[cobaye22]

Originally Posted by circle game

some would take it further and say that watching BB or getting involved in the discussion on threads like this is equally unhealthy.

My view is that it's largely up to the individual, as we do live in a 'free country'. Josie has a right to live her life as she sees fit, as do we all. We might find fault with her behaviour, and label her a narcissist, but our posts pointing this out are in themselves subject to scrutiny. We are each responsible for our own behaviour. What is 'healthy' in relation to BB (and to life in the media) is a subjective judgment.

Thank you. I wanted to make this post, but I'm not articulate
enough.

[Queen__Bea]

What exactly is a JJJ anyway?

[Pilotofthestorm]

Originally Posted by Queen__Bea

What exactly is a JJJ anyway?

Well the dictionary definition of a JJJ is as follows: One that is not authentic or genuine; a sham

However this definition may be out of date as JJJ's as we know them are now extinct.

Happy to help

[Nosnikrapl]

Originally Posted by Pilotofthestorm

Well the dictionary definition of a JJJ is as follows: One that is not authentic or genuine; a sham

However this definition may be out of date as JJJ's as we know them are now extinct.

Happy to help

LOL

[patsylimerick]

I think those who applauded Josie's vomiting in taxis etc. and her pack-attacking anyone who displeased her; those who name-called and plotted to bait on here if anyone said a word against her and those who engaged in the pack mentality ostracisation of anyone with a different opinion certainly COULD do with a little self-reflection.

[Anbud]

Originally Posted by cobaye22

Thank you. I wanted to make this post, but I'm not articulate
enough.

lolol. have you read my bad grammer. anything you type will be fine.

[circle game]

Originally Posted by Pilotofthestorm

Well the dictionary definition of a JJJ is as follows: One that is not authentic or genuine; a sham

However this definition may be out of date as JJJ's as we know them are now extinct.

Happy to help

This could be a little confusing to the uninitiated! If a JJJ is a sham, then surely by seeking to prove it (them) fake you are seeking to uphold the genuine nature of their relationship. Otherwise the roles of prosecution and defence are reversed.

It is out of date, I agree...should the are in the title of the thread not be changed to were?

[Anbud]

Originally Posted by Queen__Bea

What exactly is a JJJ anyway?

its 2 persons with jjj in their names. other then that it means nothing.

sad to say the female with a J got connected to the male jj. but their is a JJ bird that is emotionaly closer to the JJ then the one with one J to its name.

[cobaye22]

I am baffled by all of the last four posts

[Anbud]

Originally Posted by cobaye22

I am baffled by all of the last four posts

aww unbaffle youself.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by cobaye22

I am baffled by all of the last four posts

Here's a hint - quote one and ask a question. Not your style though, that.

[Pilotofthestorm]

Originally Posted by circle game

This could be a little confusing to the uninitiated! If a JJJ is a sham, then surely by seeking to prove it (them) fake you are seeking to uphold the genuine nature of their relationship. Otherwise the roles of prosecution and defence are reversed.

It is out of date, I agree...should the are in the title of the thread not be changed to were?

Ummmm don't really care TBH, I was just having a laff

[cobaye22]

Originally Posted by Anbud

aww unbaffle youself.

I am officially unbaffled - was rushing for a bus.

(apart from circle game post 2632 - but I think she's clever)

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Here's a hint - quote one and ask a question. Not your style though, that.

A fair point :-

Some people post for company and a chat

Some people post because they want to win the argument. Not me - this thread is proof of that - Ten thousand words won't convince anyone who doesn't believe.

TFM once told me she posted because she couldn't stand injustice.

I post occasionally because I really want to say something.
Usually it comes out sarcastic, snide or PA (one for the enthusiasts there).
And usually I look at it the next day and think I'm a f**king eejit & I'm never going back on that sad as shit thread for the rest of my life.
I saw Circlegame's post tonight though & it was like - THATS what I've always wanted to say. I could have sweated over a keyboard for a week & never come out with that.

So - big weight off my shoulders.
(I should flounce at this point but nobody would notice)

Some of us can't put our thoughts into words very easily - we're called Lurkers. There are a lot of us - look at the court thread stats.

