[Hootie19]

I work in the Intake & Assessment Team in children's services and yes, whenever there is a "big" football match, we always see an increase in domestic violence referrals

The police always refer to us if they are called to a DV incident where children are concerned.

I assume they are called to many more, where there are no children.

[KarlSomething]

Originally Posted by Audio Rebel

Why do domestic abuse cases increase dramatically when only football tournaments are on tv ?

My bet is it has something to do with the irrational relationship a lot of people have with their team. Or even the sport. They're not treating it as what it is, and are giving it a lot more significance than it should have.

My only advice is to never stay with someone who beats you. Once is unacceptable, from anyone you are supposed to be able to trust living with. The good times do not matter, if you always have to live in fear of the bad.

[wns_195]

Alcohol is a factor in the increase in domestic violence during football tournaments, but so is the weak response of the authorities.

I suspect some domestic abusers who are known to the authorities have committed domestic abuse during more than one tournament. Unfortunately, everybody found guilty of committing domestic abuse during the 2010 World Cup after watching football was not still in prison at the time of the European Championships.

People who drink a lot of alcohol are probably responsible for the majority of domestic violence, yet alcohol is still legal and if you advocate prohibition you get called a fascist.

If you support the legality of alcohol, you should accept partial responsibility for the problems alcohol causes.

A post above mine raises another point that annoys me. Children are left to continue living with domestic abusers. They are more at risk during football tournaments, but the risk should have been eliminated from their lives as soon as the problem was known about, regardless of the feelings of their parents. If their parents loved their children as much as they should, they'd be demanding that their children had a better and safer home anyway.

Committing domestic abuse in a home where children live should get you at least eighteen years in jail.

[PeacockAntony]

Domestic abuse is down to that person being an absolute pr!ck. Nothing to do with Football.
And that is from someone who despises football.

[Rhumbatugger]

Originally Posted by PeacockAntony

Domestic abuse is down to that person being an absolute pr!ck. Nothing to do with Football.
And that is from someone who despises football.

Ahhh - but the passion, the anger, the excitement, the tension etc. and some ~Stella, might exacerbate the humours of an absolute prick - resulting in some violence.

I really don't think that's unbelievable. I've seen some anger and pub fights related to football.

[Regis Magnae]

Originally Posted by wns_195

Alcohol is a factor in the increase in domestic violence during football tournaments, but so is the weak response of the authorities.

I suspect some domestic abusers who are known to the authorities have committed domestic abuse during more than one tournament. Unfortunately, everybody found guilty of committing domestic abuse during the 2010 World Cup after watching football was not still in prison at the time of the European Championships.

People who drink a lot of alcohol are probably responsible for the majority of domestic violence, yet alcohol is still legal and if you advocate prohibition you get called a fascist.

If you support the legality of alcohol, you should accept partial responsibility for the problems alcohol causes.

A post above mine raises another point that annoys me. Children are left to continue living with domestic abusers. They are more at risk during football tournaments, but the risk should have been eliminated from their lives as soon as the problem was known about, regardless of the feelings of their parents. If their parents loved their children as much as they should, they'd be demanding that their children had a better and safer home anyway.

Committing domestic abuse in a home where children live should get you at least eighteen years in jail.

I very much agree. Half the time the issues in regards to crime and punishment are due to the relaxed hand of the authorities. I'm not saying hang them from the nearest tree but some punishment is required, as is separation from their victims.

[talentedmonkey]

In my experience women start nagging within a few minutes of the programme starting and we have not even had a kick off. they nag and moan all through the match as well, comments which are on line of "you have better things you can be doing than watching 22 men from countries you can not even point to on the map, kick a stupid ball around. " They then get angry when point out they spend more time watching soaps than I did football.

If I was a more aggressive person and had half a dozen beers, then I expect I would have punched the disrespectful cow to shut her up.

[talentedmonkey]

Originally Posted by PeacockAntony

Domestic abuse is down to that person being an absolute pr!ck. Nothing to do with Football.
And that is from someone who despises football.

