[_SpeedRacer_]

Originally Posted by cosmo crumb

I really don't get the BBC's scheduling of Today at Wimbledon, why do they have it at 8pm when on most days (like tonight) there is still live tennis going on

And they missed live action of a big British result too - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/18572791

[Gordie10]

Originally Posted by highnal

Ugh... why do the BBC insist on keeping that horrible onscreen scoreboard. I've just come in from work, put the tennis on... is it too much to ask to see the scores of the previous sets?

Yeah ... especially as it takes up just as much screen space during the second set when it's in this format as the old one would, and MORE space during the first set!

[Straker]

Originally Posted by _SpeedRacer_

And they missed live action of a big British result too - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/18572791

It’s madness gone mad. They pull away from the end of the Watson match to go to the highlights show. I’m not one to big up women’s tennis nor am I a camp-follower of players just because they happen to be British but it was a good match and it should have gone out in it’s entirety on BBC2 instead of hidden on the red button (shit quality in standard-def on Freeview - almost as bad as ITV4 ’s French PQ at times).

I praised them earlier for trying to get different coverage across their channels but having said that Freeview viewers yesterday saw NONE of the Isner, Mahut or Berdych games and that’s not good enough.

A large number of the viewers for the HL show are the same as watch throughout the day and yet the Beeb make it impossible for them to watch both live and now they’ve ditched the next day AM repeat of the HL show (in God’s name why?!?!?!) it’s just made all that more hard to catch. Seems as though they imagine everyone now can, or wants to, catch-up on the iPlayer and this is affecting how they schedule. Are they seriously saying that running CBeebies programmes until 11 is better than repeating a show most tennis fans will have missed the night before? This is something they’ve done for years and years but now a useful “no-cost” (having aired the previous night) repeat has been dropped for no good reason at all.

[sigmundv]

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.

If saying Maria Navratilova instead of Martina Navratilova is enough to say that someone hates sport, then Simon Brotherton - football commentator for the BBC - also hates sport, since he several times during a recent football match referred to a player as David Villa instead of David Silva. Mistakes happen in live broadcast.

[Gordie10]

I don't even think highlights really work in tennis, unless they're really long shows, or only cover one or two matches.

Unlike it's a tie-break, you always know everything they show will lead to a break of serve, or will be a match-winning game. What is shown won't necessarily be the best quality of tennis played in the match (i.e. good shots, good rallies, etc.) - only "big", important points.

At least in football, you don't know if the next highlight will be a goal or not. Or in cricket, the next ball could be a boundary or a wicket - there's still an element of surprise.

So, because of that, live coverage should always supercede highlights.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by sigmundv

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.

If saying Maria Navratilova instead of Martina Navratilova is enough to say that someone hates sport, then Simon Brotherton - football commentator for the BBC - also hates sport, since he several times during a recent football match referred to a player as David Villa instead of David Silva. Mistakes happen in live broadcast.

Yes but Brotherton knew he was making a mistake. And there is a Spanish footballer called David Villa.

[wakey]

Originally Posted by sigmundv

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.

If saying Maria Navratilova instead of Martina Navratilova is enough to say that someone hates sport, then Simon Brotherton - football commentator for the BBC - also hates sport, since he several times during a recent football match referred to a player as David Villa instead of David Silva. Mistakes happen in live broadcast.

Wasn't just Brotherton who did that. In the Ireland vs Spain game the ITV commentator did it pretty much everytime Silva touched the ball. He caught himself once but a few minutes later he did it again. Also ITV commentators kept saying Barcelona rather than Spain.

Getting it wrong once is bad enough but commentators continually getting the name wrong really should be a sackable offence. Their main job after all is knowing who the sports people are

[pakokelso93]

Originally Posted by wakey

Wasn't just Brotherton who did that. In the Ireland vs Spain game the ITV commentator did it pretty much everytime Silva touched the ball. He caught himself once but a few minutes later he did it again. Also ITV commentators kept saying Barcelona rather than Spain.

Getting it wrong once is bad enough but commentators continually getting the name wrong really should be a sackable offence. Their main job after all is knowing who the sports people are

Calm down. 3 or 4 mistakes in a game. Criminal.

[ccb2011]

And the coverage will be worse next year when we have just one red button option on all platforms - to me, there could be a couple of things done which could help for next year's coverage...
1) Put evening coverage (last hour of play) on BBC3, like they do with other sports, as well as a game on BBC2.
2) How about Tennis Extra after Newsnight, like they do with Snooker Extra?

[Gordie10]

Originally Posted by ccb2011

1) Put evening coverage (last hour of play) on BBC3, like they do with other sports, as well as a game on BBC2.

How do you know when the "last hour of play" is going to be, especially in the second week? BBC Three could end up being left with some random doubles match.

Might not be such a bad idea if they did that while having Today at Wimbledon on BBC Two though.

[JonLambert]

Originally Posted by ccb2011

And the coverage will be worse next year when we have just one red button option on all platforms

It's going to be so lame when they do that, a massive step backwards. It won't be worth following a match that not on either BBC1 or BBC2, as presumably when either of those channels ends its coverage, that match would take over whatever match had been on the red button.

