has taken so long for a simple post like this to be posted

My understanding is that EVERY passenger must wear their OWN seatbelt, if there is only 5 seatbelts then you are breaking the law by having more than 5 passengers in the car.


From what I understand, the information you've given is correct but I don't think this is exactly what the OP is wanting to know?!

The OP is wanting to know how many passengers 'per car', not 'per driving licence', if that makes sense?!
Yeah but its the same thing, your license allows you to carry a maximum of 7 people in one vehicle (ie car) at a time, so its a maximum of 7 per car... unless your going to be driving more than one vehicle at a time, which would be impressive to say the least! lol
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Old 25-08-2007, 13:25
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Yeah but its the same thing, your license allows you to carry a maximum of 7 people in one vehicle (ie car) at a time, so its a maximum of 7 per car... unless your going to be driving more than one vehicle at a time, which would be impressive to say the least! lol
It's not the same thing.

If a 5 seater car had 7 people in it, it wouldn't make it okay for the driver to take the passengers anywhere 'just' because their licence is for upto 7 passengers - they would still need to have 7 seatbelts.

It is ONLY okay for a driver to take 7 passengers when there is enough seatbelts for EVERY passenger.
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Old 25-08-2007, 14:05
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It's not the same thing.

If a 5 seater car had 7 people in it, it wouldn't make it okay for the driver to take the passengers anywhere 'just' because their licence is for upto 7 passengers - they would still need to have 7 seatbelts.

It is ONLY okay for a driver to take 7 passengers when there is enough seatbelts for EVERY passenger.
Ahh ok I see what you mean, yes thats right. Info. on seatbelts:- http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/05.htm#75
but some cars do have seating for up to 7 passengers, by law everyone who is travelling in a car has to have their own seatbelt on while travelling...
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Old 25-08-2007, 20:38
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you'll never see an ad for a 4x4/MPV etc that has room for 8 or more people or its against the law. At least thats my basic understanding of it anyway!
Not true, Mercedes sell a people carrier - the Viano - which has variable seating. Can be configured for different numbers of people between 2 (and a van sized boot) or eight - each with their own seat belt. I leave mine configured for six, with the rear four seats in a "lounge style" configuration two seats facing the other two with a table (that folds out of the floor) in between for instant picnics.

Ahem ... or business meeting.

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Old 25-08-2007, 20:41
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Not true, Mercedes sell a people carrier - the Viano - which has variable seating. Can be configured for different numbers of people between 2 (and a van sized boot) or eight - each with their own seat belt. I leave mine configured for six, with the rear four seats in a "lounge style" configuration two seats facing the other two with a table (that folds out of the floor) in between for instant picnics.

Ahem ... or business meeting.

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Yes, but eight is the maximum (including the driver) that you're allowed on a standard licence, so this is perfectly acceptable.
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Old 25-08-2007, 21:38
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As far as carrying passengers in a car goes it's very simple - there must be a seatbelt for every passenger on board.

Onto the loading issue - every vehicle has a "Maximum Authorised Mass" - this includes the weight of any passengers - and the driver! With a car, this will normally be found in the car's handbook. You have to exceed this limit before you can be charged with overloading. But be careful - there are other traps awaiting. Outside of overloading a vehicle, the other most common loading offence is that of exceeding the axle weight limit for a given vehicle. Having 3 huge blokes in the back of a Micra would almost certainly stretch this....

As far as licensing goes, if you passed your driving test after 1996, you will have what is known as Group B entitlement. This enables you to carry a maximum of 8 passengers plus the driver. If you passed your test before 1997, you will have in addition to your Group B licence a Class D1 entitlement. This allows such drivers to carry a maximum of 16 passengers plus the driver on a not for hire or reward basis.
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Old 25-08-2007, 22:47
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It is ONLY okay for a driver to take 7 passengers when there is enough seatbelts for EVERY passenger.
Not quite true as has been mentioned before, some older cars do not have seat belts in the back and yet can carry passengers there. Seat belts only have to be worn IF they are fitted.

Back on topic, I do think its common sense that if there is seat belts fitted and there is only 3 in the back then 3 is all you can carry by law.
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Old 26-08-2007, 09:00
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Not quite true as has been mentioned before, some older cars do not have seat belts in the back and yet can carry passengers there. Seat belts only have to be worn IF they are fitted.
Oh yeah, I forgot about older cars not having seatbelts in the back and didn't spot where it was mentioned in this thread, sorry!
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Old 26-08-2007, 09:14
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I think if you inform the extra seatbeltless passengers that if you got pulled over they might get a fine. No one can moan then.............
Though do remember a very stupid thing from my youth where we got 10 of us in a fiesta, ( I was in the footwell) coming back from a night club. looking back god knows what would have happened if we had an accident.
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Old 26-08-2007, 12:13
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You can get even more in an estate car
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Old 26-08-2007, 13:11
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As far as carrying passengers in a car goes it's very simple - there must be a seatbelt for every passenger on board.
Not as far as the law is concerned.