What you dont understand is that its not a clear cut thing. Most of us men love watching a football match, its in our blood, problem is many women hate it and let the man know, they get really moody, mainly because they are missing their soaps which are on at same time. We let women sit and watch soaps in peace, so expect a bit of respect and equal treatment, but no, get nagged at and so on. well, read my previous post , otherwise I will just repeat myslef

[2-Pot Screamer]

Originally Posted by talentedmonkey

What you dont understand is that its not a clear cut thing. Most of us men love watching a football match, its in our blood, problem is many women hate it and let the man know, they get really moody, mainly because they are missing their soaps which are on at same time. We let women sit and watch soaps in peace, so expect a bit of respect and equal treatment, but no, get nagged at and so on. well, read my previous post , otherwise I will just repeat myslef

You already have...

[KarlSomething]

Originally Posted by talentedmonkey

In my experience women start nagging within a few minutes of the programme starting and we have not even had a kick off. they nag and moan all through the match as well, comments which are on line of "you have better things you can be doing than watching 22 men from countries you can not even point to on the map, kick a stupid ball around. " They then get angry when point out they spend more time watching soaps than I did football.

If I was a more aggressive person and had half a dozen beers, then I expect I would have punched the disrespectful cow to shut her up.

Which would be unacceptable. You are in no immediate danger, violence is not legitimate.

If you have real issues, you need to get them resolved. If you just can't deal with each other, then you need to stop being together.

[KJ44]

Originally Posted by alaninmcr

Are you sure this isn't just a variation on the false claim about the Superbowl ?

I think that point got ignored.

[KJ44]

Originally Posted by netcurtains

why do men like it on so loud??

I suspect footy fans of either gender do so to approach the volume levels experienced during live football matches. It's not even the artificial loudness of music concerts - it's the sound of thousands of people.

I agree that one has to be considerate and keep the volume down when others are around, I'm just disputing yet another insinuation about "men" and "football" phrased in a negative tone.

[Dolly_Dimple]

Not having his beer at the correct cold temp?
Not having his meal ready to eat prior to kick off?
Interrupting him with inane chatter?
Interrupting him with inane questions?
Breathing?
All of the above?
To be fair to my husband, he's football mad and must watch it, but that said, if he kicked off at me at kick off, i'd soon show him other uses for my frying pan! Am i the only woman in the world who looks forward to watching the footy too, either at home on in a bar and a discussion about it??

[whydoiwatch]

Originally Posted by Dolly_Dimple

Not having his beer at the correct cold temp?
Not having his meal ready to eat prior to kick off?
Interrupting him with inane chatter?
Interrupting him with inane questions?
Breathing?
All of the above?
To be fair to my husband, he's football mad and must watch it, but that said, if he kicked off at me at kick off, i'd soon show him other uses for my frying pan! Am i the only woman in the world who looks forward to watching the footy too, either at home on in a bar and a discussion about it??

I've decided if you can't beat 'em, join 'em regarding the football-- not that I bothered him about watching it. I don't watch soaps so nothing has been disrupted for me.
I've really got into watching the Euros and there are some really interesting history bits mixed in as it's being hosted in Poland/Ukraine. I've been explaining to my son that teams like the Czech Republic and a unified German team didn't exist when I was his age. It's a fairly interesting way to while a way two hours.

[~Twinkle~]

When I was doing my weekly shop on Friday morning, as I always do, the aisles were blocked by mountains of packs of beer and lager. Maneuvering around these obstacles wasn't easy, especially when those damned giant contraptions used by the staff for online shoppers kept blocking the way. What with the stacks of ale, the regular shoppers and the staff filling trollies for those too idle to shop for themselves, the whole experience was one of frustration and exasperation.

I've given you the picture, a supermarket with every available space given over to the stacking of cases of beers and lagers. I asked my partner why they had all this ale stacked up and his reply was, "the football". This answer is one that I can't get my head around. Does football equate to copious amounts of cans/bottles of beer or lager consumption? If it does, then why? Is it possible for a football fan to watch a match without a bottle or a tin in his/her hand? If what I saw in the supermarket is anything to go by, then I presume that the answer is a resounding NO.

Neither my partner nor myself has any interest in the "beautiful game" and we don't swill gallons of ale, in fact, we don't swill any because, like football, we don't like it.