[F1Ken]

Originally Posted by JonLambert

It's going to be so lame when they do that, a massive step backwards

That's what I have to put up with on freeview! It's not all that bad. Just not as good.

Ken

[martine93]

As i said in the first page in this thread

Originally Posted by martine93

No they will use the new BBC Sport app which is on TiVo , Panasonic’s Viera Connect , and will be on Sony Bravia TVs and PS3 this month. " Support for other connected TV devices will be announced shortly. "

I expect the new BBC Sport app to be on youview when it eventually launches.

I have just checked Wimbledon on the new BBC Sport app and it has 6 live streams and the live stream from BBC 1.

[JonLambert]

Ok, so we are going to have to rely on people having decent enough broadband connections to be able to watch these additional channels in the future on connected tvs? Surely there are a substantial number of people whose Internet connections are not up to it, or will only be sustainable if no other users in the house are sharing the connection at the same time?

[mossy2103]

Originally Posted by JonLambert

Ok, so we are going to have to rely on people having decent enough broadband connections to be able to watch these additional channels in the future on connected tvs? Surely there are a substantial number of people whose Internet connections are not up to it, or will only be sustainable if no other users in the house are sharing the connection at the same time?

It's a fair point, however there are a few things that need to be borne in mind:

1) Whilst extensive coverage of any event is always a good thing for the fan of that event, the BBC has to bear in mind that other viewers should be catered for, and that the event itself should not be seen to be taking over most channels or most times (especially where peak hours are concerned).

2) Additional broadcast streams carry a cost.

3) On DTT, there is finite space, and any additional DTT streams would require either a new mux (which is unlikely given the fact that Ofcom and the Government want to sell new space for mobile TV and local TV), or a drastic reduction in existing bitrates.

[Mark F]

So what channel will Murray be on?

Do the BBC keep him on one channel or move the programmes around to fit in around the match?

[djonshore]

Originally Posted by Mark F

So what channel will Murray be on?

Do the BBC keep him on one channel or move the programmes around to fit in around the match?

BBC TWO/BBC HD and probably red button.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by JonLambert

Ok, so we are going to have to rely on people having decent enough broadband connections to be able to watch these additional channels in the future on connected tvs? Surely there are a substantial number of people whose Internet connections are not up to it, or will only be sustainable if no other users in the house are sharing the connection at the same time?

The PQ on the sports app for Wimbledon through my PS3 is terrible , in my opinion it's worse than the red button SD feeds

[Shawna]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

The PQ on the sports app for Wimbledon through my PS3 is terrible , in my opinion it's worse than the red button SD feeds

Could down to your broadband connection, perhaps the app on the PS3 is delivering a lower quality stream. I know Virgin said all BBC Sports app live streams on TiVo are now in HD where coverage is available and while not comparable to traditional linear HD it is clearly superior to the SD red button feeds via Sky/Freesat.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Shawna

Could down to your broadband connection, perhaps the app on the PS3 is delivering a lower quality stream. I know Virgin said all BBC Sports app live streams on TiVo are now in HD where coverage is available and while not comparable to traditional linear HD it is clearly superior to the SD red button feeds via Sky/Freesat.

My connection throughput is 9mb which handles Netflix HD and iplayer HD no problems but the quality of the sports app for Wimbledon is poor. Wasn't the VM announcement only starting from the Olympics ? Could be wrong though , it's a shame as the app is otherwise pretty good.

[JonLambert]

Didn't know there was a PS3 app until I saw these posts, just tried it and the quality is not great, the PQ is OK, but the frame rate is poor (just like iplayer on the PS3), just can't watch it like that. Why can't they deliver a smooth picture? Assuming its the way it is being delivered on the PS3?

Streaming of the same content on a PC is much better, PQ is rather good, frame rate is better, but still not smooth (could be my PC, but I have no trouble with other content, ie: YouTube HD/ Vevo etc)

[bluesdiamond]

Originally Posted by Gordie10

How do you know when the "last hour of play" is going to be, especially in the second week? BBC Three could end up being left with some random doubles match.

Might not be such a bad idea if they did that while having Today at Wimbledon on BBC Two though.

One of the pleasures of Wimbledon seeing Doubles a sight rarely on TV.

[ccb2011]

Even if it's doubles, I'd welcome an hour of tennis on BBC3. Look, at the end of the day, there's supposed cuts coming across the BBC - so, if the tennis is paid for (which Wimbledon supposedly has just been re-agreed for the next few years) then surely they should show as much as possible, rather than having to rely on repeats? Seems like a no brainer to me - use what they've already paid for!

[DragonQ]

The picture quality on BBCi 1 for the Roddick match (first interactive stream on satellite, can't remember its number/real name) was better than most channels on Freeview. Tells you a lot about Freeview, doesn't it?

[Bandspread199]

3D coverage of tennis? equivalent of watching paint dry in 3D!