And don't be complaining how little I post Patsy - be thankful I don't post more.

[HappyTree]

I haven't seen anyone arguing that Josie doesn't have the right to act however she wants, though I have seen some good reasons for why how she wants to act most of the time is a generally bad idea. And I haven't seen any for why it might be a good idea.

So maybe someone might like to try to argue this rather than just stating she can do what she likes which is a truism that doesn't address the positive or negative repercussions of lying and fakery.

[AlexBB3]

Originally Posted by Vesna

I'm not convinced she's damaged, she does damage but I'm not convinced she is damaged. No moreso than most people on both counts anyway.

I don't think Josie is 'damaged' either. I see her as a functioning member of society, with some character defects. I'm not going down a line which says anyone with character defects is damaged. If a specialist diagnosed a particular personality disorder that would be different, but saying someone has strong narcissist tendencies doesn't mean they're damaged imo.

Originally Posted by Nosnikrapl

The only 3 housemates with any real fanbases in the semi-final were John James / Corin / Sam. It is no co-incidence that they got the highest no. of votes to evict as the fanbases turned on each other. Steve was always a good (anyone but candidate) & a possible higher vote from the casual viewer so he was an obvious other one to take out. It was all so obvious. Tactical voting would have kicked in & if Josie was up & she would have been the 4th target rather than Steve - far more of a threat to a win for Corin / Steve. Do you honestly not think that the combined fan-base of these two could not muster up 10% vote to get Josie out.

I agree with this. Absent the special pass, I'm convinced Josie would have been out as well, The half-way poll stats of pros and antis for each HM showed she had the 2nd highest no of anti-votes so, even without tactical voting, she would have been vulnerable. Marmite characters will invariably go in a vote to evict when there's a lot of deadwood up as well (and the 4 out of 8 mechanism stopped the fanbases from saving their preferred HMs)

Originally Posted by Anbud

wow, good read . but I got a but. no way will I analize every grain of salt to find a reason to why a person taking part in a game show for £100.000 is using anything they can to get that money...

If you're saying what I think you're saying, then I agree it's a major factor to keep in mind. Namely BB HMs do what they think gives them the best chance of the win (and the post-show income opportunities). It's not just about analysing their character.

Originally Posted by augusta92

Surely someone like Paris Hilton has been a narcassist all her life.....yet she has been encouraged to be as she is...not criticised?

I've no idea whether Paris Hilton is a narcissist. Many celebs/zelebs seem to be self-absorbed and many will be ruthless and driven to the point of selfishness and treading on others, but narcissism is something different imo. This is a bit over-simplistic, but I visualise a narc as sucking the life out of those around them to feed their own emotional need. There was an episode of StarTrek (TOS) where a creature could only survive by sucking the salt out of visiting humans ie, the salt was its essential food and it had no empathy with the human victims. And no I'm not saying the creature 'is' Josie . . . . just a way I visualise narcissism because so few peeps really understand it (unless, like TFM seems to have done, you've lived with a textbook one).

Originally Posted by circle game

I understand what you are saying, but you could say it was not healthy for her to go on BB in the first place. Indeed, is it healthy for anybody? Some would say not.

some would take it further and say that watching BB or getting involved in the discussion on threads like this is equally unhealthy.

My view is that it's largely up to the individual, as we do live in a 'free country'. Josie has a right to live her life as she sees fit, as do we all. We might find fault with her behaviour, and label her a narcissist, but our posts pointing this out are in themselves subject to scrutiny. We are each responsible for our own behaviour. What is 'healthy' in relation to BB (and to life in the media) is a subjective judgment.

Totally. Personally, I can think of very few peeps who imo shouldn't have been allowed in BB in the first place (Shahbaz maybe), but from reading round others seem to think there have been many vulnerables (or undesirables) who should have been filtered out.

Originally Posted by augusta92

I could start to get a bit sarcastic here......cos I have no idea in reality of the truth of it.....

my gut feeling is that it is the lack of nurture and care in her life that have led to some of her problems and issues..

but I could do a massive jeremy kyle style expose...and ask about her genetic background and relatives.... and wonder if there are any defective genes in her background?

