[The Turk]

Originally Posted by Josquius

That's wrong.
There's quite a marked genetic divide roughly along the lines of the old Danelaw.

And actually anglo-saxons aren't one people. The south was mainly settled by Saxons. The north, and parts of Scotland, by Angles.

Oh, I know. I admit I was using the Anglo-Saxon word to save time on the point I was making but you're right, I should've acknowledged the difference between the Angles and the Saxons and as a result, the difference between the northerners (and south-east Scots) and the southerners.

In my defence though, I happened to be doing some research on them these last few weeks (on wikipedia) and it seems they inhabited the same sort of area in northern Germany including the Jutland peninsula. So Im willing to believe the two tribes were closely related at least.

[The Exiled Dub]

Originally Posted by Josquius

No but nationalism and being anti-anything-remotely-British purely for the sake of it is.

Ireland hasn't been anti British for a long time now, much the same as Britain is no longer anti Irish. All in the past.

[edEx]

Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27

i really hope you didn't pursue a career involving anything to do with geography

I would have with thought that sort of knowledge he would be perfect as a Ryanair pilot.

After all their flights to "Vienna" don't even land in Austria

[camer]

Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27

Are u in ireland/Eire then?

indeed I am

[Josquius]

Originally Posted by The Exiled Dub

Ireland hasn't been anti British for a long time now, much the same as Britain is no longer anti Irish. All in the past.

Ireland in general hasn't no. I was speaking of the Irish far right though. To hear some of the garbage they spew out you'd think it was still the 1920s.
Hell.
Not even that.
An alternate universe 1920s where the dastardly Brits are forever plotting to conquer Ireland and eat all the babies.

[camer]

Originally Posted by Josquius

Ireland in general hasn't no. I was speaking of the Irish far right though. To hear some of the garbage they spew out you'd think it was still the 1920s.
Hell.
Not even that.
An alternate universe 1920s where the dastardly Brits are forever plotting to conquer Ireland and eat all the babies.

They never ate, they just drowned them.

[blue_cobalt]

Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27

I ignored her but my english mates and incidentally others in the pub confronted her and told her she was out of line!!

I really like the english and I loved living in England

All 50 million of them?

[Strathpeffer]

Only outside Ireland!

[sorcha_healy27]

Originally Posted by Josquius

Ireland in general hasn't no. I was speaking of the Irish far right though. To hear some of the garbage they spew out you'd think it was still the 1920s.
Hell.
Not even that.
An alternate universe 1920s where the dastardly Brits are forever plotting to conquer Ireland and eat all the babies.

who are u talking about when you refer to the irish far right? we don't have a far right party

If you're referring to Sinn Fein, then they are left wing

[Indo]

Originally Posted by edEx

I would have with thought that sort of knowledge he would be perfect as a Ryanair pilot.

After all their flights to "Vienna" don't even land in Austria

The point I was making was that no one in the entire Island calls Ireland Eire. It's a foreign to us as is some remote part of Scotland. It's only used in England.

[sorcha_healy27]

Originally Posted by Josquius

No but nationalism and being anti-anything-remotely-British purely for the sake of it is.

nationalism does not necessarily equate to being right wing

Also where have you gotten the idea that people in Ireland are anti british? most people were anti british rule NOT anti british and there is a big difference

you seem to think Irish people all hate britain but i suggest you come and visit Ireland and you'll see the complete opposite

[Josquius]

Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27

nationalism does not necessarily equate to being right wing

Yes it does.
Nationalism=right wing.
Internationalism=left wing.

Also where have you gotten the idea that people in Ireland are anti british? most people were anti british rule NOT anti british and there is a big difference

Where did you get that idea?

you seem to think Irish people all hate britain but i suggest you come and visit Ireland and you'll see the complete opposite

err what? I do?

who are u talking about when you refer to the irish far right? we don't have a far right party

If you're referring to Sinn Fein, then they are left wing

Iffy.
The BNP are technically left wing on a lot of fronts. However the only important thing about them is their nationalism, its overriding. Hence they're far right.
Sinn Fein....their left wing stuff is more than lip service. What with them getting some real power it has to be. Nonetheless for many of their number the nationalism is all that counts. Perhaps because there isn't an out and out far right party the Irish far right tends to end up under their banner.

[sorcha_healy27]

Originally Posted by Josquius

Yes it does.
Nationalism=right wing.
Internationalism=left wing.


Where did you get that idea?


err what? I do?



Iffy.
The BNP are technically left wing on a lot of fronts. However the only important thing about them is their nationalism, its overriding. Hence they're far right.
Sinn Fein....their left wing stuff is more than lip service. What with them getting some real power it has to be. Nonetheless for many of their number the nationalism is all that counts. Perhaps because there isn't an out and out far right party the Irish far right tends to end up under their banner.

there's no irish equivalent to the BNP thank god!! although nick griffin apparantly was trying to get together with irish fascists on the internet to start one up

[bean999]

Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27

there's no irish equivalent to the BNP thank god!! although nick griffin apparantly was trying to get together with irish fascists on the internet to start one up

There doesn't need to be, it's the basis of Nationalism and the Republic.

Sinn Fein = "we ourselves". Who's 'we'?

[The Exiled Dub]

Originally Posted by bean999

There doesn't need to be, it's the basis of Nationalism and the Republic.

Sinn Fein = "we ourselves". Who's 'we'?

When they were founded it was along the lines of we ourselves should have the right of self determination rather than having to submit to an occupying power. We ourselves being the Irish people.

[pinkteddyx64]

Originally Posted by 1066andallthat

Most EU countries have better survival rates than the UK.

Really? And just WHERE is your evidence to support your propaganda?

I hate it when somebody on the Digital Spy forums posts something like what you just posted, but doesn't cite their sources!

[jy1541]

The Irish nation extends over the whole of Ireland. There is overlap with the British nation, but this doesn't change that fact. Part of the Irish nation is within the UK, so by definition a lot of Irish people are not in any way foreign.

[bean999]

Originally Posted by blue_cobalt

Considering Ireland used to be part of the UK, are Irish people really foreign? Or are they less foreign than people from other countries?

Probably the real answer is it's up to them, not up to us (UK passport holders). I've just had a conversation with someone living in London who regards the English as if they were Eskimos. When I said to him I didn't see he was different from me he wasn't having it! So some are foreign, some aren't. In the Republic you can join the GAA and look down your nose at basically everybody else, or you can mix in with your neighbours. Set your own horizon I suppose.

My relatives were always anglophiles in modern language, or just British in old language. Just your average middle class people. Personally I am a bit foreign, not because of my Irish connections, but because of my weird Polish/Lithuanian/Belarussian ones . Although these days even that doesn't matter very much.