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Was 5/11 an inside job?

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Was the "gunpowder plot" a conspiracy by the government to pass anti-Catholic laws?

- how did a small band obtain so much gunpowder in the first place, and then move it into a cellar of one of the most prominent buildings in the country without anyone noticing?
- why did Robert Catesby get off so lightly after the essex rebellion, was he recruited at this time to be an agent for Robert Cecil (spymaster for the king)?
- the "confessions" were gained under torture, which is notoriously unreliable
- Guy Fawkes was at a wedding of Cecil's niece, along with Cecil AND King James, why didn't Fawkes kill the King there, and isn't it mysterious that all figures in the plot went to a wedding together?
- a search of the cellar, catching the culprit "red handed" right in the act, surely this is too lucky? Who green lighted that search?
- the Bye plot and the Main plot both followed similar scripts to the Gunpowder plot, got rumbled at the last minute and Catholics got the blame, were the government carrying out a series of inside jobs?

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    coopermanyorkscoopermanyorks Posts: 21,215
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    Maybe a quick read of the history book may help ?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 38
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    Maybe a quick read of the history book may help ?


    History is written to favour the victor:rolleyes:
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    Early BirdEarly Bird Posts: 2,147
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    History is written to favour the victor:rolleyes:
    and then some Hollywood producer/director comes along and re-writes it!!!! :D
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    kimindexkimindex Posts: 68,256
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    Nice idea. Interesting!
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    RaferRafer Posts: 14,231
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    Early Bird wrote: »
    and then some Hollywood producer/director comes along and re-writes it!!!! :D

    The year is 1605. A recently divorced fbi agent with a drinking problem, stumbles on a plot by evil English terrorists to blow up the whitehouse with a nuclear bomb (the type with the red LED display). Will our all american hero save the day? will he give an over the top jingonistic speach along the way? Will he overcome his personal issues, possibly with the help of his native american sidekick? Will he have time to persue a romantic subplot with the brilliant oirish scientist with the absurd accent? Is Roland Emmerich availible to direct?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 38
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    kimindex wrote: »
    Nice idea. Interesting!

    Well, we've had Iraqis and WMDs,
    9/11 demolition jobs
    Gaddafi(at first being caught in a cross fire and killed)

    Basically, if you are strong and victorious, then you can distort the truth.
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    stoatiestoatie Posts: 78,106
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    Ooh, nice thread. Was it REALLY the work of a religious fundie or not?

    This could be fun.
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    europeantoureuropeantour Posts: 568
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    I know a man who would know........

    David Icke
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    LilolemeLiloleme Posts: 5,839
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    Maybe a quick read of the history book may help ?

    Whoosh?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,341
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    He was grassed up to the authorities by a letter.
    Still, it'd make a great Reservoir Dogs style film where the conspiritors meet up somewhere and work out who informed the authorities. It wouldn't have to be a hundred per cent accurate, just the basi facts with a bit of artistic licence flung in.
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    topptopp Posts: 2,704
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    It was a great scam pulled of by the newly emerging Fireworks Industry. If you need proof, look and listen right now.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 76
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    As some one else once said: Guy Fawkes, the only person to enter parliament with good intentions.
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    mirrorimagemirrorimage Posts: 4,622
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    Why did one of the perpetrators name himself after a popular November tradition?
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    InkblotInkblot Posts: 26,889
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    Why did one of the perpetrators name himself after a popular November tradition?

    So we would never forget his name.... Sid Bonfire.
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    duckymallardduckymallard Posts: 13,936
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    Why did one of the perpetrators name himself after a popular November tradition?

    Yeah, that was a tad foolish, considering he'd been clever enough to choose the 5th, when the fireworks would "mask" the noise of the bomb going off.
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    marjanglesmarjangles Posts: 9,746
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    motsy wrote: »
    He was grassed up to the authorities by a letter.
    Still, it'd make a great Reservoir Dogs style film where the conspiritors meet up somewhere and work out who informed the authorities. It wouldn't have to be a hundred per cent accurate, just the basi facts with a bit of artistic licence flung in.

    Not quite grassed up, some of the conspirators didn't like the idea that at the same time as blowing up the king they would be blowing up various Lords and members of Parliament that would potentially be sympathetic to the Catholic cause if not secretly Catholics themselves. The conspirators wanted to warn them of what was to come but Catesby said no.

    However a letter was sent to Lord Monteagle warning him that something bad was going to happen. The letter was anonymous but Monteagle was the brother-in-law of one of the conspirators. Monteagle handed the letter over to the authorities and so they were on alert and at the urging of the king searched the buildings thoroughly throughout 4th November eventually finding Guy Fawkes.
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