So the dude is making a speech right now. He's not a great public speaker as Brown isn't but he is narrowing his eyes and sneering like a disgruntled public school boy.

Not a great presentation. I don't disagree with a lot of what he said but I dislike this constant attack on Brown the Tories would do a lot better if they concentrated a bit on the Brown attack (of course) but also a lot on providing an alternative and talking UP themselves rather than down the opposition.

He does just look like a posh public school boy giving a sneering "We told you so" speech.

[BarryW1]

Looks to me as if you are sneering yourself with an outdated class based attack.

[squidsin]

Originally Posted by BarryW1

Looks to me as if you are sneering yourself with an outdated class based attack.

Why is it outdated? It suits the Tories to claim that 'class doesn't exist any more' seeing as half of them went to public school and the two top dogs went to Eton! It very much does exist though, and it's my opinion that people who've never had to worry about money have no real idea of the value of it - hence the almighty cockup minted George W Bush has made of the economy in the US.
Anyone read the piece in the Times about the shadow cabinet yesterday? It was interesting but did reinforce the fact that they're all on the privileged side.

[Swipe]

Everything he says is spot on though.

[paulschapman]

Originally Posted by Swipe

Everything he says is spot on though.

Is that not the important bit - that you do not like his delivery is irrelevent - as long as what he says is accurate.

[squidsin]

Originally Posted by paulschapman

Is that not the important bit - that you do not like his delivery is irrelevent - as long as what he says is accurate.

Now tell that to the Tories on here who slag off Brown's delivery, his stammer, the way he breathes, his dress sense, his wife...blah blah!

[baggiebod2]

Originally Posted by squidsin

Now tell that to the Tories on here who slag off Brown's delivery, his stammer, the way he breathes, his dress sense, his wife...blah blah!

What was wrong with GO's delivery?

A lot of sense spoken.

[Relugus]

George Osbourne blamed Gordon Brown for the economic mess, yet strangely overlooked Dubya's staggering incompetence. Much of this crisis stems from America, yet Osbourne offered no opinion on Amercia's economic nightmare.

[squidsin]

Originally Posted by baggiebod2

What was wrong with GO's delivery?

A lot of sense spoken.

I never said there was anything wrong with it. I'm at work, won't see the speech until tonight (I am no fan of Osborne mind).

[paulschapman]

Originally Posted by squidsin

Now tell that to the Tories on here who slag off Brown's delivery, his stammer, the way he breathes, his dress sense, his wife...blah blah!

That is up to them. Personally I think it is the content of Brown's speeches that annoys me. He is pathologically incapable of accepting his part in any failings. It is GeorgeBush, the Banks, the Tories - anybody but George Brown.

Even now we are seeing Mrs Thatcher blamed for the failings and consolidation of the former Building societies - she made that decision 22 years ago! Gordon Brown has not so far admitted that it was his regulatory system which failed absymally to foresee this issue.

[BarryW1]

Originally Posted by Relugus

George Osbourne blamed Gordon Brown for the economic mess, yet strangely overlooked Dubya's staggering incompetence. Much of this crisis stems from America, yet Osbourne offered no opinion on Amercia's economic nightmare.

He was only blaming Brown for the problems he caused the UK economy and they are many.

I only managed to catch the last 10 minutes of his speech and he was certainly spot on with Brown.

Bush, I agree, has been a pretty poor POTUS but we need to put our own house in order.

[Imus]

It was an excellent speech. Every point hit home and the council tax pledge will resonate well with taxpayers who are cutting back yet can't see any indication that government and councils are doing the same. Good on him.

[BarryW1]

Originally Posted by squidsin

Why is it outdated? It suits the Tories to claim that 'class doesn't exist any more' seeing as half of them went to public school and the two top dogs went to Eton! It very much does exist though, and it's my opinion that people who've never had to worry about money have no real idea of the value of it - hence the almighty cockup minted George W Bush has made of the economy in the US.
Anyone read the piece in the Times about the shadow cabinet yesterday? It was interesting but did reinforce the fact that they're all on the privileged side.

It is really only the left who are obsessed with class.

Crewe made such attacks obsolete.

[jmclaugh]

Originally Posted by Relugus

George Osbourne blamed Gordon Brown for the economic mess, yet strangely overlooked Dubya's staggering incompetence. Much of this crisis stems from America, yet Osbourne offered no opinion on Amercia's economic nightmare.