Verdict. We have friends who love the game and those friends don't need the enhancement of beer or lager to enjoy it and they've never been known to shown their spouses any violence at all, not ever. That leaves just one explanation, alcohol. Is it the copious amounts of alcohol consumed during matches that's to blame and not the game itself? If this is the case, then the supermarkets have a lot to answer for, they're the ones promoting the ales, suggesting that you can't watch a match without a bottle or can in your hand.

[skunkboy69]

Originally Posted by ~Twinkle~

When I was doing my weekly shop on Friday morning, as I always do, the aisles were blocked by mountains of packs of beer and lager. Maneuvering around these obstacles wasn't easy, especially when those damned giant contraptions used by the staff for online shoppers kept blocking the way. What with the stacks of ale, the regular shoppers and the staff filling trollies for those too idle to shop for themselves, the whole experience was one of frustration and exasperation.

I've given you the picture, a supermarket with every available space given over to the stacking of cases of beers and lagers. I asked my partner why they had all this ale stacked up and his reply was, "the football". This answer is one that I can't get my head around. Does football equate to copious amounts of cans/bottles of beer or lager consumption? If it does, then why? Is it possible for a football fan to watch a match without a bottle or a tin in his/her hand? If what I saw in the supermarket is anything to go by, then I presume that the answer is a resounding NO.

Neither my partner nor myself has any interest in the "beautiful game" and we don't swill gallons of ale, in fact, we don't swill any because, like football, we don't like it.

Verdict. We have friends who love the game and those friends don't need the enhancement of beer or lager to enjoy it and they've never been known to shown their spouses any violence at all, not ever. That leaves just one explanation, alcohol. Is it the copious amounts of alcohol consumed during matches that's to blame and not the game itself? If this is the case, then the supermarkets have a lot to answer for, they're the ones promoting the ales, suggesting that you can't watch a match without a bottle or can in your hand.

I think it's time people stopped blaming alcohol for their flawed personalities and take some responsibility for their actions.Everyone seems to blame "something" for their stupid actions.

[~Twinkle~]

Originally Posted by skunkboy69

I think it's time people stopped blaming alcohol for their flawed personalities and take some responsibility for their actions.Everyone seems to blame "something" for their stupid actions.

Let us take some of these abusive partners and put them in front of a TV set showing an England match, without alcohol, and see if they attack their partner.

Let us take some of these abuse partners and put them in front of a TV set, showing an England match, after copious amounts of alcohol, and see if they attack their partner.

We all know what alcohol can do, we know what goes on at weekends in the city, actions that would never happen had a few drinkiepoos not been consumed.

[Dolly_Dimple]

Originally Posted by ~Twinkle~

Let us take some of these abusive partners and put them in front of a TV set showing an England match, without alcohol, and see if they attack their partner.

Let us take some of these abuse partners and put them in front of a TV set, showing an England match, after copious amounts of alcohol, and see if they attack their partner.

We all know what alcohol can do, we know what goes on at weekends in the city, actions that would never happen had a few drinkiepoos not been consumed.

My husband likes a few drinks at weekends, more so when footy is on as does my father and brothers, and pissed or sober they have never risen their hand to a female.
If a bloke is 'Man' enough to raise his hand to a female, he will do it whether alcohol is involved or not.
No decent bloke would dream of raising his hand to a female, whatever the circumstances may be, indeed though, they would have no second thoughts about raising their fist to a 'Man' who they did see being violent towards a female.

[KJ44]

Originally Posted by ~Twinkle~

Let us take some of these abusive partners and put them in front of a TV set showing an England match, without alcohol, and see if they attack their partner.

Let us take some of these abuse partners and put them in front of a TV set, showing an England match, after copious amounts of alcohol, and see if they attack their partner.

We all know what alcohol can do, we know what goes on at weekends in the city, actions that would never happen had a few drinkiepoos not been consumed.

You utterly misunderstood skunkboy69 in your zeal. The outcome of your experiment is designed to reinforce your pre-conceptions, because you start with abusers.

Do your experiment across a wider population, you'll see skunkboy69 is right, that alcohol has a worse effect on people whose personality doesn't include accepting any responsibility for their actions.

If we're going to be sensible about alcohol, we have ask what drives people to it.

