[Voyager_iii]

Well all I can say is that I'm a 62 year old grandmother and I watched the American version on Saturday, and the UK version on Thursday and I had no problems with the gay sex scene in either versions; and quite tame compared to the naked wrestling scene between Oliver Reed and Alan Bates in Women in Love.

So count me out of the 95% as well.

By the way, I've conducted a "straw poll" amongst my friends (all in their 60s); most of whom hadn't watched Torchwood. They all rushed to view it on iplayer, and not one of them was offended - so count them out of the 95% as well!

[rionia]

Ofcom received complaints about TW last week.... from 10 people.

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/enf...ce-complaints/

[wonders what happened on Sunday Morning Live to generate 13 complaints... googles.. ah..complaints about bias in debate about spiritual healing & mediums ]

[snopaelic]

lol seriously ... a sunday morning programme has complaints made about it?

[Virgil Tracy]

I'm finding this series very klunky.

the new characters don't work , the basic premse is very interesting but they've done nothing with it .

i'll stick with it but it is disappointing

[brangdon]

Originally Posted by Zaphodski

Not only are you appearing to suggest that my repulsion at watching two men having sex is equivalent to someone being persecuted over the colour of their skin.

I thought he was saying that being upset by gay relationships being included in drama is like being upset by black people being included. If so, I agree.

Nobody is expecting you to be turned on by it - but then you weren't supposed to be turned on by the hetero scenes either. It's drama, not porn. Rather, the issue is one of equality. People who are gay deserve to see gay relationships portrayed as being as normal as straight ones. As indeed do people who are not gay. That's part of my agenda here: you come across as trying to restrict the kinds of scenes that Torchwood may contain, to its detriment as drama, through being unable to show gay relationships as vividly as straight ones.

The implication is that the inherent sexual preference (of the majority of the populous) is as intolerable as racism and should be dealt with (and corrected) in a similar way.

No, it's saying the opposite: that inherent sexual preferences should be tolerated (whether of the majority or not). And no-one is trying to "correct" your heterosexuality. I just wish you could be more tolerant of people who are different to you. There may even be the thought that your distress at seeing gay scenes would lessen if they became more common.

Just out of interest, would you prefer it if you didn't get so distressed by gay scenes, supposing that were possible? Would you agree that straight men who can watch gay scenes without feeling the need to kick up a ruckus about it, are better off?

[catsitter]

Am I the only viewer who went off Rex when he shot Newman? Seemed unnecessary.

[Bruce Wayne]

Originally Posted by catsitter

Am I the only viewer who went off Rex when he shot Newman? Seemed unnecessary.

He didn't shoot him. He shot behind him to deafen him.

[catsitter]

Right, that explains it, thanks.

[Bruce Wayne]

Originally Posted by catsitter

Right, that explains it, thanks.

No worries.

[Niallio]

Originally Posted by brangdon

Rather, the issue is one of equality. People who are gay deserve to see gay relationships portrayed as being as normal as straight ones. As indeed do people who are not gay.

Is that how you see that scene? As portraying gay relationships as normal?

I see quite the opposite. The scene reinforced the stereotype of homosexual men as sleep-around fashionista pretty-boys.

Right now the big issues in gender politics are gay marriage and adoption by gay couples -- playing up to this sort of stereotype really doesn't do anything to demonstrate that gay couples are normal, loving couples.

The scene risks doing more harm than good.

[dgembadgemba]

Originally Posted by Niallio

Is that how you see that scene? As portraying gay relationships as normal?

I see quite the opposite. The scene reinforced the stereotype of homosexual men as sleep-around fashionista pretty-boys.

Right now the big issues in gender politics are gay marriage and adoption by gay couples -- playing up to this sort of stereotype really doesn't do anything to demonstrate that gay couples are normal, loving couples.

The scene risks doing more harm than good.

Hardly

it is not portraying jack as someone who needs to sleep around, more expressing his loneliness and need for companionship

The rex scene was far worse since he was doing no more than sleeping with the doctor in exchange for painkillers

[catsitter]

Something was mentioned in this episode which has fascinated me from the beginning - how unborn foetuses are affected by the "miracle". They said in this episode that there are no miscarriages now, which must mean that the "miracle" treats human life as starting at the point of conception. Also I don't think they mentioned this, but it would mean that any baby born prematurely, however early, survives. And any aborted foetus, however early the abortion! I would have thought this would have been noticed from the start as quickly as accident victims not dying and wondered why they didn't mention it in the first episode. Presumably this would mean no more abortions? I would have thought this was a big thing. And I was interested to hear that India and China were "putting contraceptives in the water supply" rather than forcibly sterilising people!

[Thrombin]

I was a bit late watching it this week and have only just caught up with the thread.

I voted Good but it definitely needs to pick up the pace a bit.

I agree with the poster who criticized the American vs. British translations. It's hard to imagine anyone in Britain not already being perfectly familiar with the term 'gas-station' or 'ATM'. I think most people probably know crisps are chips too. It all seemed a bit clumsy.

About the only thing I didn't know was that the lemonade was flat which was the one joke that I really laughed out loud on

I can understand how Jack's feelings of mortality and loneliness could have driven him to a one night stand, even in the middle of a crisis, but the others wouldn't have known that was the reason so I was surprised at how unfazed they were about the whole thing. It just seemed very random, otherwise.

I'm still finding Rex really annoying. He seems to be a complete idiot half the time and it made no sense at all to me for him to decide to leave the group when he did.

I disagree that Rex's sex scene didn't advance the plot. By revealing that he had a sexual relationship with the doctor it explained how he was able to get her on side in helping against PhiCorp.

I didn't understand why there would be 10,000,000 hits for Morphic Field on Jack's web search. Given that the affects of Miracle Day are supposedly impossible I'm not sure why so many people would have jumped to the conclusion that it would be caused by a Morphic Field and I'm even less convinced that so many people would have added internet entries describing their musings on the subject. In any case, I got 421,000 hits on Google but the first one was perfectly adequate to tell me all I wanted to know about Morphic Fields and he could always have refined the search if he'd wanted to!

Overall there's been a bit more plot progression and it was nice to finally see them use a bit of future-tech but I was disappointed to here that was the only tech they had. To me, the whole point of Torchwood is that it has superior technology and extra-terrestrial knowledge at its disposal. I really hope they find a hidden cache of Torchwood tech soon because it's not really Torchwood without it.

Regards

Julian

[Zaphodski]

My original post was 'one more gay scene and it's over and out for me'. Took my time making the coffee in the kitchen last night whilst Mrs Wife pressed the FF key on the remote (for her benefit as well as mine). We both agreed that it was pointless to carrying on watching so I hope you enjoy the rest of the show. I'll probably look for a summary in a couple of weeks to see if I missed anything.

At least I now know to give any future RTD dramas a wide birth....