Perhaps because he can sod all about America's economic situation but he can about ours.

[squidsin]

Originally Posted by BarryW1

It is really only the left who are obsessed with class.

Crewe made such attacks obsolete.

How? A quick walk at lunchtime is enough to confirm to me that class is still massively prelevant in our society and people are still very judgemental about it. It's very common for people to sneer at 'chavs' but it's just a derogatory word for the working classes. I don't know what you think Crewe did but out there in the real world, nothing has changed.
IMO the reason so many people like Cameron and Osborne is because they actually feel safer with a traditional toff in charge that they can doff their caps to with a cheery 'right you are, govn'r.' The current Tories bring out the traditional feudal Brit in their followers.

[baggiebod2]

Originally Posted by squidsin

How? A quick walk at lunchtime is enough to confirm to me that class is still massively prelevant in our society and people are still very judgemental about it. It's very common for people to sneer at 'chavs' but it's just a derogatory word for the working classes. I don't know what you think Crewe did but out there in the real world, nothing has changed.
IMO the reason so many people like Cameron and Osborne is because they actually feel safer with a traditional toff in charge that they can doff their caps to with a cheery 'right you are, govn'r.' The current Tories bring out the traditional feudal Brit in their followers.

I thought you were at work!

I agree with you that class is still massively prevalent, however I haven't seen any evidence of the current government doing anything about it!

[squidsin]

Originally Posted by baggiebod2

I thought you were at work!

I agree with you that class is still massively prevalent, however I haven't seen any evidence of the current government doing anything about it!

I'm the boss this week. No TV in here though.
I think there will always be class distinctions of some form or another.

[planetnokia]

Originally Posted by Relugus

George Osbourne blamed Gordon Brown for the economic mess, yet strangely overlooked Dubya's staggering incompetence. Much of this crisis stems from America, yet Osbourne offered no opinion on Amercia's economic nightmare.

He's the Shadow Chancellor not the Shadow Foreign Secretary.

[squidsin]

Originally Posted by planetnokia

He's the Shadow Chancellor not the Shadow Foreign Secretary.

You can't seriously think that's a valid excuse?!

[planetnokia]

Originally Posted by AaronG

So the dude is making a speech right now. He's not a great public speaker as Brown isn't but he is narrowing his eyes and sneering like a disgruntled public school boy.

Not a great presentation. I don't disagree with a lot of what he said but I dislike this constant attack on Brown the Tories would do a lot better if they concentrated a bit on the Brown attack (of course) but also a lot on providing an alternative and talking UP themselves rather than down the opposition.

He does just look like a posh public school boy giving a sneering "We told you so" speech.

Excellent speech...just admit it, you'll feel better afterwards

[Tel69]

Originally Posted by AaronG

So the dude is making a speech right now. He's not a great public speaker as Brown isn't but he is narrowing his eyes and sneering like a disgruntled public school boy.

Not a great presentation. I don't disagree with a lot of what he said but I dislike this constant attack on Brown the Tories would do a lot better if they concentrated a bit on the Brown attack (of course) but also a lot on providing an alternative and talking UP themselves rather than down the opposition.

He does just look like a posh public school boy giving a sneering "We told you so" speech.

We know you don't like the Tories, you've told us often enough.

[paulschapman]

Originally Posted by squidsin

at 'chavs' but it's just a derogatory word for the working classes.

No Chav is a derogotory expression for anti-social behaviour and has no bearing on class at all. Labour still clings to elements of class.

Consider the attacks on freelancers, trying to force them into employment. The basic principle in employment is the master/servent relationship. The word servent has the same entemology as serf, as in the same serfs in feudal times.

This idea that their are bosses and workers goes to the very heart of what Labour (used to) stand for; since without bosses and workers there would be no need for Unions, from whom Labour gets most of it's funding.

[SuperTed187]

Originally Posted by AaronG

I don't disagree with a lot of what he said but I dislike this constant attack on Brown the Tories would do a lot better if they concentrated a bit on the Brown attack (of course) but also a lot on providing an alternative and talking UP themselves rather than down the opposition.

Its all they need to do. If anyone had any idea of what they actually plan to do once in Power then they might not be as popular.

[LostFool]

<wrong thread>

[planetnokia]

Originally Posted by squidsin

You can't seriously think that's a valid excuse?!

You're supposed to be at work so pick up your Lolly Stick and help that old lady cross the road