Think I'm broadly with you on this nature v nurture discussion (if I've understood you correctly). Unless there's a diagnosed genetic or other disorder, it's pretty speculative as to why someone is like they are (particularly when we know so little about them, like BB HMs).

The one opinion on this I would be willing to venture is that, in general, imo nurture has a stronger influence than nature. And since I've no reason to believe Josie has any personality disorder, I go along with a view that says her character defects are more as a result of her upbringing (same with John). I also think her narcissism is something which will have developed on the basis of her life experiences, far more than due to any pre-disposition.

Originally Posted by Pilotofthestorm

Ummmm don't really care TBH, I was just having a laff

Have been smiling at some of the posts on this page, your's in particular POTS!

[Nosnikrapl]

Originally Posted by AlexBB3

Think I'm broadly with you on this nature v nurture discussion (if I've understood you correctly). Unless there's a diagnosed genetic or other disorder, it's pretty speculative as to why someone is like they are (particularly when we know so little about them, like BB HMs).

The one opinion on this I would be willing to venture is that, in general, imo nurture has a stronger influence than nature. And since I've no reason to believe Josie has any personality disorder, I go along with a view that says her character defects are more as a result of her upbringing (same with John). I also think her narcissism is something which will have developed on the basis of her life experiences, far more than due to any pre-disposition.

Exactly where I come from. Josie behaviour is as a result of her upbringing rather than being born to behave that way, This is based on what we do know about her background but more importantly all the knowledge that there is about Narcissism & how it develops.

[patsylimerick]

It's nice to see someone with such a high opinion of themselves, Cobaye. I couldn't give a continental whether you post or not. If you're not responding in some way or other to one of my posts, I'll probably not even read it. Most of the time I agree with the analysis you have just given of the thread.

However, I pride myself on never commenting on or attacking individual posters - not my style. Also against T&Cs.

The huge difference between commenting on posters and commenting on BB housemates - which is what the board is actually about, funnily enough - seems to routinely escape some people around here.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by cobaye22

I am officially unbaffled - was rushing for a bus.

(apart from circle game post 2632 - but I think she's clever)



A fair point :-

Some people post for company and a chat

Some people post because they want to win the argument. Not me - this thread is proof of that - Ten thousand words won't convince anyone who doesn't believe.

TFM once told me she posted because she couldn't stand injustice.

I post occasionally because I really want to say something.
Usually it comes out sarcastic, snide or PA (one for the enthusiasts there).
And usually I look at it the next day and think I'm a f**king eejit & I'm never going back on that sad as shit thread for the rest of my life.
I saw Circlegame's post tonight though & it was like - THATS what I've always wanted to say. I could have sweated over a keyboard for a week & never come out with that.

So - big weight off my shoulders.
(I should flounce at this point but nobody would notice)

Some of us can't put our thoughts into words very easily - we're called Lurkers. There are a lot of us - look at the court thread stats.

And don't be complaining how little I post Patsy - be thankful I don't post more.

One more thing. That bit in bold is either an attempt to get reported or an attempt to get the thread closed. As the thread is a conversation between individuals; you are calling those individuals 'sad as shit'. Which is darling. If popping in every now and again to declare your superiority floats your boat - go for it.

The only reason I open DSBB these days is to try and get to the end of that interminable Hurt & Heal game. When I post I post on GD. But force of habit always brings me in here for a catch-up. It now has more posters who were once JJJ fans than anyone else; which is, in one way, a poetic resolution of the question that it asks.

[mcworster]

I understand why those who are supportive of Josie, are annoyed sometimes by the posts on this thread, that is why i never posted for a long time. I was as wrapped up in the JJJ relationship as anyone and i really hated any suggestion that they were either not likely to survive as a couple once they left the BB house or that they were fake.
Despite not really liking either of them at the start of BB, i grew to be fond of them both (though mostly because of the relationship between them) and so didnt like to read some of the criticism about them.
Time has gone by and though i still believe they were a genuine couple, I cant ignore the way Josie, in particular, has behaved since leaving the house and that has impacted on my view of them in the house. I find it interesting to look back and see if it has changed my perspective!
Of course, its not that important, its old news now and there are far more important things happening in the world but im interested in discussing it, why some people saw one thing and i saw another. why we made the judgements we did and how we all brought our own experiences to that evaluation process. I still dont agree with some of the posters here, they dont agree with me but ive discovered that My opinion has been valued and accepted here as valid. I was very intimidated about coming here and posting, i had lurked for a long time but ive found it a welcoming and fair place. Long may it continue..... name change or not!

