[ohboy]

Originally Posted by Gothic-Dude

I thought Alex was voted to be a villain?

he asked if he should be one, and the vote came back yes.

and then he proceeded to get in the face of women and make them cry.

that's being more of a douchebag than a villain.

maybe if he would've been sneaky and stirred up trouble, people would've kept him.

instead, he went around and harassed everyone, especially the women, and laughed about it.

GTFO. that's not entertaining or interesting.

we also had a villain on survivor this season, colton. universally despised by the public.

[Gothic-Dude]

Originally Posted by ohboy

he asked if he should be one, and the vote came back yes.

and then he proceeded to get in the face of women and make them cry.

that's being more of a douchebag than a villain.

maybe if he would've been sneaky and stirred up trouble, people would've kept him.

instead, he went around and harassed everyone, especially the women, and laughed about it.

GTFO. that's not entertaining or interesting.

we also had a villain on survivor this season, colton. universally despised by the public.

Oh okay, I only saw some off episode one so had no idea.

Colton was immature as well, he is also another person just as bad as Dick and Conor, telling poor christine to jump into the fire to kill herself. Part of me was glad he got ill and got removed.

[starry]

Colton I just accepted as a fool playing a load of other fools.

[HughOS]

Originally Posted by sofialady

Is the word vile not allowed?

It is, but is has become a parody of itself. It's used to often when poster are OMG!! OUTRAGED11!

Conor was more than rude, that's the point.

He wasn't more than rude. Not by today's standards or the standards of people his age and my age. He acted like a dick sure. But that's about it.

Guys don't say that type of stuff about women very often but if they do it's usually when they are drunk.

Yes they do. Often it's part of banter between friends but that spills over into heated confrontations too. I wouldn't like to repeat some of the things I've heard guys scream at girls outside pubs and nightclubs after closing time if you think that's bad. Even in school I've heard worse, more explicit things said about other students, teachers, parents etc... It's just how young people speak these days. For right or wrong, that's how it is.

No sane or sober man will say this stuff and thinks it's totally justifiable and normal.

So are you questioning his sanity now? Really? Come on, this is exactly the type of OTT ness I was walking about.

Little did you know, Conor's comment and overall behaviour in this episode was noted not only by DS users but most BB forums, the official site commenters, Twitter and Facebook. Even the BOTS crowd who are as out of touch as you, booed him. He went from one of the favourites to win to having a petition go around asking for his ejection. I don't think it's any of us who have no perspective, it's probably just you.

Online reactions to events are not indicative of overall public feeling. This is Internet 101. Surely I don't need to say it.

[Gothic-Dude]

Originally Posted by starry

Colton I just accepted as a fool playing a load of other fools.

His abuse on Christine was awful, sure she was not the brightest person but he was horrible towards her. I can't believe she was the one who comforted him when he got ill, I would of left him to cry in pain if he told me to jump into the fire

[Bacon&Eggs]

Originally Posted by ferfer

I detested Dick. He was and still is a selfish jerk. I didn't even like Jen, but his behavior was atrocious.

But you have to remember the public have no say in what's happening on USBB, though AP was in place that year. The housemates kept him in and THEY voted for him to win. Not America.

I thought BBUK always seemed to be more conscious of any bullying, uncomfortable behavior, and outright harassment. I'm wondering if that's not the case anymore?

Yes they definitely monitor closely the situation as it developes and if their is an infringement in the rules they will act either with a warning or in more severe cases, by removing people. I think a warning was adequate in this instance.

Bullying is hard to draw up rules for though, as it's hard to distinguish it from natural dislike for someone, then is it bullying? or reacting negatively to them because you don't like them?

Without doubt their was a strong case for the bullying of Deana recently by a few hm's and especially Arron and BB handled it by asking him to put himself in her position of having no friends, and know one talking to her, and what effect that may have on her. I'd of been tempted to warn him myself.

[ohboy]

colton was racist and spoiled and nasty. but the racist things he said made viewers despise him.

[starry]

Originally Posted by Gothic-Dude

His abuse on Christine was awful, sure she was not the brightest person but he was horrible towards her. I can't believe she was the one who comforted him when he got ill, I would of left him to cry in pain if he told me to jump into the fire

The other girls weren't that nice to her either really. I actually quite liked Christine but Survivor is a ruthless game, and those who keep quiet and slide by to the end often win unfortunately.

[sofialady]

Originally Posted by HughOS

It is, but is has become a parody of itself. It's used to often when poster are OMG!! OUTRAGED11!



He wasn't more than rude. Not by today's standards or the standards of people his age and my age. He acted like a dick sure. But that's about it.



Yes they do. Often it's part of banter between friends but that spills over into heated confrontations too. I wouldn't like to repeat some of the things I've heard guys scream at girls outside pubs and nightclubs after closing time if you think that's bad. Even in school I've heard worse, more explicit things said about other students, teachers, parents etc... It's just how young people speak these days. For right or wrong, that's how it is.



So are you questioning his sanity now? Really? Come on, this is exactly the type of OTT ness I was walking about.



Online reactions to events are not indicative of overall public feeling. This is Internet 101. Surely I don't need to say it.

I cannot be bothered to multiquote like you but in a nutshell, your justifcation for Conor's words hold no water really. Anyone who says that crap should be ashamed of themselves because it's wrong and Conor is one of them.

