[Roush]

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

It is certainly Apple who are abusing the patent system.

As many on here say, yet it's Samsung and Motorola whom are facing formal EU anti-trust investigations for their abusive patent enforcement tactics.

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...rence=IP/12/89

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...nce=IP/12/345&

[paulbrock]

Apple do most of their suing in the US.

[call100]

Originally Posted by paulbrock

Apple do most of their suing in the US.

It's amazing that just the Apple v Samsung court cases cover...
19 lawsuits in
12 courts in
9 countries over
4 continents......

The lawyers are raking it in and at the end of the day will be the only victors....

[Dai13371]

The deceitful hypocrites at Apple have been found to have breached one of Samsung's patents by a Dutch court and have been ordered to pay undisclosed damages.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18529756

No doubt Apple will consider those damages to be sofa change, but at least they have been found out as not being whiter than white (we knew that anyway, but Jobs still painted that picture even after his infamous great artists steal admission).

[Roush]

Originally Posted by Dai13371

The deceitful hypocrites at Apple have been found to have breached one of Samsung's patents by a Dutch court and have been ordered to pay undisclosed damages.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18529756

No doubt Apple will consider those damages to be sofa change, but at least they have been found out as not being whiter than white (we knew that anyway, but Jobs still painted that picture even after his infamous great artists steal admission).

Rewind 11 posts and you'll find this already covered with a few useful links for further information.

To summarise for you though, this is a patent that is essential to the 3G standard, and as such Samsung have an obligation to license it to anyone who wants to use it on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms. Apple have always been aware of this, and have said they will pay a reasonable rate.

So far, Samsung have failed to honor that obligation and have only made unreasonable demands for royalties. Samsung's behaviour in this regard has drawn the attention of the EU Competition Commission who have opened formal proceedings against Samsung.

[Dai13371]

And there's me thinking I was quick off the mark.

Cheers Roush

[Stuart_h]

Originally Posted by Roush

As many on here say, yet it's Samsung and Motorola whom are facing formal EU anti-trust investigations for their abusive patent enforcement tactics.

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...rence=IP/12/89

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...nce=IP/12/345&

but look who has raised the issue that Samsung isnt being fair with its patents ... yes its Apple (and Microsoft) .....

So Apple can sue but if Samsung tries to countersue then Apple raise it as being unfair.

[Dai13371]

Originally Posted by Roush

Rewind 11 posts and you'll find this already covered with a few useful links for further information.

To summarise for you though, this is a patent that is essential to the 3G standard, and as such Samsung have an obligation to license it to anyone who wants to use it on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms. Apple have always been aware of this, and have said they will pay a reasonable rate.

So far, Samsung have failed to honor that obligation and have only made unreasonable demands for royalties. Samsung's behaviour in this regard has drawn the attention of the EU Competition Commission who have opened formal proceedings against Samsung.

Thanks for the summary and i am not being sarcastic.

Who exactly decides and when, what is a necessary industry standard?

Take a touch screen device with capacitive buttons and physical volume and on/off switches. Now common sense dictates that a user is able to unlock by pressing the on switch and then by performing a gesture on the screen. Now Apple say they thought of it and nobody in the world is allowed to do it (a little Scandinavian firm obviously disagree). Now how else can a slide to unlock be achieved without the finger travelling across the digitiser (in a virtual form of the old slide to unlock plastic catches which release laptop batteries for instance)? When will this little feature be recognised as industry standard so that whiny whingeing firms like Apple cant go crying to the courts?

Now, correct me if I am wrong, but those nice shiny Apple TVs look an awful lot like my LCD telly in my living room. Wonder if Samsung/Sony/Panasonic et al can sue for "look and feel"?

[Dai13371]

Originally Posted by Stuart_h

but look who has raised the issue that Samsung isnt being fair with its patents ... yes its Apple (and Microsoft) .....

So Apple can sue but if Samsung tries to countersue then Apple raise it as being unfair.

Wonder if the adjudicators had a nice shiny delivery of iPads in the last few days.

[swordman]

Originally Posted by Roush

Rewind 11 posts and you'll find this already covered with a few useful links for further information.

To summarise for you though, this is a patent that is essential to the 3G standard, and as such Samsung have an obligation to license it to anyone who wants to use it on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms. Apple have always been aware of this, and have said they will pay a reasonable rate.

So far, Samsung have failed to honor that obligation and have only made unreasonable demands for royalties. Samsung's behaviour in this regard has drawn the attention of the EU Competition Commission who have opened formal proceedings against Samsung.

Not that you have placed your totally unbiased spin on this decision at all of course

[Stuart_h]

Originally Posted by Roush

Rewind 11 posts and you'll find this already covered with a few useful links for further information.

To summarise for you though, this is a patent that is essential to the 3G standard, and as such Samsung have an obligation to license it to anyone who wants to use it on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms. Apple have always been aware of this, and have said they will pay a reasonable rate.

