[paulbrock]

iPads and other tablets have their uses - photography is not likely to be one of them IMHO.

Until the latest iPad the camera in them was dire. Really, REALLY shit. The camera on your phone is better, and requires less waving around as the ipad form factor is poor for taking photos anyway.

Originally Posted by digimon900

The realtors (estate agents) do their pictures on the ipad and its uploaded to the web as they write the description of the house. So they can visit a potential seller and put the house on the market in one simple visit, no returning to the office to upload photographs or prepare documents etc.

Why not just do it on their phone camera?

Originally Posted by hotmat3k

I know a lot of people use the iPad camera to take pictures of written notes and such to keep as a backup. Probably the most useful thing for people who write a lot.

Why not just do it on their phone camera?

It's not just an ipad/Apple thing. On New Year's Eve this year I was down on Embankment in London nice and early to take some photos of the fireworks. Shortly before midnight a guy in front of me got out a Samsung Galaxy tab and started waving it in the air determined to get some shots.

If someone wants to go up a mountain, ignore the (in the vast majority of cases) higher quality camera in their phone and wave around a tablet instead, good luck to them. If they want to do it in a crowd, blocking the view of the people behind them, its massively anti social IMHO, and it will only be a matter of time before it is knocked out of their hand.

Chap last year taking photos on a tablet at Notting Hill Carnival:
https://plus.google.com/104859346014...ts/M1svp8izZwQ

Because its a great place to flash around expensive gadgets

[IanN]

Originally Posted by digimon900

too hard to keep up with all these animals! Lion has app capability and you can launch an app screen by clicking on the rocket icon, not all apps are compatible but those that are will work the same way as if on a phone or tablet. Interestingly you have to log in to iTunes to get any of the apps so there is a record of exactly who has them

digimon900 - you've got several things completely wrong in this thread, firstly, you don't need to be connected to the internet to save notes, the notes application saves them. Secondly, whilst you can't get MS Office for iPad (it's coming) you can get the Apple iWork suite and QuickOffice - I have both and again they allow you to save files locally to you iPad, or if connected to the internet you can save to online services like iCloud.

Secondly 'app capability'? All operating systems have the ability to run apps, what you are referring to is launchpad - it simply displays your OSX apps in a grid similar to iOS, it in no way allows you to run iOS apps on OSX

[hungover]

Originally Posted by madscotsboy

Actually I think you'll find that the rumour of Macs not being able to get viruses and how much of a lie that is was started by non Mac Users or ridiculously undereducated Mac users. All Mac users are aware that we can get viruses, and that now Apple are more mainstream the threat level is increasing. I have AV software on my Mac and have done since I bought it. It is naive to think you are immune.


Why is it always a damn competition and bitch match…

Erm... Apple actually state that Macs don't get viruses and that your security is ensured without you having to do anything...

Quote from the apple site

"It doesn’t get PC viruses.

A Mac isn’t susceptible to the thousands of viruses plaguing Windows-based computers. That’s thanks to built-in defenses in Mac OS X that keep you safe, without any work on your part."

The above is slight of hand misrepresentation, designed to fool owners into thinking that they will be safe from the big bad world.

I commend you for having AV software, personally I think that not having AV protection is irresponsible and selfish. Sadly though you are in the minority.

Most Mac owners that I know don't have any because they believe everything that Apple tell them. Most of those people I consider to be intelligent and not generally susceptible to scam marketing.

Even "expert" Mac owners refuse to accept that they need AV protection. Checkout the Flashback threads at AppleInsider. The majority of cult members there seem to think that Flashback was some kind of invented conspiracy.

Apple make some very good products, generally built to high standards and backed by good customer support. I have no problem with people buying their stuff but I do get hacked off with Apple's sales techniques which filter down from the press to the end user and results in people that can barely tie their shoe laces telling me that they are superior because they purchased a product that "never gets viruses"/"just works"/"is innovative" and so on.

