[i4u]

Originally Posted by Dancc

Interesting that you'll take +1 included numbers for the other channels, but not Channel 5 / Big Brother.

Could you be any more biased?

Biased, moi?

Both C4 and C5 have +1.

Even without +1 Secret Millionaire still trumped BB.

[Dancc]

If you say so, looks like a minor victory in Total People to me. However if you look at the key demographics, Secret Millionaire only had 262,000 16-34s. Whilst I don't have the exact figure for yesterday, Big Brother will have had nearly 500,000. If you're an advertiser looking to target young viewers which is more attractive by some distance?

[i4u]

Originally Posted by Salv*

Big Brother anchored Channel 5's night with 1.3m (5.4%) in the 9pm hour, adding 127k (0.7%) on timeshift.

1.43m in total then. At least it was 30k up on the night before.

And is 15% down on last Monday?

Clear BB suffered from Spanish & Italian restaurant staff following their teams in Euro 2012 and celebrating their victory.

[Salv*]

Originally Posted by i4u

And is 15% down on last Monday?

Clear BB suffered from Spanish & Italian restaurant staff following their teams in Euro 2012 and celebrating their victory.

For the first time I had to miss BB last night because of the Italy match. Support them and never have supported England. I could miss an England match over BB, but would never watch BB over Italy.

The ratings will be up soon, got to say, it's doing well for Ch5 despite being up against the Euros. When the Euro finishes, BB can only go up really unless BB gets very boring... but it's brilliant at the moment.

[Salv*]

Originally Posted by i4u

Biased, moi?

Both C4 and C5 have +1.

Even without +1 Secret Millionaire still trumped BB.

That's what promotion does. It has nothing to do with quality. I have not seen a HL show being advertised since last week, while Secret Millionaire had an ad airing in every single Ch4 break.

[Dancc]

There's been 20 second trails for every single highlights show on C5 for over a week now. They normally air in and around their 8pm show. It's a shame they can't get these out a bit earlier in the evening but obviously this is as soon as they can do it.

It will be interesting to see what effect the winding down of the football has on BB. The show could make some gains amongst male viewers in particular. It's not as if the other channels have loads of tempting options on offer, with BBC One and ITV1 very much in summer mode now and airing mostly filler or repeats.

[ChipChomper]

Originally Posted by Salv*

That's what promotion does. It has nothing to do with quality. I have not seen a HL show being advertised since last week, while Secret Millionaire had an ad airing in every single Ch4 break.

surely the issue facing BB.
endemol and C5 and previous C4 know a lot of people tune in for the launch theres always nearly a huge drop then settling down to the Core followers.

Its that core following is shifting and this has always been the problem since C5 took the show.they NEVER listen they come out with statements nothing to backup what they said.
'the shows moved on' how did they work that out???

We have a collection of HM's that just love stayingup late in the night they rely on Twitter for updates but the person doing the tweets is gone by 2am loads of events not even covered in the h.l show.Worse this is going to get the warning signs are there for week 2 sort it out.

[fansforhilson]

I don't think promotion is the issue really, because look at Kitchen wars on channel 5, that was SO heavily promoted, on the main channels at peak time eg ITV during corrie and it didn't even hit 1 mill. Obviously they could promote a bit more, but there has to be another problem for the ratings going slightly down?

[i4u]

Originally Posted by Salv*

That's what promotion does. It has nothing to do with quality. I have not seen a HL show being advertised since last week, while Secret Millionaire had an ad airing in every single Ch4 break.

Cue the violins.

[sjon]

Big Brother has been going since 2000. By now the viewers know its on every night. It doesn't need promotion after the first couple of days because if people want to watch it, they will. When it got shunted around the schedule towards the end on Channel 4 without notice, viewers still followed and found it. It only needs promotion for big episodes where something notable has happened overnight.

[Salv*]

Originally Posted by fansforhilson

I don't think promotion is the issue really, because look at Kitchen wars on channel 5, that was SO heavily promoted, on the main channels at peak time eg ITV during corrie and it didn't even hit 1 mill. Obviously they could promote a bit more, but there has to be another problem for the ratings going slightly down?

Slightly down on last week yes, but up on last year. The problem is that the Euro at this stage is going to obviously intensify as these games determine who will go though. 1st and 2nd games isn't that big a deal but the 3rd and last game on the group stage is usually more watched because of the make or break aspect of it.

And this will also worsen BBs ratings if ANY team face BB in the later stages (quarters, semis and final), no matter if England are in it or not, but if it is directly against BB on those stages, BB would be screwed. Right now, BB is holding it's own quite impressively.

[Salv*]

Originally Posted by i4u

Cue the violins.

Obviously my point is extremely valid though

Pantsgate proved that advertising and word of mouth increases ratings, as ratings got to 3.2m, then ratings were back down to 2.6m with no promotion. Thats a 600k drop in 2 days.

[sjon]

Originally Posted by Salv*

Obviously my point is extremely valid though

Pantsgate proved that advertising and word of mouth increases ratings, as ratings got to 3.2m, then ratings were back down to 2.6m with no promotion. Thats a 600k drop in 2 days.

