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Old 22-03-2012, 11:05
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Nigel has asked whether Talksport will still be hosting his website with all his songs after Mikes show switches to sport?!

Best of all to all Nigel from Maidstone fans. He'll still be calling in about cycling and himself after the show changes to its new format.
I must admit that Mike doesn't sound very convincing when trying to pacify his regulars about what they can talk about after the so-called switchover.

Surely as host, he must know what will be allowed; i.e., SPORT only & no talking about current affairs or you mum or 'prostrate'.

I have a gut feeling that Mike isn't going to stick out this new format.; he knows nothing about sport, so why would he?
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Old 22-03-2012, 11:08
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The Sports Bar- what a Jekyll and Hyde show this is.

I've listened when there has been football played in the evening to hear the reaction- and when fans have called in it's been really good, good debate and some strong lower league knowledge from Goldstein.

Then you fast forward to the random and totally pointless stuff, which made up half the conversation with Kay Murray I believe. You don't need it, you were good at the slightly more serious stuff.

Hawksbee and Jacobs have the blend just right, they could learn a lot on the Sports Bar.
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Old 22-03-2012, 13:43
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I must admit that Mike doesn't sound very convincing when trying to pacify his regulars about what they can talk about after the so-called switchover.

Surely as host, he must know what will be allowed; i.e., SPORT only & no talking about current affairs or you mum or 'prostrate'.

I have a gut feeling that Mike isn't going to stick out this new format.; he knows nothing about sport, so why would he?
I agree Mike is not very convincing when callers are asking if they can still phone in.

The way I see it if they are allowed, then what is the point of advertising the new changes. If they allow Nigel. Christine & Tommy to continue phoning every night the Sporting side will never be taken serious or attract new listeners.

It has to be all or nothing IMO.
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Old 22-03-2012, 19:22
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I agree Mike is not very convincing when callers are asking if they can still phone in.

The way I see it if they are allowed, then what is the point of advertising the new changes. If they allow Nigel. Christine & Tommy to continue phoning every night the Sporting side will never be taken serious or attract new listeners.

It has to be all or nothing IMO.
TS will encourage the Christines, Nigels and Tommys of this world to keep on calling in, let`s face it, it will generate more revenue for the station. However, I can`t see how Mike will be able to keep on his regulars, entertaining though they are,as we will be discussing Harry Redknapp....Is He All That when England lose a match.
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Old 22-03-2012, 20:26
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TS will encourage the Christines, Nigels and Tommys of this world to keep on calling in, let`s face it, it will generate more revenue for the station. However, I can`t see how Mike will be able to keep on his regulars, entertaining though they are,as we will be discussing Harry Redknapp....Is He All That when England lose a match.

The hardened regulars can steer any conversation around to their personnel agenda. Christine is especially skilled at spinning any topic around to God and Nigel won't give a hoot about any sporting topics, just himself, the weather and his mum.

Its the end of the Peoples Republic of Mike Graham and with it all of it's citizens. Im not a big sporting fan but I'd rather listen to a well presented, informative and dynamic sporting show than it's current state of mixed topics that never take off, with few callers that get cut off for the latest update on the Malaysian croquet finals.

Mike did have a boxing commentator on this morning who hinted he was to be a regular with MMA news and how Mike was going to have to brush up on his knowledge of mixed martial arts.
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Old 23-03-2012, 00:33
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However, I can`t see how Mike will be able to keep on his regulars, entertaining though they are,as we will be discussing Harry Redknapp....Is He All That when England lose a match.
Not on talkSPORT World we won't. Not sure why people are continuing to run with this assumption that the new overnight shows will be heavily reliant on English football chat when all the evidence we have is to the contrary.

The synopsises for said show on the newly revamped talkSPORT website are: "Mike Graham hosts the fastest sports show on the dial featuring reaction to the sport at home and abroad" and "from NFL to NBA, from America to Australia, talkSPORT goes global to bring you the best of the action from every corner of the planet". That should give you an idea that it won't be standard Drive Time fare.

Mike did have a boxing commentator on this morning who hinted he was to be a regular with MMA news and how Mike was going to have to brush up on his knowledge of mixed martial arts.
This would be Gareth A Davies, the Daily Telegraph's boxing and MMA correspondent who is a regular phone guest on Hawksbee & Jacobs. It wouldn't surprise me if he is to be a regular voice on talkSPORT World.

Tucked away on the talkSPORT website is the first edition of Gareth's "brand new boxing show for talkSPORT," a 30 minutes long podcast-style show that you could imagine being incorporated into one of the new overnight programmes. Boxing fans on here: give it a listen and let us know what you think.

