[2+2=5]

This party is taking advantage of the Greek's economic crisis amidst anger and frustrations of its citizens against the Greek authorities. The party has been accused of criminal attacks on immigrants, one of its members assaulted two women and as part of electioneering before today's Greek general election, one of its members stated it would be kicking immigrants out of hospitals and kindergartens so that Greeks would take their place.

Here's a link to the DM (yes I can't believe I'm linking to them either!)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-streets.html

Would you vote for such a party if they were in the UK?

[Pedro]

You might be surprised what people would vote for when the alternative is anarchy.

[2+2=5]

Originally Posted by Pedro

You might be surprised what people would vote for when the alternative is anarchy.

My friend, nothing but nothing surprises me when it comes to politics.

My OP didn't suggest it was right or wrong or unlikely or very likely. It was simply to see what FMs thought.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[Mesostim]

Sounds very Aleister Crowley...

[Airam]

I'd spoil my ballot paper rather than voting for any party right of centre, including our Conservatives, New Labour and orange Lib Dems!

[swingaleg]

no thanks

by the way, is it right that one of their policies is to put Greek people in hospital............

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by 2+2=5

My friend, nothing but nothing surprises me when it comes to politics.

My OP didn't suggest it was right or wrong or unlikely or very likely. It was simply to see what FMs thought.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Don't be disingenuous please. Your OP is quite clearly disapproving and perhaps rightly so.

[2+2=5]

Originally Posted by Pedro

Don't be disingenuous please. Your OP is quite clearly disapproving and perhaps rightly so.

My OP merely paraphrases the DM report. It was intended to give anyone reading a chance to decide based off the DM article and not my opinion about it.

Nothing disingenuous about it whatsoever.

For the record I don't agree with their principles. And that's putting it lightly. Given I'm quite outspoken about other right wing groups in this country, it wouldn't logically follow that I'd support one from a different country.

[bitchy_me]

I believe that the economy was the reason the National Socialists managed to garner such support in Germany way back in time. And they blamed the Jews.

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Originally Posted by bitchy_me

I believe that the economy was the reason the National Socialists managed to garner such support in Germany way back in time. And they blamed the Jews.

Are you saying this is history repeating itself? I really hope it's just a blip and the general Greek populace won't be voting them in. I also hope such a group doesn't grab a hold in this country like it has in France and now Greek.

[trevgo]

This provides the longstanding problem for people who have had their fill of immigration. Most are reasonable and rational folk and won't buy the whole bullying package from parties such as GD. The same goes for the UK equivalents.

The premise of the thread is a non-starter. Things may be tough here, but nothing like as bad as in Greece (yet). The more desperate people are, the more they will cling on to anything they believe gives an instant answer. See also; "religion".

Am I anti large scale immigration? Yes. Would I vote for Golden Dawn or BNP or NF? No.

[GreatGodPan]

Originally Posted by Mesostim

Sounds very Aleister Crowley...

..

[Ragnarok]

they sound way, too authoritarian. No mention of economic policy so they could easily be left or right

They sound like Nazi's but could also be Communists in the making.

Originally Posted by Airam

I'd spoil my ballot paper rather than voting for any party right of centre, including our Conservatives, New Labour and orange Lib Dems!

Wow, that's a hell of a statement. many people would argue that all 3 main parties are economically to the right anyway, they'd have a very good case too I suspect. I'd spoil my balot paper anyway because the even bigger problem is all our main parties and political elite are far too authoritarian. They have no Idea what freedom is, they all seem hell bent on controlling our lives thinking they know better than the people they are supposed to be serving and are continually act like they are above us when they arn't looking for our vote.

[GreatGodPan]

Originally Posted by Ragnarok

they sound way, too authoritarian. No mention of economic policy so they could easily be left or right

They sound like Nazi's but could also be Communists in the making.


Wow, that's a hell of a statement. many people would argue that all 3 main parties are economically to the right anyway, they'd have a very good case too I suspect. I'd spoil my balot paper anyway because the even bigger problem is all our main parties and political elite are far too authoritarian. They have no Idea what freedom is, they all seem hell bent on controlling our lives thinking they know better than the people they are supposed to be serving and are continually act like they are above us when they arn't looking for our vote.

Wow. As those two are diametrically opposed systems there'd have to be some massive shift!

[2+2=5]

Originally Posted by trevgo

This provides the longstanding problem for people who have had their fill of immigration. Most are reasonable and rational folk and won't buy the whole bullying package from parties such as GD. The same goes for the UK equivalents.

