[gazb2]

Originally Posted by yellowlabbie

But there have been nasty posts about Jorgie, Andy, Chemmy etc. It happens all the time on here. I don't like personal comments, they are trying to entertain us after all. I think most are just saying that she's not as good as the other 3, which is true. I don't dislike Jen, I just don't think she deserves the final 3.

Agreed. I don't like watching Jen skate as much as I do the other 3, and wouldn't miss her if she leaves the competition.

I think 'hate' is a crazy word to use, as this is only a bit of fun and some good television on Sunday nights

[Tiggergirl]

Originally Posted by gazb2

Agreed. I don't like watching Jen skate as much as I do the other 3, and wouldn't miss her if she leaves the competition.

I think 'hate' is a crazy word to use, as this is only a bit of fun and some good television on Sunday nights

So if its only a bit of fun then why do you keep encouraging people to vote against Jennifer? If it was only fun you wouldn't be so set against her and trying to encourage this and you wouldn't be so adamant in your complaints about her.

[gazb2]

Originally Posted by Tiggergirl

So if its only a bit of fun then why do you keep encouraging people to vote against Jennifer? If it was only fun you wouldn't be so set against her and trying to encourage this and you wouldn't be so adamant in your complaints about her.

I think your reading way too much in to what I've said before. I'm adamant that I feel the judges are trying to make a 'too close to call' competition and awarding her marks she doesn't deserve...there was no way her routine last week should have bet Jorgie....but this is all just my opinion. I'm not aggressive...unlike yourself

[thenetworkbabe]

Originally Posted by gazb2

You must be very disappointed with Dancing On Ice then as a whole. 'Jai Ho' was gobsmackingly brilliant !! You wont get another routine like it...

Its the most consistently themed routine and goes with its music best. That may be because its choregraphed by pprofessionals in its own field of dancing and its music dictates its content. Its just a fact though its not as difficult as Music, and there's much less of it timewise.

[thenetworkbabe]

Originally Posted by TraceyUK

Dan is more than capable of doing the same stuff as Matt or Andrei, he just doesnt get given it by Jayne and Chris, he has to skate what he has been given.
I have seen Dan skate in professional shows and KNOW what he is able to do as I have seen him, seems this years DOI is all about how much people can hate Dan and Jen, which is totally unfair IMO

If he can do overhead lifts with girls the same size as Matt and Andrei do them with (and Hayley is very similar to Clare and Suzanne), why doesn't he get them to do? Is it something physical (which you suggest not) or, what the person actually coaching them decides , or do T and D just fall into a pattern and give him the same moves, or was that a year when they were just playing safer all around?

I didn't say anything about this year. Jennifer is a different build to Hayley and a different level of skater- though she's up there on the acting and dancing scales.

[thenetworkbabe]

Originally Posted by Tiggergirl

Dan isn't actually a pairs skater so there will be some difference as to what he can do as opposed to someone like Matt who has basically trained and performed as a pairs peformer however Dan has proven that he is capable of doing big moves as an example he has done the headbanger with other partners and why would there be a question over what he could put in that time its T&D that choreo the routines remember and in the case of that particular number an outside choreographer was brought in.

Also you refer to the "people" Suzanne and Clare had on tour as a substitute they both had the same skater and that was Lucasz who I think is more than capable of tackling the big moves.

Its not a Dan thing - i think the routines all got shorter. If there's less time you just won't have the scope to put as many moves in.He can't do whats not there and they can't put it into Jai Ho if there's no time. Jai Ho's also got the other problem - that its not easy to see what moves would have fitted into such a themed routine without looking strange.

Thats my impression of why Matt gets different routines too.

Lucasz can do the moves and more, but when he has done them with Alexandra its noticeable that she is is tiny. With Clare and Suzanne they couldn't do what they could before, and I got the impression looking at them that even they are too tall for him.

[yellowlabbie]

Originally Posted by gazb2

Agreed. I don't like watching Jen skate as much as I do the other 3, and wouldn't miss her if she leaves the competition.

I think 'hate' is a crazy word to use, as this is only a bit of fun and some good television on Sunday nights

Yes, I only watch because I love ice-skating. I am looking forward to The Worlds later this month. I prefer the real thing.

[yellowlabbie]

Originally Posted by Tiggergirl

Yes there are odd nasty posts about them but when you have posters setting up a thread to have a go about Jennifers mole for example thats going to a new low. I don't think the others except perhaps Chemmy have actually had that much abuse on the forum. Also setting up threads basically trying to encourage people to vote for someone else to get rid of Jennifer is more than just thinking she isn't as good as the others that to me is more hate.

The problem is most are blinded to the fact that she has improved and are insistent on her not having progressed at all when she clearly has and thats the point I am making. Yes I accept some simply think she is not as good as the others I don't really rate Jorgie shes good but for me she doesn't appeal that doesn't mean I will start a vote whoever campaign against her or dig at her personal appearance.

To say Jennifer has not improved at all and has no technical skill and so on and is constantly overmarked is just being petty because they have a dislike of her. To me the best approach is to say I prefer so and so but not resorting to pettyness just because you don't rate the other person.

