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Taleban to get ‘embassy’ as US seeks peace talks
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America has given its blessing for the Taleban to be brought in from the cold with a critical step towards reconciliation as the world paused to mark the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. The Times has learnt that Washington has endorsed plans for the Islamist network to open political headquarters in the gulf state of Qatar by the end of the year. The move has been devised so that the West can begin formal peace talks with the Taleban.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/
10 years, hundreds of thousands of deaths, trillions of dollars spent - and for what
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Talking to terrorists only ever brings short term peace. Ask Ireland.
And there is the mistake. Taliban does not = terrorist.
Orly?
From Wiki:
For the military-industrial complex.
No one in charge cares about the Afghans, or the security of the average US citizen. That's just theater.
They don't even care about the debt, because they won't be the ones left with it.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/nato-backed-local-police-terrorising-afghans-report-085255538.html
NATO has done more harm than good in Iraq & Afghanistan
...hope Libya doesnt make 3
The situation is a lot more complicated than that. You can't sum up every member of the 'Taliban' with one neat sentence that suggests they're all islamist terrorists.
An example of how unclear things are over there, 92% of afghans don't even know what 9/11 is.
I find that rather hard to believe.
It's true. 1,000 men were questioned in Afghanistan. And that's the result they came out with.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20023451-503543.html
I still don't believe it.
Did you think there was ever going to be a different outcome than this?
Video here where some Afghans including Elders are shown photos of the WTC attack and they've no clue what or where it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ADLHZHX2U4
One even thought it was Kabul. I suppose you could argue they may know of 9/11 but hadn't ever seen it before.. but I suspect they simply had no clue about any of it.
The A hole Taliban and their A hole cronies in Al Qaeda DO NOT WANT PEACE!!!!!
All they will agree to is if all countries they are interested in ruling become completely islamisised, like the way the Taliban where doing things in the 90's in Afghanistan while they where in control of most of it. They will also demand all foreign troops leave and that people live as if its the 12th century!
The people thinking we can get peace with them are in denial fools who would see us pull out of Afhganistan before proper state control is established and we will see history repeat itself when the Taliban and AQ start doing terrorist attacks around the world AGAIN like they did in the 1990's and kept on doing it until 2001 when eventually America took them on!!!!
We need to stay for the long haul, until Afghanistan and Pakistan are properrly developed and are much more moderate and we need the issues of Kashmir and Israel/Palestine resolved amicably too. If we do that, then we should get proper lasting peace.
If we pull out before then, thinking it will all go away just by pulling out, It will be just a matter of time before the sequence of events that got us into this in the first place will repeat itself!!!! Lets not even run that risk!!! Lets get it right and do the job(s) PROPERLY!!!!!
At home we need to root out whoever the brain washers are at university's of muslim students and need to tell Saudi Arabai to buck on this too and need to clamp down on whoever is coming from their and trying to do brain washing .
We can afford it. I don't get how seeing that we would have to pay troops anyway, that by keeping them in Afghanistan is going to be much more expensive than employing them anyway here.
We stayed in Germany since World War 2, we've been able to afford that, America has stayed in Germany and Japan since World War 2 and has got loads of bases all around the world, and they would have been through recessions in the 66 years since WW 2 finished so if we can afford it then we can afford it now.
If we leave, how much damage do you think AQ could do if they start doing attacks again? Think about how much they can scare people off. Its better to take the fight to them and stop them from flaring up again. Had that good Blair not done Iraq we may have been on top of it already. As for how long do we stay, I go back to my original point that we have never left Germany and Japan and they where generally much more established states than Afghanistan has ever beem so surely we need to stay for as long as it takes.
Terrorists would rather kill people than have peace, though.
And what do you mean by peace? Because to me the US leadership seem to have the exact same thoughts (though probably it's best for them to kill foreigners), but they're now having a hard time convincing their Afghan puppet that it's still a good thing that his people get killed daily.
If by peace, rather than to not engage in violence, you mean to have the other side surrender to you, then everyone wants peace. It's all about having it their way.
Only because the governments and populations of those countries allowed them too, if Mildenhall and Lakenheath were under constant attack from the local population they wouldn't have been there for nearly as long.
As if Germany alone could have kept the Russians out after WW2 without NATO including us being there?
The point I was making was on affordability. People are using the reason of affordability as one of the reasons to try and get us out of Afghnaistan before it is right to do so and for the reasons I gave earlier in the thread it would be a massive mistake to pull out.
Plus the West German government were both willing and able to provide funds to troops stationed in FRG.
So you'd be happy for us to pull out of Afhganistan and for the Taliban to have a very good chance in retaking control of that country and then either through land or by air thrugh pakistan could start doing what they did in the 1990's and worse again?
Don't you think its better to stay there and take the fight to them over there than react after terrorists attacks here if they do start repeating what they did in the 90's all because we would be foolish enough to pull out?
What did they do in the 1990s? And why would it effect us?
I don't believe for a second they could attack us over here. There is a lot more to Afghanistan than what we're told. It has many untapped resources that we need.
(but don't tell anyone)