[daveyboy7472]

I'd call it underpar rather than truly awful, as was the case with most of the Specials.

[lach doch mal]

Originally Posted by 2shy2007

I still watch it,there is just one episode from the last series that I havent watched yet, but at the moment its not grabbing me, but I know that eventually it will I am hoping I will like it better when the Ponds leave and we can get back to the Doctor being the centre of the Who universe again.

I wonder if that will happen under Moffat's direction. I have the feeling the new companion might take centrestage (I haven't read any spoilers by the way).

We'll see how it goes. I enjoyed the last few series well enough.

[sovietusername]

Originally Posted by 2shy2007

I still watch it,there is just one episode from the last series that I havent watched yet, but at the moment its not grabbing me, but I know that eventually it will I am hoping I will like it better when the Ponds leave and we can get back to the Doctor being the centre of the Who universe again.

I really dont see why people seem to think Moffs Whoniverse has focused entirely on Rory and Amy. We've had whole episodes with out seeing them(ish) and most episodes focus mainly on the Doc. I think it's just cos we've had them 2 longer than we've had other new series companions and they seem more important but their not really. If anything RTD's era seemed more about the companion than the Moffs does. Yes the series 5 finale hinged on Amy but I'll remind you all how it was Rose who saved the day in series 1, Martha who saved the day in series 3, and Donna who saved the day in series 4. I really like Amy and Rory, they and River are my favourite companions.

[TheSilentFez]

Haven't we had at least two other threads on the same topic? One of which lasted for many many pages...

[2shy2007]

I dont think it has focused entirely on the Ponds, but sometimes their story seems to take over and 11 is left like a spare part in the background, I want the Doctor to be the most important person in Who, and I shall be glad when Pond leaves as she grates on my last nerve.

Now I know how Rose haters felt,lol.

[Sophie ~Oohie~]

Originally Posted by 2shy2007

I dont think it has focused entirely on the Ponds, but sometimes their story seems to take over and 11 is left like a spare part in the background, I want the Doctor to be the most important person in Who, and I shall be glad when Pond leaves as she grates on my last nerve.

Now I know how Rose haters felt,lol.

I wonder if you will feel the same if she dies horribly while the Doctor watches unable to do anything, leaving him broken forever....

[2shy2007]

Originally Posted by Sophie ~Oohie~

I wonder if you will feel the same if she dies horribly while the Doctor watches unable to do anything, leaving him broken forever....

Yes !! I will love that, he always gets over it the more gruesome the better,lol

[Sophie ~Oohie~]

Originally Posted by 2shy2007

Yes !! I will love that, he always gets over it the more gruesome the better,lol

I agree with that, but not for the same reasons as I do quite like Amy and Rory. Although I guarantee this forum would be covered in argument juice for a week!

[HeadLouse]

I think it does get an overly harsh drubbing - sure there was a couple of cringe making moments, the one for me is the Doctor leaping from a moving spaceship, falling for god knows how high, crashing through a plate glass roof, spatting on a marble floor, & then getting up, where as Doctor four fell off a pylon, landed on grass & had to regenerate.

But there was good bits too, especially Bernard Cribbens, who stole the episode for me.

[Granny McSmith]

Originally Posted by lach doch mal

It always surprises me when a OP presents a wellknown marmite topic of the forum and asks for support for their hate of an episode that pretty much is known to attract controversial views anyway.

Here is a thread on the same topic from just a few days/weeks ago http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...ht=end+of+time (deals with David's goodbye).



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It seems that these sorts of threads are quite often about DT's tenure as Doctor. Which is why I usually ignore them - my opinion about him is well known and it's not going to change because some FM slags him off, whether it's just to cause an argument or not

It almost makes me want to reply in Ting's time honoured way - that's all in the past, must we harp on about it endlessly? Time to move on, Tennant isn't the Doctor any more etc.

[Sophie ~Oohie~]

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith

It seems that these sorts of threads are quite often about DT's tenure as Doctor. Which is why I usually ignore them - my opinion about him is well known and it's not going to change because some FM slags him off, whether it's just to cause an argument or not

It almost makes me want to reply in Ting's time honoured way - that's all in the past, must we harp on about it endlessly? Time to move on, Tennant isn't the Doctor any more etc.

What opinion is that?

[andy1231]

Can't agree with anything the OP has to say about these episodes. I thoroughly enjoyed them both, thought DT had a great send off, loved seeing all the old companions again and of course Bernard Cribbins stole the show. The only thing I didn't like was, as someone has already said, The master zooming through the sky was just silly. Timothy Dalton was brilliantly evil as Rassilon, spitting (literally0 fire and brimstone in his manner. I was glad the Timelords were sent back as I thing the programme is better off without them.

[Granny McSmith]

Originally Posted by Sophie ~Oohie~

What opinion is that?

There wasn't quite enough tears and angst!

[Sophie ~Oohie~]

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith

There wasn't quite enough tears and angst!

Are you kidding there was loaaaaaaaads. There isn't quite enough NOW (but I have a tiny feeling this is about to change)

[Granny McSmith]

Originally Posted by Sophie ~Oohie~

Are you kidding there was loaaaaaaaads. There isn't quite enough NOW (but I have a tiny feeling this is about to change)

There's never enough for me.

I hope you're right that we'll be getting some more. Sadly, not everyone agrees with us about this.

[Sophie ~Oohie~]

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith

There's never enough for me.

I hope you're right that we'll be getting some more. Sadly, not everyone agrees with us about this.

That's putting it mildly, I was banned from another site for my 'deranged scenarios' the other day
By the way, what do you think of the Time Lords returning? I'm undecided. It might mean less tears and angst but I can also think of a few very interesting things they could do to them...err I mean storylines they could do with them!