Many here are misinterpreting the law on seat belts. There is no law which says you can only carry the number of people for which there are seatbelts. The law only says if there is a seatbelt available you must wear it. Therefore you can legally carry more passengers than there are seatbelts, but only if they are adults and aren't "dangerous" in the eyes of whichever police officer passes you by.

I would add that the common sense answer is, never carry anyone in your car who isn't wearing a seatbelt. I couldn't give a toss if they are stupid enough to get themselves killed, but I object to them killing or seriously injuring me because of their own stupidity.
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Old 26-08-2007, 22:25
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I also thought the max limit on a car license was 7 people (inc the driver) - provided the car is desgned to take this number of people (enough seatbelts, etc). So its not ok to stuff 7 people in a mini (for example). Once you go above 7, you would need a mini bus license.

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Old 26-08-2007, 22:37
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But surely, as someone else said, it would be illegal on the grounds that your insurance will only cover you for the amount of people the car is designed to carry. Carry over that amount and your insurance is invalid. Invalid insurance = illegal to drive.
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Old 26-08-2007, 22:41
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I also thought the max limit on a car license was 7 people (inc the driver) - provided the car is desgned to take this number of people (enough seatbelts, etc). So its not ok to stuff 7 people in a mini (for example). Once you go above 7, you would need a mini bus license.

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This has already been stated, hasn't it?

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Old 26-08-2007, 22:46
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I also thought the max limit on a car license was 7 people (inc the driver) - provided the car is desgned to take this number of people (enough seatbelts, etc). So its not ok to stuff 7 people in a mini (for example). Once you go above 7, you would need a mini bus license.

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The maximum amount of people you are allowed to carry on a car licence (Group B) is 8 passengers + the driver. Minibus licence (Class D1 - issued automatically to drivers who passed their test before 1997) is good for up to 16 passengers + the driver.

Exemptions from the seatbelt law are as follows regardless of whether they're fitted or not - HGV drivers (if their vehicle has a maximum authorised mass exceeding 3.5 tonnes), PSV drivers, mulitdrop van drivers and taxi drivers who are carrying a fare (don't ask me why this is the case - the law for some strange reason allows for this) If they are not carrying a fare, then they must wear their seatbelt.
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Old 26-08-2007, 22:59
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Has the OP seen these adverts where the rear-seat passenger in a collision hits the front-seat passenger and kills them, because they're not wearing a seat-belt?

This is a no-brainer. As someone said about second post, maximum persons in car = no. seat belts. You can't use a seat belt for more than one person, whether it's a lap-belt or not. For older cars with no rear seat-belts, I guess the rule of thumb would be that everyone's bum has to be on the seat, but to be honest, if I had an older car, I'd have had seat belts fitted. It's not worth taking a chance, life's dangerous enough as it is.
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Old 26-08-2007, 23:30
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The maximum amount of people that can travel legally in a vehicle is stated in the log book of a vehicle.
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Old 27-08-2007, 13:48
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The maximum amount of people you are allowed to carry on a car licence (Group B) is 8 passengers + the driver. Minibus licence (Class D1 - issued automatically to drivers who passed their test before 1997) is good for up to 16 passengers + the driver.

Exemptions from the seatbelt law are as follows regardless of whether they're fitted or not - HGV drivers (if their vehicle has a maximum authorised mass exceeding 3.5 tonnes), PSV drivers, mulitdrop van drivers and taxi drivers who are carrying a fare (don't ask me why this is the case - the law for some strange reason allows for this) If they are not carrying a fare, then they must wear their seatbelt.
Again you're not getting this quite right. The vehicle you can drive can only have 8 passenger seats. The licencing says nothing about the actual number of people carried in those seats.

The seatbelt laws also do not say if there is no seatbelt you cannot travel. They only say if the belt is there you must wear it. Thus you can travel in a car without a seatbelt, if there is not one available to you, without risking a fine. Even if you aren't one of the exemptions.
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Old 27-08-2007, 13:50
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Has the OP seen these adverts where the rear-seat passenger in a collision hits the front-seat passenger and kills them, because they're not wearing a seat-belt?
I think you are absolutely correct - however the OP asked what the legal position was.
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