I don't go around telling people that my football team is the best but if someone tries telling me that theirs is the best ever I will call foul. Thus the competition and bitching match.

[hungover]

Originally Posted by digimon900

Macs can pass viruses on between windows computers with ease and do all the time.
There are Mac viruses around - known as System vulnerabilities - they get stamped out pretty quickly by software updates rather than anti virus software. That is Apple find out about them and every single device gets a software update, whether the vulnerability was detected or not. Sure with the proliferation of apps now being written for iPad and iPhone and their now interchangeable with mac computers under the latest release (Snow Leopard I think) its only a matter of time before someone creates wanton destruction amongst devices via the black hole of the back door or trojan...

Not quite true.

Apple took 3 months longer than Oracle/Microsoft to deal with the Java exploit that became FlashBack.

Owners of Leopard (an OS that was last sold only 3 years ago) receive no support and no updates, by contrast XP owners still get security updates.

[soran]

The reason I posted this thread in GD to start with was because I was annoyed with just one particular use of tablets,not the tech or anything else, but unfortunately the mods moved it here, and the reason I kept it out of the tech forums in the first place has happened

Can you please keep the thread on topic i.e the use of tablets in public as cameras/camcorders, and take your Apple vs everyone else discussions elsewhere. I swear the tech forums have got as bad as the days of Valhund and Soundburst recently, with too many threads going off on a tangent.

Could almost do with a sub forum called "Tech Chatter" or something

Thanks to those posters who have stayed on topic

[Dan Sette]

Originally Posted by hungover

"It doesn’t get PC viruses.

The above is slight of hand misrepresentation, .

Not really. It's the truth. A mac doesn't get a PC - read Windows - viruses

I run a Mac - and actually do have AV on it (a throw back from my paranoid days.

However, a friend, who lives on the internet (it's his profession) has used Macs for fifteen years and has never had one nor has any AV protection.

[digimon900]

Originally Posted by hungover

Not quite true.

Apple took 3 months longer than Oracle/Microsoft to deal with the Java exploit that became FlashBack.

Owners of Leopard (an OS that was last sold only 3 years ago) receive no support and no updates, by contrast XP owners still get security updates.

I have Leopard and I get updates - all the computers at uni that I used to manage until I was laid off have leopard and they get updates.

[hungover]

Originally Posted by soran

The reason I posted this thread in GD to start with was because I was annoyed with just one particular use of tablets,not the tech or anything else, but unfortunately the mods moved it here, and the reason I kept it out of the tech forums in the first place has happened

Can you please keep the thread on topic i.e the use of tablets in public as cameras/camcorders, and take your Apple vs everyone else discussions elsewhere. I swear the tech forums have got as bad as the days of Valhund and Soundburst recently, with too many threads going off on a tangent.

Could almost do with a sub forum called "Tech Chatter" or something

Thanks to those posters who have stayed on topic

Point taken, sorry.

I have created a new thread to bitch/defend Apple

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...9#post58964669

[hungover]

Originally Posted by digimon900

I have Leopard and I get updates - all the computers at uni that I used to manage until I was laid off have leopard and they get updates.

My bad- Apple did eventually cave in to demand and uncharacteristically released the FlashBack update for Leopard on may 14th. This was the first security update for almost a year (june 23 2011).

http://support.apple.com/downloads/#macosx105

[XxBlaKOuTZxX]

The wife and I have an ipad and think they are great. Although we don't take it out with us (we both use an ipod touch for that) if we're taking photo's of our kids or whatever during our days out. Good to have on long journeys to keep the kids amused.

[Dan Sette]

Originally Posted by soran

the use of tablets in public as cameras/camcorders

Idiots with iPads?

OK, no more idiotic than idiots with cameras, then surely.

If I want to go and do really important, high quality, photo session then I'll take the tools for the job.

If I have my phone with me and I see something interesting, then I'll snap it with the phone.