The premise of the thread is a non-starter. Things may be tough here, but nothing like as bad as in Greece (yet). The more desperate people are, the more they will cling on to anything they believe gives an instant answer. See also; "religion".

Am I anti large scale immigration? Yes. Would I vote for Golden Dawn or BNP or NF? No.

I don't think this thread suggests it's wrong to have an issue with immigration. Far from it.

I think this thread is simply asking if people agree with a political party in Greece. It's not saying things are as bad here, or that we have the same issues. If anything the thread places the onus on the reader to make a clear cut decision as to whether you agree or not. It's all pretty obvious.

EDIT: There is a concern for me that too many who have issues with immigration put their heads in the ground when it comes to questions about far right groups like Golden Dawn. It's as if they are an inconvenience best ignored lest someone point out ones views are aligned with theirs.

[Majlis]

Originally Posted by GreatGodPan

Wow. As those two are diametrically opposed systems there'd have to be some massive shift!

but the outcome for the people is the same - mass death.

[GreatGodPan]

Originally Posted by Majlis

but the outcome for the people is the same - mass death.

You're right.

25 million Russians lost their lives in the fight against Fascism.

[MidnightFalcon]

If they are punching out their opponents in the studios I shudder to think what they will end up doing on the streets.

Originally Posted by GreatGodPan

You're right.

25 million Russians lost their lives in the fight against Fascism.

Not to forget the million that died in the purges. The "sides" aren't as far apart as some like to pretend. They both have a tendency to ignore or deny their own failings and atrocities.

[bitchy_me]

Originally Posted by 2+2=5

Are you saying this is history repeating itself? I really hope it's just a blip and the general Greek populace won't be voting them in. I also hope such a group doesn't grab a hold in this country like it has in France and now Greek.

I think we are seeing a history in the making, rather than a repeat of history. In pre-war Germany, the Jews were seen as the 'others' who were controlling all the money, and the poorer Germans who had no jobs and no money had to have a scapegoat. Today when people talk about immigrants, they mostly mean from Africa, certain parts of Asia, and we have grown up with the press / media vilifying these people, making them the 'other'. We hear stories of Somali families living in 'luxury', Islamic terrorists. We do not see any other migrants except economic migrants.

Muslims have lived peacefully here for 40 years before they became scapegoats. We rarely hear of the unacceptable conditions migrants (legal and illegal) have to work and live in. Just so someone higher up the ladder can amass enough wealth to be beyond the law. Recent years have seen a massive push to vilify immigrants, when in actual fact most have been here years and are happy to just get on with their lives. They are not terrorists or thieves or shirkers or lazy or criminals, but you would not believe that reading some of the posts here and talking to the ordinary man or woman in the street. Or reading the popular press, or watching the raft of television programmes showing our Border Agency 'protecting' us from these people.

It is just not my experience of immigrants. They are all sorts of people, nice, some not so nice, rich and poor, fat and thin, black and white, young and old. They all want to do well, they all love living here, or why come? They all joined in the jubilee celebrations, to a man they love the Queen!

Meh, I just worry sometimes when I hear otherwise good people moaning about immigrants and believing everything they read in the press.

[Eurytus]

Originally Posted by GreatGodPan

You're right.

25 million Russians lost their lives in the fight against Fascism.

The fact that you choose to ignore the umpteen millions killed by the communists themselves is indicative of your mindset.

[Majlis]

Originally Posted by GreatGodPan

You're right.

25 million Russians lost their lives in the fight against Fascism.

and millions lost their lives to communism brother.

[GreatGodPan]

Originally Posted by MidnightFalcon

If they are punching out their opponents in the studios I shudder to think what they will end up doing on the streets.



Not to forget the million that died in the purges. The "sides" aren't as far apart as some like to pretend. They both have a tendency to ignore or deny their own failings and atrocities.

Stalin does not symbolise the concept of Communism.

[Eurytus]

Originally Posted by GreatGodPan

Stalin does not symbolise the concept of Communism.

I guess Mao doesn't either huh?
Convenient that.

[GreatGodPan]

Originally Posted by Eurytus

The fact that you choose to ignore the umpteen millions killed by the communists themselves is indicative of your mindset.

No, they lost their lives because of Stalin.

What "mindset"?

[GreatGodPan]

Originally Posted by Eurytus

I guess Mao doesn't either huh?
Convenient that.

No, he doesn't.