[Luis Essex]

Originally Posted by lf2k7

Unless you're currently missing channels...

The more widely watched channels will still be there. I personally know households which do not watch enough TV to want to spend time trying to locate anything that would be to them worthwhile watching on the non-PSB channels, or spend time retuning when all the channels that they cherry-pick from are PSB channels and those PSB channels will still be there after the 27th.

I have a freeview recorder just for BBC Radio from Sudbury. No tuning will be required. The PVR is missing channels but I have no need of recording them so will not be retuning.

[Sue_Aitch]

Originally Posted by zoepaulpenny

I hope when I retune my free view on the 27 Wednesday, it will be for the last time!!! we share the BLUEBELL HILL TRANSMITTER.

It takes but minutes, unless you've a TV and/or box in most rooms and regular retuning keeps the EPG up to date if your box won't scan for channels automatically.

[reslfj]

Originally Posted by Sue_Aitch

It takes but minutes, unless you've a TV and/or box in most rooms and regular retuning keeps the EPG up to date if your box won't scan for channels automatically.

You will have to retune ever so often - this modern world is abount never ending change - TV retunes a just a tiny part of the changes or 'retunes' you will be required to be part of.

You may not like it, a little can be automated*, but you are not asked nor is your government if you want change - it's a fact of modern life.

Lars

PS! In this case of digital TV, newer models makes retunes somewhat easier.

[Ray Cathode]

Originally Posted by lf2k7

Unless you're currently missing channels...

Then they couldn't be described as existing Sandy Heath viewers

[bayards]

Whatever they are doing at Sandy, it's almost a fortnightly occurence for the grey box to appear on my TV telling me there has been a change and do a re-scan....
Bloody thing.....

[OwenSmith]

Originally Posted by Sue_Aitch

It takes but minutes, unless you've a TV and/or box in most rooms and regular retuning keeps the EPG up to date if your box won't scan for channels automatically.

On the Humax HDR Hox T2 I have to:

i) photograph the recording schedule
ii) start an autotune and cancel it to clear all existing channels
iii) manual tune the specific Sandy Heath muxes one UHF channel number at a time
iv) restore the recording schedule from the photos (retuning clears the schedule)
v) turn back on my 2PM to 2:20PM autostart timer to keep the EPG up to date (retuning cancels the time)

This usually takes around half an hour. As such I do it is infrequenty as I can get away with, usually on a mandatory retune and then about once every 6 months or less.

[Sue_Aitch]

Understood

On my TVOnics HV-250 I have to

Reset the Box
Wait for it to find all the channels
Press Red for England
Press Red for Kent (last retiune brought up East Sussex as a choice too, but as programmes are identical, I kept to Kent)
Set any settings including programme timers and network links so's I might access iPlayer.

The TVOnics MFR-300 tunes to Kent without prompting

15 Mins Max for both.

[OwenSmith]

Originally Posted by Sue_Aitch

On my TVOnics HV-250 I have to

Reset the Box
Wait for it to find all the channels
Press Red for England
Press Red for Kent (last retiune brought up East Sussex as a choice too, but as programmes are identical, I kept to Kent)

Unforunately on the Humax while it prompts for regions it completely ignores what the user selected. It just takes whichever version of a mux was found last ie. highest UHF channel. The rest appear as channels in the 800s. This means you can be using muxes mixed across different regions as the main channels and maybe none of them on your preferred transmitter. Also when the Humax has channels in the 800s it completely breaks Accurate Recording with "failed to track" errors.

For the Humax to work properly it has to be tuned to a single transmitter only. The only way to gaurantee that is to manually tune the individual muxes.

My parents and Aunt can't cope with the above. Their boxes get retuned only when I visit them, I had to arrange a visit to coincide with Emley Moor switchover. Both of them can see a repeater as well as Emley Moor.

[Sue_Aitch]

It's not great when the tech doesn't behave as you'd want.

This from DUK

If you were to produce a a photo-guide-to-the-screens your rellies in Yorkshire might be able to manage future retunes on their tod.

[OwenSmith]

Originally Posted by Sue_Aitch

It's not great when the tech doesn't behave as you'd want.

This from DUK

If you were to produce a a photo-guide-to-the-screens your rellies in Yorkshire might be able to manage future retunes on their tod.

I hate it that Digital UK advise people to do a full factory reset. It's just about the most stupid advice they could give, since EVERYTHING has to be set up again (4:3 vs. 16:9 TV etc. etc.). I've warned my relatives not to do that.

My parents TV takes over an hour to re-enter all the settings if you factory reset, since Sony stupidly made all the settings independent per input. Just going through changing them all back to be global rather than per input takes a long time given the nastiness of the user interface. Having seperate settings available per input is good to fix problems, but it is insane having it as the default. The default should be global settings.

[joshua_welby]

News just in from Digital UK there will be Service Shutdowns between 00:01 and Mid Afternoon tomorrow at the Sudbury Transmitter and it's Relays
See Here http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/how_do_i_...ineering_works

[Sue_Aitch]

Originally Posted by OwenSmith

I hate it that Digital UK advise people to do a full factory reset. It's just about the most stupid advice they could give, since EVERYTHING has to be set up again (4:3 vs. 16:9 TV etc. etc.). I've warned my relatives not to do that.