Simarlarly, if I'm working and I happen to be using my iPad (yes it does do Word and Excel, thank you) and I see something interesting that needs an instant photo, I'll use it.

No difference to missing the photo while I fumble for another piece of equipment.

My choice. No problem.

[hungover]

Originally Posted by Dan Sette

Idiots with iPads?

OK, no more idiotic than idiots with cameras, then surely.

If I want to go and do really important, high quality, photo session then I'll take the tools for the job.

If I have my phone with me and I see something interesting, then I'll snap it with the phone.

Simarlarly, if I'm working and I happen to be using my iPad (yes it does do Word and Excel, thank you) and I see something interesting that needs an instant photo, I'll use it.

No difference to missing the photo while I fumble for another piece of equipment.

My choice. No problem.

Fair enough but many of the photos of people using their ipads as a camera suggest that those people were not in the middle of using their Ipad and then decided to grab a shot, too many look like they were merely trying to show off their ipad. I wonder how many have a 4S which would produce even better results

[soran]

Originally Posted by hungover

Fair enough but many of the photos of people using their ipads as a camera suggest that those people were not in the middle of using their Ipad and then decided to grab a shot, too many look like they were merely trying to show off their ipad. I wonder how many have a 4S which would produce even better results

Quite a few I would think, or at least a smart phone in their pocket, but you are quite correct in saying that most of the people in the pictures/video were using their tablet intentionally as a camera.

I always have a basic SLR bag in my car, and a compact on me if out and about. I have never used the camera on my tablet, and think I have only taken a handful on my phone, which I admit is useful for a throwaway snap to instantly upload to social networks.

If I am out and about with my main SLR kit, I try to be discrete as possible, as I am concious of other people around me, and I don't want it nicked!

I did have a kid not long ago asking why I used such a big camera when his iPhone 4 takes such great pics When I explained to him how many iPhones and iPads I could buy for the cost of my kit I think he got the message(sensor size etc. went straight over his head)

[misar]

Returning to the OPs original point (sorry) it seems to me as an iPad non-believer that nobody has yet suggested the obvious reason for this. The poor bloody users want to VIEW the pictures on their iPads and don't know any other way to get them there.

[Matt D]

Originally Posted by digimon900

too hard to keep up with all these animals! Lion has app capability and you can launch an app screen by clicking on the rocket icon, not all apps are compatible but those that are will work the same way as if on a phone or tablet. Interestingly you have to log in to iTunes to get any of the apps so there is a record of exactly who has them

Mac apps are separate from iOS apps.

The Mac now has an App Store of its own, but these are Mac-only apps for OS X. They will not run on iOS, and iOS apps will not run on OS X.

[Akane Tendo]

Originally Posted by digimon900

Why? people buy them for that

I mean ipad .

[Auld Snody]

Originally Posted by digimon900

I dont see the point in them myself, I need a portable device that allows me to type up notes/letters, catch up on emails and do some photoshop work while stuck on a train or just moving around. Ipad has no practical applications that I can use whatsoever!

With an iPad you can email, photoshop and type up notes/letters. And it is very portable.

[digimon900]

Originally Posted by Auld Snody

With an iPad you can email, photoshop and type up notes/letters. And it is very portable.

I have tried one of my Uni's iPads at home since I entered this thread and you CANNOT access the Adobe software, the Microsoft office, or Email without connecting to the Internet and logging on with your UNI ID. THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVE apps in which you can type, email, or edit pictures. It connects to my neighbor's wi-fi but the browsing is limited compared to what its like when you use it during lectures or inventory at UNI.

[hungover]

Provided you don't care too much about image quality I guess there are things that you can do instantly on an tablet or phone that you can't do with a standard camera.

One such example being the amazing MicroSoft PhotoSynth
http://photosynth.net/ which allows you to take "3D" photos, in reality they are a sequence of photos that are stitched together allowing you record everything around you , not just 360 degrees in one plane but also above and below.