[Granny McSmith]

Originally Posted by Sophie ~Oohie~

That's putting it mildly, I was banned from another site for my 'deranged scenarios' the other day
By the way, what do you think of the Time Lords returning? I'm undecided. It might mean less tears and angst but I can also think of a few very interesting things they could do to them...I mean storylines they could do with them!

I wouldn't mind the Time Lords returning if they included the Doctor's mother,father, wife, children and grandchildren, so that he could lose them all tragically and perhaps even horrifically all over again.

Banned for your deranged scenarios? I can't believe it! (Your posts on here seem a bit toned down lately, btw, is that deliberate?)

[Whovian1109]

Part 1 wasn't great apart from the scene in the cafe between the Doctor and Wilf. He never normally knows when regeneration is coming so it was interesting to see his vulnerability. More of this in part 2. In terms of story, it was a mess of an episode but the ending was good. Part 2 for me wasn't nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Yes it wasn't great and if you think about the storyline for more than 5 seconds it falls apart (the bit with the gun and which of them to shoot? really?) And Rassilon's comment about the last act of his life? Wow. However, that said, despite the over-indulgence of the regeneration it wasn't a bad two-parter and Matt's first scene was brilliant.

[Sophie ~Oohie~]

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith

I wouldn't mind the Time Lords returning if they included the Doctor's mother,father, wife, children and grandchildren, so that he could lose them all tragically and perhaps even horrifically all over again.

Seriously?! You'll be banned at this rate!
I was thinking have them back permanently either evil, having a civil war amongst themselves, about to be wiped out again and the Doctor has to save them, or a combination of those.

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith

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Banned for your deranged scenarios? I can't believe it! (Your posts on here seem a bit toned down lately, btw, is that deliberate?)

Well I'm not 100% sure but I can't see why else, and there were complaints. Do you think my posts have been toned down? It's not intentional, more I've been posting less generally because I'm busy.

[Granny McSmith]

Originally Posted by Sophie ~Oohie~

Seriously?! You'll be banned at this rate!
I was thinking have them back permanently either evil, having a civil war amongst themselves, about to be wiped out again and the Doctor has to save them, or a combination of those.


Well I'm not 100% sure but I can't see why else, and there were complaints. Do you think my posts have been toned down? It's not intentional, more I've been posting less generally because I'm busy.

I haven't seen any reference in your recent posts to the Doctor's eyelids being sewn up, for instance.

[Sophie ~Oohie~]

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith

I haven't seen any reference in your recent posts to the Doctor's eyelids being sewn up, for instance.

Well I would like to keep my posting priveleges, thanks. Shall I tell you the other idea I had that they could do to - I mean with - the Time Lords?

[Granny McSmith]

Originally Posted by Sophie ~Oohie~

Well I would like to keep my posting priveleges, thanks. Shall I tell you the other ideas I had that they could do to - I mean with - the Time Lords?

OK if you aren't worried about a ban.

(I assume it's not that they all take up knitting and sit around knitting vests for deprived children while quoting uplifting poetry).

[Sophie ~Oohie~]

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith

OK if you aren't worried about a ban.

(I assume it's not that they all take up knitting and sit around knotting vests for deprived children while quoting uplifting poetry).

Well it's quite uplifting at first. The Doctor manages to sort something so he can undo the Time Lock and restore them properly, and stops the Daleks getting all-powerful and destroying everything. Then he stops the Time Lords getting too powerful either and they get a leader who knows what they're doing and isn't crazy or dangerous like Rassilon. It's generally how it used to be before the Time War.
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Then one month later, Gallifrey gets a worldwide epidemic of Failed Regeneration Virus. Oops, nobody saw that one coming did they?
Cue lots of totally unnecessary scenes of Time Lords staggering around in the streets with their regenerations going horribly wrong, saying 'Please kill me', trying to regenerate again and it going even worse, it still doesn't cure them so they die anyway, falling off buildings, being hit by the wreckage of crashed TARDISes etc.
Oh and the Doctor can't go there to do anything about it because he'd die too. Then while the Time Lords are in that state the Daleks take the opportunity to absolutely destroy them because they can't defend themselves. Or is the last part going a bit far?

[Granny McSmith]

Originally Posted by Sophie ~Oohie~

Well it's quite uplifting at first. The Doctor manages to sort something so he can undo the Time Lock and restore them properly, and stops the Daleks getting all-powerful and destroying everything. Then he stops the Time Lords getting too powerful either and they get a leader who knows what they're doing and isn't crazy or dangerous like Rassilon. It's generally how it used to be before the Time War.
.
.
Then one month later, Gallifrey gets a worldwide epidemic of Failed Regeneration Virus. Oops, nobody saw that one coming did they?
Cue lots of totally unnecessary scenes of Time Lords staggering around in the streets with their regenerations going horribly wrong, saying 'Please kill me', trying to regenerate again and it going even worse, it still doesn't cure them so they die anyway, falling off buildings, being hit by the wreckage of crashed TARDISes etc.
Oh and the Doctor can't go there to do anything about it because he'd die too. Then while the Time Lords are in that state the Daleks take the opportunity to absolutely destroy them because they can't defend themselves. Or is the last part going a bit far?

That's actually very good. Seriously. But the Doctor would have to save the day in the end in some way, wouldn't he, or it would be too bleak.

[Sophie ~Oohie~]

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith

That's actually very good. Seriously. But the Doctor would have to save the day in the end in some way, wouldn't he, or it would be too bleak.

I was thinking the whole point would be him finding out how to stop it, if they just came back then died again it'd be pretty random and pointless.