[Steveaustin316]

I think it's safe to say now that GTA 5 will not be released in 2012. If that was the plan, we would have heard by now.

[mikey86uk]

Im guessing, March/April 13

[bob2005]

Wouldn't be surprised knowing what rockstar are like.

[the_daddy]

The longer the wait, the better the game.

[FrankJaeger]

Originally Posted by the_daddy

The longer the wait, the better the game.

So not true.

[the_daddy]

It is in Rockstars case, you'll see.

[tysonstorm]

Originally Posted by the_daddy

The longer the wait, the better the game.

Not true, ever heard of Mafia 2 or Duke Nukem Forever?

As for being in R*'s case there was nearly 4 years between San Andreas and GTA4 and GTA4 was a step backwards.

[GrahameSteele]

Originally Posted by tysonstorm

Not true, ever heard of Mafia 2 or Duke Nukem Forever?

As for being in R*'s case there was nearly 4 years between San Andreas and GTA4 and GTA4 was a step backwards.

GTA4 a step backward? What nonsense! Graphics and story line far superior to san andreas. It seems fashionable to knock GTA4 by those seeking to jump on band wagons.

[Scott_P]

Originally Posted by tysonstorm

Not true, ever heard of Mafia 2 or Duke Nukem Forever?

As for being in R*'s case there was nearly 4 years between San Andreas and GTA4 and GTA4 was a step backwards.

San Andreas was in turn a step backwards from Vice City

I liked GTA4, but some parts of it ("Hey Niko, its your cousin, let's go bowling!") annoyed the piss out of me, although apparently these were addressed with the DLCs.

In all honestly I think I preferred San Andreas, just because the world you were in felt bigger and there was more progression between cities, instead of it being randomly opened up.

[jjesso123]

Originally Posted by GrahameSteele

GTA4 a step backward? What nonsense! Graphics and story line far superior to san andreas. It seems fashionable to knock GTA4 by those seeking to jump on band wagons.

GTA for many about is about the massive endless amount of fun. GTA 4 very well it did have great story but unlike all the previous gta games I got end of the story though what can do now ? Oh I can play pool, I go play darts,I can go date. Well I can do all these things with my real friends and girlfriend.

When I thought of GTA 4 when It was announced I though wow. There going to expand on all those sub missions. Taxi,firefighter, etc and add loads and loads more.

So yes i agree with the other poster GTA 4 on whole did not really take a step forward for the franchise.

[the_daddy]

Originally Posted by tysonstorm

Not true, ever heard of Mafia 2 or Duke Nukem Forever?

Yes, actually heard of them both and neither were developed by Rockstar.

[The_Shuffle]

People tend to favour San Andreas because it was the biggest. That doesn't make it the best though. Vice City was easily the best game.

A lot of the criticisms that people have for GTA 4 were also present in San Andreas but they strangely get overlooked. Fair enough, you have to keep answering cousins and friends in GTA 4 who want to go bowling etc, but in San Andreas you had to run half way across the map to defend turf, you had to eat and workout and other trivial things. There were lots of fantastic features like the BMX, parachute and of course the jetpacks were great fun, but you also had to do a stupid amount of pilot licenses and utterly pointless tasks that seemed to be shoe horned in for the sake of a new feature.

No, Vice City definitely had the best flow. Enough features to keep you entertained on a decent size map (for the time) and with a good story and fantastic general environment/soundtrack. A mix of Vice Ciy and San Andreas in GTA 5 and you'll have one hell of a game.

[sbds1]

Originally Posted by The_Shuffle

People tend to favour San Andreas because it was the biggest. That doesn't make it the best though. Vice City was easily the best game.

A lot of the criticisms that people have for GTA 4 were also present in San Andreas but they strangely get overlooked. Fair enough, you have to keep answering cousins and friends in GTA 4 who want to go bowling etc, but in San Andreas you had to run half way across the map to defend turf, you had to eat and workout and other trivial things. There were lots of fantastic features like the BMX, parachute and of course the jetpacks were great fun, but you also had to do a stupid amount of pilot licenses and utterly pointless tasks that seemed to be shoe horned in for the sake of a new feature.

No, Vice City definitely had the best flow. Enough features to keep you entertained on a decent size map (for the time) and with a good story and fantastic general environment/soundtrack. A mix of Vice Ciy and San Andreas in GTA 5 and you'll have one hell of a game.

Vice City was indeed the best.

[DJGM]

Originally Posted by tysonstorm

. . . there was nearly 4 years between San Andreas
and GTA4 and GTA4 was a step backwards.

Originally Posted by GrahameSteele

GTA4 a step backward? What nonsense! Graphics and story line
far superior to san andreas. It seems fashionable to knock GTA4
by those seeking to jump on band wagons.

I agree with GrahameSteele here. Visually and physically, GTA4 was a huge improvement over GTA:SA. While many of
the missions did seem like "drive to here, have a shoot out, come home" and side missions that consisted of going on
a date, going to a show at the Russian club, "Hey cousin, let's go drinking!", the underlying storyline, if mostly bleak,
of a Serbian immigrant starting a new life in America, and getting involved with nefarious characters, was brilliant.

Originally Posted by jjesso123

GTA for many about is about the massive endless amount of fun. GTA 4 very well
it did have great story but unlike all the previous gta games I got end of the story
though what can do now ? Oh I can play pool, I go play darts,I can go date.
Well I can do all these things with my real friends and girlfriend.