It is free for both Windows Phone and iOS, I guess it will be available on Android at some point in the future. I believe that it works with images taken on proper grown up cameras but you will need to download the software to your pc.

The only downside is that you can't store the results locally, which is understandable given that the finished product is not a JPEG but you can embed the results in emails/webpages/etc.

Going to StarBucks afterwards so that you can show everyone how kool you are with your iPad afterwards is optional...

[nanscombe]

Originally Posted by digimon900

I have tried one of my Uni's iPads at home since I entered this thread and you CANNOT access the Adobe software, the Microsoft office, or Email without connecting to the Internet and logging on with your UNI ID.

Indeed, and you never will. However, it's more than just a remote terminal ...

Originally Posted by digimon900

THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVE apps in which you can type, email, or edit pictures.

Or rather ...

THERE ARE NO (pre loaded, free) ALTERNATIVE apps in which you can type, email, or edit pictures.

Type (office documents)

Office documents - Quick Office Pro $14.99.

Quickoffice Pro Features
A Powerful Mobile Office Solution in Your Pocket

Quickoffice® Pro is the essential Microsoft® Office productivity tool for your iPhone or iPod touch that offers an intuitive and easy-to-use interface for advanced editing of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint files with an integrated file management solution with convenient access to multiple cloud service providers including MobileMe, Dropbox, Google® Docs, Box.net, Huddle and SugarSync.

Oh! Quick Office has been acquired by Google.

E-mail

You'll never be able to get e-mail without a data connection anyway.

Editing photos

For example ...

Photogene for iPad - $2.99

Main features:

- Full featured photo editor: crop, straighten, color adjustments (including histogram and curves), sharpen and denoise, retouch tools (dodge/burn, heal, localized effects and more).

- Export or upload several photos at once. Photogene supports a wide selection of export destinations, including Flickr, Dropbox, Facebook, Twitter, Picasa, FTP and e-mail. 

- Special effects: center focus, tilt-shift, vignette, frames, reflection, text boxes and much more. 

- Presets: large collection of predefined presets. Instantly give your photo a new look and then tweak it yourself.

- Collage maker: combine several photos into one piece of art using a variety of templates.

- Metadata viewer: visual display of all the information stored in your photos. Including location on a map, date&time, file size, etc (IPTC editor included). 

- Resize your photos as you export them. 



Originally Posted by digimon900

It connects to my neighbor's wi-fi but the browsing is limited compared to what its like when you use it during lectures or inventory at UNI.

Of course, I'm sure you sought their permission to use the network.

[PiazzaCharlie]

Originally Posted by digimon900

I have tried one of my Uni's iPads at home since I entered this thread and you CANNOT access the Adobe software, the Microsoft office, or Email without connecting to the Internet and logging on with your UNI ID. THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVE apps in which you can type, email, or edit pictures. It connects to my neighbor's wi-fi but the browsing is limited compared to what its like when you use it during lectures or inventory at UNI.

I think there are third party apps that support Office.

There's Adobe's Photoshop Touch, or iPhoto for editing pictures.

I'm not aware of any way of getting email without connecting to the internet. Apologies if I've misunderstood you there.

I don't know what you mean about limited browsing.

[digimon900]

Originally Posted by nanscombe

Of course, I'm sure you sought their permission to use the network.

I asked for the password because I dont have wi-fi

[digimon900]

Originally Posted by PiazzaCharlie

I don't know what you mean about limited browsing.

As soon as you try and access stuff it tells you that you have not been authorized to do so

[nanscombe]

Originally Posted by digimon900

As soon as you try and access stuff it tells you that you have not been authorized to do so

I'm no expert but that sounds a bit odd?

If you are attached to your neighbours network, have they got some sort of website filtering set up, by MAC address or something?

Or are you trying to access stuff from your Uni and are being blocked?

[digimon900]

no its BBC.co.uk that is the main problem