My parents TV takes over an hour to re-enter all the settings if you factory reset, since Sony stupidly made all the settings independent per input. Just going through changing them all back to be global rather than per input takes a long time given the nastiness of the user interface. Having seperate settings available per input is good to fix problems, but it is insane having it as the default. The default should be global settings.

To be fair, it does depend on whether you've gone for a new DTV or, like me, are happy to keep an Anaolgue-Tuner TV CRT and have a PVE or Set top Box you're familiar with.

Caveat emptor.

[OwenSmith]

Originally Posted by Sue_Aitch

To be fair, it does depend on whether you've gone for a new DTV or, like me, are happy to keep an Anaolgue-Tuner TV CRT and have a PVE or Set top Box you're familiar with.

Caveat emptor.

I disagree. Digital UK should be advising people to look for the "Automatic Channel Tune" or similarly named option, not Factory Reset! For many people a factory reset will cause more problems than it solves.

[joshua_welby]

Originally Posted by Sue_Aitch

To be fair, it does depend on whether you've gone for a new DTV or, like me, are happy to keep an Anaolgue-Tuner TV CRT and have a PVE or Set top Box you're familiar with.

Caveat emptor.

I have a CRT TV connected to my Freeview box, but I do not do a Full Retune and nothing bad has happened so far, I just choose the Automatic Tuning Option,
as this is the only option I have to carry out a Retune
The other box has two options one for Automatic Retune and one that just Adds channels and I just select Add Channels and it automatically deletes the old channels
and put the new ones up, I have no problems when I do not carry out a Full Retune, I do not know why Digital UK are pushing for us to carry out a very timely Full Retune

[Sue_Aitch]

Originally Posted by joshua_welby

I have a CRT TV connected to my Freeview box, but I do not do a Full Retune and nothing bad has happened so far, I just choose the Automatic Tuning Option,
as this is the only option I have to carry out a Retune
The other box has two options one for Automatic Retune and one that just Adds channels and I just select Add Channels and it automatically deletes the old channels
and put the new ones up, I have no problems when I do not carry out a Full Retune, I do not know why Digital UK are pushing for us to carry out a very timely Full Retune

Timely or time consuming, d'you mean, Joshua?

I am guessing DUK do this so that boxes like my brother's Thomson DTI 1000 running version 5.5 copes with going from 2k to 8k and other boxes get their memory cleared out ...

Every box has its own way of dealing with retunes.

But maybe the FAQs on the DUK site say more on this.

[fmradiotuner1]

Originally Posted by joshua_welby

News just in from Digital UK there will be Service Shutdowns between 00:01 and Mid Afternoon tomorrow at the Sudbury Transmitter and it's Relays
See Here http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/how_do_i_...ineering_works

Lucky we have London to watch but it will effect the TV in the other room as it only gets anglia.

[Sue_Aitch]

Originally Posted by Sue_Aitch

But maybe the FAQs on the DUK site say more on this.

... not to forget the TV Retune website/

[Luis Essex]

Originally Posted by OwenSmith

I disagree. Digital UK should be advising people to look for the "Automatic Channel Tune" or similarly named option, not Factory Reset! For many people a factory reset will cause more problems than it solves.

On some PVRs an Automatic Channel Tune can produce a bit of a mess.
E.g. A Humax 9200T which is not on version 23 of the software.

[OwenSmith]

Originally Posted by Luis Essex

On some PVRs an Automatic Channel Tune can produce a bit of a mess.
E.g. A Humax 9200T which is not on version 23 of the software.

In other words the vagaries of the different boxes and TVs means that generic advice is worthless. The Digital UK web site should have a menu of equipment to select from and a specific retuning guide for each one. But that would mean doing their job properly, so there's no chance of that.

[Sue_Aitch]

See BBC Red Button Digital Text page 9991
See Digital Teletext on itv and 4 page 362


Did you know http://www.tvretune.co.uk, which has specific retune guides, instruction manuals and how to do manual retunes is Copyright © Digital UK Ltd. 2011, is easy to navigate and is brought to you by BBC, itv, C4, S4/C, Channel 5 and Freeview?

[joshua_welby]

Is anyone able to Report on the Digital Switchover at the Sudbury Transmitter and it's Relays?

[OwenSmith]

Originally Posted by Sue_Aitch

See BBC Red Button Digital Text page 9991
See Digital Teletext on itv and 4 page 362

Did you know http://www.tvretune.co.uk, which has specific retune guides, instruction manuals and how to do manual retunes is Copyright © Digital UK Ltd. 2011 and brought to you by BBC, itv, C4, S4/C, Channel 5 and Freeview?

OK so why doesn't the Digital UK web site point at this instead of just saying to do a factory reset?

Also I tried the tvretune site and it doesn't have the Humax HDR Fox T2 in it at all, it only has the older SD Humax boxes in its menus. My particular model of Sony TV isn't listed either.

[Sue_Aitch]

I do not know; I was only trying to help, honest.

Perhaps using the webmail under the Contact Us button or phoning DUK on their telephone or textphone number would help with the answers to your questions, straight from the horse's mouth as it were.

[chrisy]

Originally Posted by Sue_Aitch

Did you know http://www.tvretune.co.uk, which has specific retune guides, instruction manuals and how to do manual retunes is Copyright © Digital UK Ltd. 2011, is easy to navigate and is brought to you by BBC, itv, C4, S4/C, Channel 5 and Freeview?

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[Sue_Aitch]