[muggins14]

Originally Posted by mcworster

I understand why those who are supportive of Josie, are annoyed sometimes by the posts on this thread, that is why i never posted for a long time. I was as wrapped up in the JJJ relationship as anyone and i really hated any suggestion that they were either not likely to survive as a couple once they left the BB house or that they were fake.
Despite not really liking either of them at the start of BB, i grew to be fond of them both (though mostly because of the relationship between them) and so didnt like to read some of the criticism about them.
Time has gone by and though i still believe they were a genuine couple, I cant ignore the way Josie, in particular, has behaved since leaving the house and that has impacted on my view of them in the house. I find it interesting to look back and see if it has changed my perspective!
Of course, its not that important, its old news now and there are far more important things happening in the world but im interested in discussing it, why some people saw one thing and i saw another. why we made the judgements we did and how we all brought our own experiences to that evaluation process. I still dont agree with some of the posters here, they dont agree with me but ive discovered that My opinion has been valued and accepted here as valid. I was very intimidated about coming here and posting, i had lurked for a long time but ive found it a welcoming and fair place. Long may it continue..... name change or not!

I agree, although I never felt I much fitted in, it's a welcoming thread It still intimidates me though

Apologies for the off-topic posts above. I shall avoid posting unless I have something relevant to say

[mcworster]

Originally Posted by muggins14

I agree, although I never felt I much fitted in, it's a welcoming thread It still intimidates me though

Apologies for the off-topic posts above. I shall avoid posting unless I have something relevant to say

Ali, you always have something relevant to say! I ramble on and forget what my point was in the beginning ....

[HappyTree]

Originally Posted by mcworster

didnt like to read some of the criticism about them

There is a simple solution to this.

[mcworster]

Originally Posted by HappyTree

There is a simple solution to this.

I know, thats what im saying, i kept away until i could join in and either agree or disagree in non confrontational way.

[augusta92]

Originally Posted by muggins14

Fair point, I have two brothers, one older one younger, I'm also the only girl (duh); we are all very different - I'm a loner but not an introvert, my older brother is an introvert and my younger brother is a social animal. However, they both have long-term partners (each over 15 years) and I don't. We are all very different and yet spring from the same loins so to speak (although one did attend boarding school, that changed him forever - not the school, but being sent).

We had a very happy upbringing all in all, albeit unusual living abroad, and our parents are still happy together after 50+ years - and yet neither of those brothers wants kids or wants to get married.

I do realise one thing that we all have in common, for a long time we all felt pressure from our pushy Dad and were under-achievers I think partly because of our reaction to this. Only when my younger brother left the country did he become successful and his own person.

Eek that could become one long rant, you've just given me a really good idea for my next topic on my blog!

I like reading your posts....they are interesting......


I wonder if the feeling of being an underachiever is also related to the times we lived in and through...?

your parents are of a similar age to mine....and they were brought up post war in a very different world, which was optimistic and full of opportunity...

whereas our world was a world of change and confusion...including schools etc...

my schooling was chaotic...I went to 4 different primary schools as my dad chased promotion....and being moved around and thrown into different schools every 5 minutes was extremely detrimental to my self confidence and self esteem...



I identify so much with your comment of being a loner, but not an introvert.....

[Anbud]

miss muggins.
don't know where else to type this.
there are times when having a child with issues, the mother forget themselvs,and spend all their time thinking how to better their childs life. I understand after all this time you are locked inn a different lifestyle. I wish I could help you in someway . I will with pleasure send you to a spa ,when you have a free day.or gave you a double bonus and send you to the movies too. hugs. hope I did not offend you .

ps I have 4 huge bags of stuff animals. (about 300) if laura likes stuff animals let me know . I will mail it to you.