I've also noticed from Mike's page on the talkSPORT website that former Radio 5 Live Formula 1 commentator Maurice Hamilton has popped up on a few occasions to discuss F1 on the Independent Republic.
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Old 23-03-2012, 00:50
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The Sports Bar- what a Jekyll and Hyde show this is.

I've listened when there has been football played in the evening to hear the reaction- and when fans have called in it's been really good, good debate and some strong lower league knowledge from Goldstein.

Then you fast forward to the random and totally pointless stuff, which made up half the conversation with Kay Murray I believe. You don't need it, you were good at the slightly more serious stuff.

Hawksbee and Jacobs have the blend just right, they could learn a lot on the Sports Bar.
At this risk of incurring the wrath of carnivalist and others, I agree with all of the above.

While I'm not a fan of The Sports Bar in its current form and never have been, I'm not firmly in the camp that it offers nothing of any merit either.

Like you, when I have listened to the first few hours of the show on a busy matchnight when plenty of football games have taken place, it can be a decent listen. Lots of calls are taken and pleasingly they're not all from fans of Premier League clubs either. While I'd stop short at saying Andy Goldstein's Football League knowledge is really strong; he, Jason and Bobby at least show a genuine interest in the opinions and experiences of their callers who are travelling back from matches played throughout the three divisions and let them have their say without much in the way of interruption or a need to rush them along. As much of a fan of Call Collymore as I am (it is head and shoulders above 606 right now in my view), The Sports Bar is probably a far better platform for fans of lower league clubs to have their say.

However, as you say, The Sports Bar has a very weak side to it too. On quiet nights British sports-wise and during the final hour or so of most shows, it does tend to degenerate into the sort of nonsense that has been well documented on here. This is a shame as many of the guests booked would no doubt sound good on the programmes that precede and follow it, and as certain substitute presenters for Andy Goldstein (Jonny Gould springs to mind) have proved the format can be turned into a decent listen even on the quietist of nights when in the right hands.

Here's a suggestion: upon April 2nd, could the new talkSPORT World programme gain the midnight hour from The Sports Bar? It is this hour where that show seems to struggle the most content-wise as even on the busiest of matchnights most of the travelling football fan input has tended to dry up by then, at least it has going by the programmes I have heard. Obviously it would make the new overnight shows a six hour stint but as the 3-5am section is mostly made up of pre-records at the moment (is this likely to change? We shall see) and 5-6am has long been a transitional hour into The Sports Breakfast, it wouldn't be such a marathon shift for the presenter as it would appear to the uninitiated. It would also bring the weekday output in line with the hours of the weekend overnight shows.
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Old 23-03-2012, 09:36
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Nigel has asked whether Talksport will still be hosting his website with all his songs after Mikes show switches to sport?!

Best of all to all Nigel from Maidstone fans. He'll still be calling in about cycling and himself after the show changes to its new format.
Yes I've just stumbled upon this call from Nigel as I was searching for this morning's call from Andy, I'll come back to that in a moment after I've spoken about the Maidstone wonder boy. I've clipped the call in the link below so I won't say too much except to add that like you say Zenton yes he's going to carry on calling in in future but talk about CYCLING. I got the impression even if Mike had left the station he still would have phoned in because he mentions something about "at least we'll know who we're speaking to" ... better warn you right at the end of the call he strangles the life out of 'When I fall In Love' ... the lad certainly knows how to knacker a great song.

http://www.4shared.com/mp3/L8FPACSZ/file.html

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The other thing I wanted to mention is the website dudes have been in there again changing things, I wanted to clip Andy's call last night to add on here but now they've changed stuff around it wouldn't let me hear Mike's show on the 'listen again', the earliest MG show available is Thursday nights. Mike's show began at 1.00am Friday the 23rd of March, at 9.00am today (Friday the 23rd) it will not let you have access to it, before they played around in there you most definitely could.
If someone wants to check this out and confirm it that would be very handy.


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Meant to mention also somewhere above Mike Graham really shouldn't be misleading people into believing they can still phone in about anything they like after the changeover. He is doing this with callers that ring in pro-current affairs, but when someone rings in that's looking forward to the changes he confirms to them it's going to be all sport???, make your mind up Mike, it's sounding very confusing.
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Old 23-03-2012, 10:04
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I think talkSPORT have missed a great opportunity to revamp major parts of schedules to coincide with the format changing to all sport. I would guess a lot of listeners would really have welcomed wholesale changes to some of the tired out shows that have now been running for a good number of years. It's making money so why change it surely cannot be an answer, Ian Collins, a decent bloke at heart knew his show was becoming old and dead-beat so he did the right thing for everyone when he fell voluntarily on his sword, I would not in a million years expect any of those left to do the same thing of course, it is Moz that should be taking the bull by the horns and making some new refreshing changes, but no chance of that eh?, ... "we're making money so I'm the best station controller on earth"

Aren't we soon coming up to Sony awards time soon? ... better make room in your bedside cabinet for more medals Moz surely you'll win SCOTY again with this latest decision to go 24/4 premier league football. {well I know for a fact Ned will be voting for you so you must have a change again}
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Old 23-03-2012, 10:11
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The talkSPORT website appears to have a new design.