Pantsgate was also a big event. BB5 fight night for example, it wasn't out of the press each day and Channel 4 used to always advertise it anyway, yet fight night still got higher ratings than the shows leading up and following. Its more to do with what is going on rather than the promotion itself.

[Salv*]

Looks like it got 1.4m.
It's about 200k down on this time last week, I knew Chris shouldn't have gone!

[happybbfan]

1.34m
50k +1

[Damien.]

Originally Posted by Salv*

Looks like it got 1.4m.
It's about 200k down on this time last week, I knew Chris shouldn't have gone!

People at the pub for the England match?

[Salv*]

Originally Posted by Damien.

People at the pub for the England match?

No idea, but I know for sure that after the Euro's ratings will increase form the 1.4m rating.
Tonight possibly 1.5m.

[Dancc]

Back to 1.4s again. Quite frustrating I have to say. Third night in a row now. Note there will be no C4 comparisons today because C5 beat C4 in primetime.

How was last night's episode? I wasn't able to watch last night's live but it's waiting for me on my box when I get home.

[Gothic-Dude]

I tend to watch it on demand as I am out most nights, does On demand count in the ratings?

[davey_wavey]

Originally Posted by Dancc

Back to 1.4s again. Quite frustrating I have to say. Third night in a row now. Note there will be no C4 comparisons today because C5 beat C4 in primetime.

How was last night's episode? I wasn't able to watch last night's live but it's waiting for me on my box when I get home.

It was a good episode. We had the nominations, Lydia plotting, Lydia/Arron argument in the kitchen, and Luke A finally getting his voice heard.

I think if it stays between 1.4 - 1.6m then that will be fine.

[happybbfan]

Anyone know what how the ratings are going for BOTS please

[rzt]

BB13 Overnight Ratings Update:

Day	Date	        Slot	C5 (exc +1)	C5+1	C5 (inc C5+1)						
Tue	05/06/12	21:00	2.63	12.0	0.076	2.71
Wed	06/06/12	22:00	1.42	8.0	0.098	1.52
Thu	07/06/12	22:00	1.44	8.0	0.052	1.49
Fri	08/06/12	22:00	1.35	7.0	0.090	1.44
Sat	09/06/12	21:00	1.19	6.3	0.038	1.23
Sun	10/06/12	21:00	1.34	4.0	0.139	1.48
Mon	11/06/12	21:00	1.46	6.1	0.191	1.65
Tue	12/06/12	21:00	1.48	8.3	0.060	1.54
Wed	13/06/12	22:00	1.32	7.3	0.089	1.41
Thu	14/06/12	22:00	1.54	8.4	0.050	1.59
Fri	15/06/12	22:00	1.50	7.3	0.073	1.57
Sat	16/06/12	21:00	1.08	4.8	0.120	1.20
Sun	17/06/12	21:00	1.27	4.9	0.131	1.40
Mon	18/06/12	21:00	1.30	5.4	0.127	1.43
Tue	19/06/12	22:00	1.34	7.4	0.050	1.39

Overnight Series Average:	1.44	7.0	0.092	1.54

In BB12, the average for the show until Tuesday of the 2nd week was 1.46m.

And here's the BB13 Official Ratings Update:

Day	Date 	        Slot	C5	C5+1	C5 (inc C5+1)
Tue	05/06/2012	21:00	2.93	0.084	3.02
Wed	06/06/2012	22:00	1.80	0.117	1.92
Thu	07/06/2012	22:00	1.85	0.083	1.93
Fri	08/06/2012	22:00	1.67	0.111	1.78
Sat	09/06/2012	21:00	1.58	0.068	1.64
Sun	10/06/2012	21:00	1.67	0.169	1.83
Mon	11/06/2012	21:00	1.75	0.215	1.97
Tue	12/06/2012	21:00	1.83	0.069	1.90

Official Series Average:	1.88	0.114	2.00

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The average timeshift per episode so far has been +0.37m. By this stage of BB12, the official series average was 1.89m.

[Ryan_Glasgow]

Thanks for that! Interesting that mondays episode would round up to 2 million! Very good ratings for channel 5 indeed.

[Salv*]

2m for that Monday episode

[Veri]

Originally Posted by rzt

...

And here's the BB13 Official Ratings Update:

Day	Date 	        Slot	C5	C5+1	C5 (inc C5+1)
Tue	05/06/2012	21:00	2.93	0.084	3.02
Wed	06/06/2012	22:00	1.80	0.117	1.92
Thu	07/06/2012	22:00	1.85	0.083	1.93
Fri	08/06/2012	22:00	1.67	0.111	1.78
Sat	09/06/2012	21:00	1.58	0.068	1.64
Sun	10/06/2012	21:00	1.67	0.169	1.83
Mon	11/06/2012	21:00	1.75	0.215	1.97
Tue	12/06/2012	21:00	1.83	0.069	1.90

Official Series Average:	1.88	0.114	2.00

The average timeshift per episode so far has been +0.37m. By this stage of BB12, the official series average was 1.89m.

So on C5, bb13 is actually doing slightly worse than bb12 (1.88 vs 1.89).