[~Twinkle~]

Originally Posted by Dolly_Dimple

My husband likes a few drinks at weekends, more so when footy is on as does my father and brothers, and pissed or sober they have never risen their hand to a female.
If a bloke is 'Man' enough to raise his hand to a female, he will do it whether alcohol is involved or not.
No decent bloke would dream of raising his hand to a female, whatever the circumstances may be, indeed though, they would have no second thoughts about raising their fist to a 'Man' who they did see being violent towards a female.

Alcohol affects people in different ways, some people become soppy and others aggressive. Maybe you're one of the lucky ones who's menfolk become soppy?

Originally Posted by KJ44

You utterly misunderstood skunkboy69 in your zeal. The outcome of your experiment is designed to reinforce your pre-conceptions, because you start with abusers.

Do your experiment across a wider population, you'll see skunkboy69 is right, that alcohol has a worse effect on people whose personality doesn't include accepting any responsibility for their actions.

If we're going to be sensible about alcohol, we have ask what drives people to it.

Football, that's what drives people to it, because the supermarkets say that you need this beverage to enjoy the game. This is the message I'm trying to get across and that alcohol affects people in different ways, some become tearful and soppy but others become aggressive.

I'm a hater of football but I'm trying to say that it's not the game itself that causes domestic abuse, it's the actions of those irresponsible individuals with anger problems who indulge in copious amounts of alcohol who watch it. Personally, there are times when I'd vote for the game to be a non-spectator sport, too much trouble caused by what should be an innocuous sporting event.

[KJ44]

Originally Posted by ~Twinkle~

It's not the game itself that causes domestic abuse, it's the actions of those irresponsible individuals with anger problems who indulge in copious amounts of alcohol who watch it. .

We're nearly there. You're agreeing with skunkboy69, the root cause is people with anger problems, alcohol is their excuse ... and my point ... football is their excuse.

Correlation is not causation.

I don't have any menfolk, everyone else in our house including the guinea pig is female. I guess I just don't fit that male football supporting (and football attending) stereotype that is used to "justify" some outrageous generalisations on this thread.

[Glenn A]

I watch England games and the Champions League final and that's it, the whole overkill with the Premiership and made for TV competitions like the Europa League bores me. I think football is on the television so much it's bound to put pressure on a relationship when the woman has a partner who has Sky.

[kitty86]

Originally Posted by Glenn A

I watch England games and the Champions League final and that's it, the whole overkill with the Premiership and made for TV competitions like the Europa League bores me. I think football is on the television so much it's bound to put pressure on a relationship when the woman has a partner who has Sky.

This ^

My partner has been begging me to put Sky in but I keep refusing, I like to watch football and enjoy getting involved with tournaments and will watch my team or his team play, but the access to football you get on all the different sky channel would drive me crazy! As he is a massive football-head he would watch every blimming game and drive me mad which would lead to arguments (not the violent kind) thankfully. So for my peace as well as his I will keep refusing.

[Dolly_Dimple]

[quote=~[B]Twinkle~;58895221]Alcohol affects people in different ways, some people become soppy and others aggressive. Maybe you're one of the lucky ones who's menfolk become soppy? [/b]
Not in the least Twinkle. Its because they're all good decent men who were brought up with standards and morals. I wouldn't have settled for anyone without those.

[jcafcw]

The thing is is that man is a tribal animal and football is one thing that raises his tribal passions. When it comes to my team I can quite easily see myself changing from the mild-mannered man I generally am into a bile expleting machine like the best of them.

What doesn't happen with most men is the violence. Yes we like the passion and the atmosphere, we will call the referee and the opposition players a bleeping bleep who bleeps <insert animal of your choice>, we will question their parentage and their sexual preferences and inform them they are cheats and have no notion of fair play - even at the same time cheering on our players for taking out an opposition player, especially if he gets away with it.

Football raises the passions and returns us to our more primitive origins but it is possible to watch football, feel the tribal passions and allow these feelings to wash away the general feeling of self-disappointment in how our lives are turning out without practicing domestic abuse or indeed being violent to anyone whether drink has been drunk or not. People who do this have bigger problems and maybe if someone is violent towards you because of a football match then you should question if you should be with them.