And, the new overnight show is called "talkSPORT World" - from NFL to NBA, from America to Australia, talkSPORT goes global to bring you the best of the action from every corner of the planet
I'm always being told on here radio stations do their research and know exactly what their listeners want, so has talkSPORT done sufficient research this time to know for certain that the talkSPORT overnight listener wants NFL, NBA, ABC and MFI on their favourite radio station 5 hours a night?.
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Old 23-03-2012, 10:15
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I must admit that Mike doesn't sound very convincing when trying to pacify his regulars about what they can talk about after the so-called switchover.

Surely as host, he must know what will be allowed; i.e., SPORT only & no talking about current affairs or you mum or 'prostrate'.

I have a gut feeling that Mike isn't going to stick out this new format.; he knows nothing about sport, so why would he?
I am now convinced the reason Mike Graham is pacifying both pro-24/7 sports fans and anti-24/7 sports fans is simply because he is getting frightened all his regular callers will stop ringing in and he'll be left with hardly any callers to speak to, I really think it's that simple, no callers equals no job for Mike.
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Old 23-03-2012, 10:20
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The hardened regulars can steer any conversation around to their personnel agenda. Christine is especially skilled at spinning any topic around to God and Nigel won't give a hoot about any sporting topics, just himself, the weather and his mum.

Its the end of the Peoples Republic of Mike Graham and with it all of it's citizens. Im not a big sporting fan but I'd rather listen to a well presented, informative and dynamic sporting show than it's current state of mixed topics that never take off, with few callers that get cut off for the latest update on the Malaysian croquet finals.

Mike did have a boxing commentator on this morning who hinted he was to be a regular with MMA news and how Mike was going to have to brush up on his knowledge of mixed martial arts.
Good point about Graham having to brush up on his boxing but it's not just boxing is it, he's going to have to really get in tune with football [the premier variety naturally] because to be blunt about it I don't think he knows Jack $hit about the game.
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Old 23-03-2012, 10:28
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Not on talkSPORT World we won't. Not sure why people are continuing to run with this assumption that the new overnight shows will be heavily reliant on English football chat when all the evidence we have is to the contrary.

The synopsises for said show on the newly revamped talkSPORT website are: "Mike Graham hosts the fastest sports show on the dial featuring reaction to the sport at home and abroad" and "from NFL to NBA, from America to Australia, talkSPORT goes global to bring you the best of the action from every corner of the planet". That should give you an idea that it won't be standard Drive Time fare.



This would be Gareth A Davies, the Daily Telegraph's boxing and MMA correspondent who is a regular phone guest on Hawksbee & Jacobs. It wouldn't surprise me if he is to be a regular voice on talkSPORT World.

Tucked away on the talkSPORT website is the first edition of Gareth's "brand new boxing show for talkSPORT," a 30 minutes long podcast-style show that you could imagine being incorporated into one of the new overnight programmes. Boxing fans on here: give it a listen and let us know what you think.

I've also noticed from Mike's page on the talkSPORT website that former Radio 5 Live Formula 1 commentator Maurice Hamilton has popped up on a few occasions to discuss F1 on the Independent Republic.
Difference with respect they can call the new overnight show whatever they like the majority of the calls will be concerning English football not NFL and NBA, let's give it a couple of months and we'll talk about it again, if I was wrong I will say I was.

And by the way no phoning in using different names and voices to get the American sports callers numbers up.
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Old 23-03-2012, 10:36
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I am now convinced the reason Mike Graham is pacifying both pro-24/7 sports fans and anti-24/7 sports fans is simply because he is getting frightened all his regular callers will stop ringing in and he'll be left with hardly any callers to speak to, I really think it's that simple, no callers equals no job for Mike.
Not quite. The number of callers is irrelevant, listeners are all that matters. If they can fill 5 hours with various correspondents and make it informative and interesting, then callers aren't required. Seems to work for the majority of H&J and Keys and Gray,
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Old 23-03-2012, 10:50
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Not quite. The number of callers is irrelevant, listeners are all that matters. If they can fill 5 hours with various correspondents and make it informative and interesting, then callers aren't required. Seems to work for the majority of H&J and Keys and Gray,
That's an interesting theory so your saying make the show more of a magazine type show than a phone-in show?, yes it could work but I think a lot of listeners would turn off if the phone calls ever stopped or virtually stopped.
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Old 23-03-2012, 12:29
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That's an interesting theory so your saying make the show more of a magazine type show than a phone-in show?, yes it could work but I think a lot of listeners would turn off if the phone calls ever stopped or virtually stopped.
The description of the show makes it sound like 5 Live's Up All Night but with sport being the main issue rather than a phone-in about sport from around the world. You don't necessarily need an expert on sport to host it, as long as they have a working knowledge and can ask the right questions for the experts to work with. (If you listen to the World Football Phone In, it's obvious the presenter knows sod all, which makes it frustrating when he talks over the experts!)
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That's an interesting theory so your saying make the show more of a magazine type show than a phone-in show?, yes it could work but I think a lot of listeners would turn off if the phone calls ever stopped or virtually stopped.
Actually there could be an argument that the best programming talkSport deliver are when members of the public/white van man/weirdo callers are kept well away from the shows (or have as little contact as possible):