What else can you do after the main storyline missions? Lots of booshing, blumping and shooting. And beating the crap
out of those shouty preachers outside the Bohan safehouse, getting them arrested and kidnapping them. Finding all the
pigeons and stunt jumps, and generally assaulting/killing random pedestrians, for the comedy insults and death noises!

Originally Posted by jjesso123

When I thought of GTA 4 when It was announced I though wow.
There going to expand on all those sub missions. Taxi,firefighter,
etc and add loads and loads more.

So yes i agree with the other poster GTA 4 on whole did not really
take a step forward for the franchise.

GTA4 was mainly a showcase for the new graphics and gaming engine, and the awesome reimagining of NYC as a new
more realistic version of Liberty City I think if Rockstar had chosen to include brand new variations all the side missions
and activities in GTA4 that were in San Andreas, it's likely they'd have delayed it further than it already had been.

[the_daddy]

For me San Andreas will always be the best GTA release, mainly because of the amount of variety it offered i.e. Countryside, Venturas and numerous side missions.

I didn't enjoy GTA IV as much as I would have hoped, that game was far too serious in it's tone and delivery.

[tysonstorm]

Originally Posted by GrahameSteele

GTA4 a step backward? What nonsense! Graphics and story line far superior to san andreas. It seems fashionable to knock GTA4 by those seeking to jump on band wagons.

What bandwagon? I bought GTA4 when it first came out, I played it to death and formed my own opinion on the game from actively playing it. You may see it as a bandwagon, others see it as constructive criticism. If a game is enormously crap I wouldn't expect people to not complain about it. Yes the graphics was an improvement and given that SA was on a last gen machine I would expect it to be, storyline wise the story in GTA was awful and the missions tedious. "Hey Niko you want to go bowling!" every 5 minutes like when you are in the middle of a high speed police chase, excuse me for not fawning over it.

Originally Posted by Scott_P

San Andreas was in turn a step backwards from Vice City

I liked GTA4, but some parts of it ("Hey Niko, its your cousin, let's go bowling!") annoyed the piss out of me, although apparently these were addressed with the DLCs.

In all honestly I think I preferred San Andreas, just because the world you were in felt bigger and there was more progression between cities, instead of it being randomly opened up.

I didn't like SA to be honest, VC all the way for me. It's a shame that devs now focus more on graphics than gameplay these days which was the case with GTA4.

I liked the Episodes of Liberty City add-ons however, I think in general they were the games GTA4 should of been especially BoGT.

[2Dshmuplover]

Been plying a lot of GTA San Andreas on the 360 via B/C, it's such a fun game but in some ways it has aged quite badly (not talking about the gfx which are actually quite nice upscaled @ 1080p with a nice coat of 4xAA). The aiming and lock-on in particular is awkward to use, back then I didn't think twice about the controls but these days it really stands out.

I think most of all it highlights what a different direction they shot for for GTA IV, not necessarily for the worst as I prefer the realism of IV, I don't think there's any going back to the cartoonesque aesthetic now but I do hope they implement some of the features that made SA such a classic; great script writing and sense of humour, interesting missions, large and varied landscape, so many different vehicles and in general a mind boggling amount of content. Pretty such Rockstar won't let us down, I'm really looking forward to GTA V especially if they borrow some of the gunplay from Max Payne 3. Imagine that.

[ritch]

half of GTA4 was pointless. if the sub games meant something to the game it would have been better, but after one darts game I'd had enough. yeah its stuff to do but i struggle with pointless gameplay

[kendoguk]

I just don't get why so much was removed that was in previous games, all the more fun side missions, bikes, they even removed the car customising aswell for some reason. I hope it's all back in 5.

[DJGM]

Originally Posted by kendoguk

I just don't get why so much was removed that was in previous games, all the
more fun side missions, bikes, they even removed the car customising as
well for some reason. I hope it's all back in 5.

As I said in my earlier post . . .

GTA4 was mainly a showcase for the new graphics and gaming engine, and the awesome re-imagining of NYC as a new
more realistic version of Liberty City. I think if Rockstar had chosen to include brand new variations all the side missions
and activities in GTA4 that were in San Andreas, it's likely they'd have delayed it further than it already had been.

[kendoguk]

I hope ur right cause as a huge gta fan I enjoyed saints row 3 more than gta 4, I really hope 5 is back on form.

[Steveaustin316]

GTA 5 has to have the ability to play music from the PS3 hard drive. That was a feature sorely missed in GTA 4.

[2Dshmuplover]

Originally Posted by DJGM

As I said in my earlier post . . .

GTA4 was mainly a showcase for the new graphics and gaming engine, and the awesome re-imagining of NYC as a new
more realistic version of Liberty City. I think if Rockstar had chosen to include brand new variations all the side missions
and activities in GTA4 that were in San Andreas, it's likely they'd have delayed it further than it already had been.

Yep, I look at GTA IV as the GTA III of this generation. They went back to a more simplified approach knowing the next games (or even the DLC) would make up for it. The game engine was stunning when it came out, it still is one of the highlights of this gen, when you compare things like physics and attention to detail to other sandbox games they don't even come close..

[bob2005]

Would love it if they went back to the san andreas days enjoyed that most out of all the games.

[the_daddy]

Why re-invent the wheel? It's bad enough that they are rehashing Los Santos.