So far, Samsung have failed to honor that obligation and have only made unreasonable demands for royalties. Samsung's behaviour in this regard has drawn the attention of the EU Competition Commission who have opened formal proceedings against Samsung.

Is it not correct though that everyone else has been paying a 'reasonable rate' for a number of years and its mainly Apple who have not paid a penny and have stated that they are still 'haggling'. I also believe that their latest stance was that they wouldnt want to pay anything for the several years that they have been haggling for and would only want payments to start from now.

Its all a case of perspective as to who is wrong or right in this one I guess ...... Samsung want payment for using a technology they own the patent for and Apple want payment for using your finger and moving it from one place to another to unlock your phone ......

[alanwarwic]

Google still has most of the search business so it is good in a way that the iPhone is to have Yelp as its local search.

Yelp will improve from more usage.

[alanwarwic]

"Judge Richard Posner previously canceled a jury trial in Chicago in the case, and then castigated both Apple and Motorola while calling the entire US patent system chaos. "

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...emotorola-case

Methinks the only chaos is in trying to enforce stupid patents. Stupid patents are as much a marketing exercise.

[IvanIV]

Some things there are quite shocking, like in ebook reader you tap screen and page turns Next thing they patent a bloody button. I think it's obvious that they just bully and obstruct. What I do not understand why press do not report about this more. Did all journalists get a free iPad to STFU?

[alanwarwic]

I'm getting into part thinking that this declared war has backfired on Apple.
I doubt whether Samsung would have got so heavily into Apple comparison marketing otherwise

The latest one has two iPhone users exclaiming 'you can't text and watch video at the same time' whist an S3 user walks past do just that.

Is then end product of all of this now strong brand identity?

[psionic]

They're all at it anyway. The only winners are the lawyers who are raking it in. http://news.yahoo.com/google-tries-b...210657176.html

[Dai13371]

Bloody hell. Just sit everyone round a bloody table and don't let them eat, piss or shit until they all agree not to sue each other anymore.

[darkjedimaster]

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

I'm getting into part thinking that this declared war has backfired on Apple.
I doubt whether Samsung would have got so heavily into Apple comparison marketing otherwise

The latest one has two iPhone users exclaiming 'you can't text and watch video at the same time' whist an S3 user walks past do just that.

Is then end product of all of this now strong brand identity?

With Samsung almost due to hit the 10 million mark next month for the S3, Apple is far from being the leader in mobile communications.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...roach-10m.html

Apple is just plain jealous that Samsung has sold more than any mobile manufacturer since the S & S2 came out. So they have to resort to childish tactics by suing companies like Samsung & HTC to stop the better handsets getting released.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...50m-units.html

[darkjedimaster]

Apple lose UK case against HTC.

A UK court has decided that not only did HTC not infringe on four patents Apple brought against it, but three of them are invalid.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07..._infringement/

Nice one HTC, now let's hope that Samsung also win against them.

[flagpole]

Originally Posted by darkjedimaster

Apple lose UK case against HTC.

A UK court has decided that not only did HTC not infringe on four patents Apple brought against it, but three of them are invalid.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07..._infringement/

Nice one HTC, now let's hope that Samsung also win against them.

slide to unlock patent is now invalid. thank **** for that. silly *****.

[alanwarwic]

"Judge Christopher Floyd said that the photo management patent was valid, but HTC wasn't infringing on it."
"The judge ruled that the three other patents were invalid – either because they were obvious, in the common knowledge or had been done before."

"Apple said it had no additional comment other than its stock reply that "competitors should create their own technology, not steal ours"."

[Stiggles]

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

"Apple said it had no additional comment other than its stock reply that "competitors should create their own technology, not steal ours"."

Bit of a cheek really coming from Apple!!

[Pretinama]

To be honest, pretty much all of the tech companies seem to be suing each other. It's just trendy to pick on Apple at the moment. Though the whole patent situation does need to be resolved. If Apple are truly protecting their IP then I think that is absolutely fine. But I don't know enough about this really to say who (if anyone) is in the wrong.

[alanwarwic]

Originally Posted by Pretinama

It's just trendy to pick on Apple at the moment.

Well I can't recall anyone else but Apple declaring war.

If I am just being biased correct me.

[The Lord Lucan]

I CANNOT understand why anyone would start a thread about this... They all sue each other it's just more reported that Apple does it.
Second it is not stifling innovation as Android in the early days was not a innovative product as it was broadly a copy plus a feature thats new here or there.
It is also worth mentioning that Google brought out a fix within hours of the court ruling that they copied... i'd say that Apple & the Court forced them to INNOVATE!

Windows mobile although not quite at the same level as Android and iOS yet, is very much a ground up designed to be different product through innovation. Don't even get me started on the hardware aspects of samsung and the rippy offie early iPhone/iPad copies which no sensible person can deny were built specifically with being similar to the iPhone.

Apple isn't innocent at all but they get far more heat for the things they do than the others, yet i'd say the others are far worse. It's called being competitive and court is there for when your being a cheating bar steward