Keys & Gray
My Sporting Life
Football / Rugby Commentaries
Match Day Live
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Old 23-03-2012, 16:41
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The description of the show makes it sound like 5 Live's Up All Night but with sport being the main issue rather than a phone-in about sport from around the world. You don't necessarily need an expert on sport to host it, as long as they have a working knowledge and can ask the right questions for the experts to work with. (If you listen to the World Football Phone In, it's obvious the presenter knows sod all, which makes it frustrating when he talks over the experts!)
Given that Mike's show is five hours long and also taking into account it's in the dead of the night how much of the show do you reckon will be taken up on discussing home football matters?. I know they're saying they're going to cover American sports etc but surely UK listeners will only take so much having to listen to sports that most of them don't follow or in a lot of cases even understand the rules. As I have said before I am biased because I wanted current affairs leaving alone I am just trying to get an handle on how all this is going to work, I had previously always figured the people who stay up all night listening to radio are not in the main football enthusiasts more your older, into politics/current affairs type chat show person, maybe we are about to find out.
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Actually there could be an argument that the best programming talkSport deliver are when members of the public/white van man/weirdo callers are kept well away from the shows (or have as little contact as possible):

Keys & Gray
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H&J
That does seem the case with the football related shows doesn't it, do you agree with me that the breakfast show needs an urgent blood transfusion? (BUT DEFINITELY NOT ALAN BRAZIL'S BLOOD let's have THAT very clear) ... or what about moving H&J to another slot it might just make it sound freshened up a bit, I won't bother suggesting owt for the sports bar ok, I'd be wasting my time wouldn't I.
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That does seem the case with the football related shows doesn't it, do you agree with me that the breakfast show needs an urgent blood transfusion? (BUT DEFINITELY NOT ALAN BRAZIL'S BLOOD let's have THAT very clear) ... or what about moving H&J to another slot it might just make it sound freshened up a bit, I won't bother suggesting owt for the sports bar ok, I'd be wasting my time wouldn't I.
I hardly listen to the breakfast show any more, mainly because of Brazil, rather than Irani. I can't see how H&J would work in another time slot tbh.

I'd love to see major changes to breakfast but there's not much point in me moaning about it, as it probably isn't going to happen.
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Actually there could be an argument that the best programming talkSport deliver are when members of the public/white van man/weirdo callers are kept well away from the shows (or have as little contact as possible):

Keys & Gray
My Sporting Life
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That is a good point Ned, I like all of the above.

I don't think phone-ins generate that much revenue for the station even at 5.00 a call.
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That is a good point Ned, I like all of the above.

I don't think phone-ins generate that much revenue for the station even at 5.00 a call.
Is that about the average it costs 5.00?, if so it's an absolute disgrace.
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Old 23-03-2012, 17:11
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I am now convinced the reason Mike Graham is pacifying both pro-24/7 sports fans and anti-24/7 sports fans is simply because he is getting frightened all his regular callers will stop ringing in and he'll be left with hardly any callers to speak to, I really think it's that simple, no callers equals no job for Mike.
I bet Mike would prefer the overnight to be a mixed bag as he knows the regulars will always keep phoning in.
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Is that about the average it costs 5.00?, if so it's an absolute disgrace.
Yes given the time you are put on hold that would be about the average cost, I also remember Adam (freewales) saying it was about that price too.
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Old 23-03-2012, 17:22
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I bet Mike would prefer the overnight to be a mixed bag as he knows the regulars will always keep phoning in.
I am not picking on MG here I promise but how can you hope to have serious debate on footballing matters when Mike knows virtually nothing about football or any other sport come to that, if they want sport on overnights then they should have installed someone with the credentials to host it. I don't hold with the theory that you can have 'experts' on hand to help him out, he's either a sports presenter or he is not that is just how I see it I'm afraid.
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