I agree about Jen, she has improved but not enough to be in the final. She hasn't had difficult routines like the other 3 so she has had more chance to improve her basic skating.
I can't be bothered with all the personal insults, it's childish and best ignored.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by Veri

Hayley was very over-rated. He only impressive bit of skating was a spin, and it was done from a standing start. She was given good choreography (even bringing in outside experts), but to be impressive, it relied heavily on arm dancing, dancing on toe picks, etc, rather than skating or even lifts.

Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe

i think, and its a long time since I looked at the timing on the routines, so I may be wrong, that Hayleys's routine was considerably shorter than earlier series routines like Suzanne's and possibly even Clare's. In that sense Hayley can't do much more in Jai Ho. I think its a great routine, but its lacking another big move, in the time thats not there, to get near to Music which has as much dancing, a bit weaker organising theme but , I think, 5 big moves. There's also a question mark over what Dan could put into that extra time - i just don't think he can do the moves Matt or Andrei can - nor could the people Suzanne and Clare had as substitutes on tour. Not sure that that means Hayley couldn't do those moves, as I haven't seen Hayley skate with Matt .

Originally Posted by gazb2

Sorry....your 'even bringing in outside experts' comment is completely irrelevant as that week on Dancing On Ice - EVERY single celebrity had outside help one way or another. If you don't believe me...youtube another routine from that week.

Not that much outside help. Besides, even if they all had exactly the same amount, it would still be a reason to think Hayley "was given good choreography (even bringing in outside experts)". What part of that is refuted by others also having outside help? None of it.

In any case, my main point was that to be impressive, Hayley's routines relied heavily on arm dancing, dancing on toe picks, etc, rather than skating or even lifts -- not only in Jai ho.

Which also answers thenetworkbabe's post. If Hayley were capable of equally impressive moves that were done while skating, she could have done them instead of the non-skating ones without taking any more time.

And when I said "her only impressive bit of skating was a spin, and it was done from a standing start", I didn't mean only in Jai Ho: I meant in the entire series. Her spin is what people always point to when trying to argue that she was a good skater, because they have to: because there is nothing else.

[TraceyUK]

Originally Posted by Veri

Not that much outside help. Besides, even if they all had exactly the same amount, it would still be a reason to think Hayley "was given good choreography (even bringing in outside experts)". What part of that is refuted by others also having outside help? None of it.

In any case, my main point was that to be impressive, Hayley's routines relied heavily on arm dancing, dancing on toe picks, etc, rather than skating or even lifts -- not only in Jai ho.

Which also answers thenetworkbabe's post. If Hayley were capable of equally impressive moves that were done while skating, she could have done them instead of the non-skating ones without taking any more time.

And when I said "her only impressive bit of skating was a spin, and it was done from a standing start", I didn't mean only in Jai Ho: I meant in the entire series. Her spin is what people always point to when trying to argue that she was a good skater, because they have to: because there is nothing else.

And even the spin wasnt that impressive as she travelled on it.

[Tejas]

Why on earth is there so much venom towards Hayley on here? OK, some people don't like her... but we're talking a contestant from TWO YEARS ago! She won't even be doing the tour this year and might never be in a skating show again, so why not just let it go!?

[penelopesimpson]

Originally Posted by Tejas

Why on earth is there so much venom towards Hayley on here? OK, some people don't like her... but we're talking a contestant from TWO YEARS ago! She won't even be doing the tour this year and might never be in a skating show again, so why not just let it go!?

Oh, surely you can work that one out? The show is boring, there is so little to discuss that an out of date celebrity who never was an in date celebrity becomes a topic of conversation. Draw your own conclusions

[petertard]

Jai Ho, super. Apart from that, nothing.

[Snow_Leopard]

Originally Posted by penelopesimpson

Oh, surely you can work that one out? The show is boring, there is so little to discuss that an out of date celebrity who never was an in date celebrity becomes a topic of conversation. Draw your own conclusions

I don't understand it either. The show is not boring and there is plenty to discuss about this years.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by Helena Handcart

...
It's interesting that most years the winner is a live performer of some kind (rather than someone who only works in a studio). Like most live performers Hayley has the knack of 'switching on' when she is in front of a live audience and it brings the performance alive.

Or irritates the heck out of the viewers who see it as put on and artificially exaggerated.

Originally Posted by tabithakitten

I do wish that the judges (and others) would stick to critiquing the current series rather than try to convince us that x, y or z is the best skater or crop of skaters they've ever had. Even when somebody does come along and prove to be amazing, there's no need to compare across series. Each series is different - the celebs are only competing against those from their year. That, for me, was the problem with Hayley. In my opinion she was comfortably the best of her year but the implication that sometimes came across that she was the best ever riled somewhat. There's no need for it - it doesn't do the celeb any favours even if it might be true.

I agree: hyping someone as the best ever doubles, in effect, as a negative comment about everyone else and is bound to irritate some of those who prefer other contestants.

Originally Posted by Tejas

Why on earth is there so much venom towards Hayley on here? ...

What venom? Some people didn't like her as a contestant or thought she was overrated, but their comments haven't been venomous.

[JohnCurry]

If anyone is interested, the powers-that-be seem to have finally decided to unblock Haley's aerial ballet.

Hayley Tamaddon - The Final part 1

[ABCZYX]

What put me off her was she came across very stage school and she reeked of desperation. She was so desperate to win the show, saying how it was her whole life, (or wtte). It just put me off her and I was more annoyed than amazed when she performed because of this.