He was more than rude. I would never say that about a woman, ever. Does it make me sound, big, clever? No. So why say it? Only complete imbeciles or drunkards would ever really go that far. You just said it yourself ''what guys say outside clubs and pubs''.. Yeah because they are drunk. They wouldn't sit at a dinner table with all their mates and say what he said.

No I was not questioning his sanity, all i'm saying is, he's clearly not of the same mental capacity as the people posting on these forums, or he just lacks any sort of sense of empathy or human kindness or any sense of social boundaries. He's not logical at all. His outburst was in response to Deana replying to Carolines jibes. WHY would he think that's worth it? The VERY FACT that he said ''I don't care about the diary room'' shows he KNOWS what he said was wrong and against the rules, but he still said it because he wanted to act big clever and tough. But he didn't come off like that. He just ruined his chance of ever winning big brother and for that i'm glad.

Mate public feeling is that what Conor said was an ejectable offence, you can disagree with that if you want but that is the general feeling and you could come to grips with this if you just saw the wave of twitter abuse Conor recieved which is a huge indictment on his behaviour considering a massive demographic of twitter users are the type who usually vote for douche's like Conor.

[Sasparella]

Originally Posted by sofialady

I cannot be bothered to multiquote like you but in a nutshell, your justifcation for Conor's words hold no water really. Anyone who says that crap should be ashamed of themselves because it's wrong and Conor is one of them.

He was more than rude. I would never say that about a woman, ever. Does it make me sound, big, clever? No. So why say it? Only complete imbeciles or drunkards would ever really go that far. You just said it yourself ''what guys say outside clubs and pubs''.. Yeah because they are drunk. They wouldn't sit at a dinner table with all their mates and say what he said.

No I was not questioning his sanity, all i'm saying is, he's clearly not of the same mental capacity as the people posting on these forums, or he just lacks any sort of sense of empathy or human kindness or any sense of social boundaries. He's not logical at all. His outburst was in response to Deana replying to Carolines jibes. WHY would he think that's worth it? The VERY FACT that he said ''I don't care about the diary room'' shows he KNOWS what he said was wrong and against the rules, but he still said it because he wanted to act big clever and tough. But he didn't come off like that. He just ruined his chance of ever winning big brother and for that i'm glad.

Mate public feeling is that what Conor said was an ejectable offence, you can disagree with that if you want but that is the general feeling and you could come to grips with this if you just saw the wave of twitter abuse Conor recieved which is a huge indictment on his behaviour considering a massive demographic of twitter users are the type who usually vote for douche's like Conor.

I was about to type a reply but you've just said all I was about to say.

[Bacon&Eggs]

Originally Posted by starry

Americans may sometimes like underdogs too. And the British may sometimes like 'winners'.

What I mean by a game is that it isn't simply real life, this is what some of the British audience just don't get. They talk about it like it is just a normal everyday situation being in the Big Brother house trapped with very different people and with cameras on you all the time, when it isn't. Those who go on the show know that it can get nasty. Penalties should be consistent and shouldn't show favouritism to some groups. The bias in the UK version has surely been far worse than in America, as they want to guide the audience vote.

The gameplay itself is weak in the UK version because the HMs actually control quite a lot as there are no competitions to disrupt alliances and nominations. The tasks are weak with prizes that few of the audience even care about.

I agree people do lose sight of the differences between real life and life in the house, and people will behave differently inside than out. If i believe Arron is a bully inside the house, do i also believe he is a bully outside it?... I certainly believe he is operating on his worst characteristics, that the house is bringing out the worst sides of him, and so on the outside yes he has that potential to be a bully.

Im assuming you mean by bias & favoritism, the editing process? Amen to that it's getting to the stage where the housemates are nothing more than puppets, the way conversations are chopped up and meanings twisted to convey any message the producers wish to convey should be illegal.

Yes the gameplay is weak, it's deliberately that way, C5 introduced a taste of "BB-UK the game" when they introduced Noms talk, i don't say they back tracked because we didn't like it, but the majority did not like it they'd be foolish to go down that road.

[summerbunny]

Originally Posted by Gothic-Dude

He burnt a girl with a cigarette

He poured water over her

He made nasty remarks about her to her face calling her a bitch

He made fun of peoples religions

Yet America loved him? Why?

first i'v seen of him, what a awfull man!!! i'm shocked
for those that haven't seen him here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rwzHl0wGug

[dash234]

Originally Posted by Gothic-Dude

He burnt a girl with a cigarette

He poured water over her

He made nasty remarks about her to her face calling her a bitch

He made fun of peoples religions

Yet America loved him? Why?

I still can't figure that one out.. that was the one and only season I stopped watching.. I cancelled my feed mid-season and stopped watching.

But to answer your question.. Viewers were bamboozled by Dick's tension with his daughter.. He saw Danielle as bratty and Dick as a father wanting to reunite with his daughter.

They also HATED Jen and Kail from the jump.. because both acted sort of stuck up..

Dick went against the two people that the public hated the most, so that and the sub-plot with his daughter... helped solidify the public's affection for Dick..

I will NEVER understand it.. I refuse to watch anything with ED involved in it.. I find him disgusting and completely atrocious...

ED said things that were even worse than what Conor said...

He said this:

"I can't wait to feel the bones in your throat crushing through my fingers" and "I'd f--k her so hard in her ass she'd bleed to death" ..and "I'd shove a boot so far up her a$$ -she'd bleed"..

He was the absolute worst winner in the history of BB: USA... the fact that he won, disgusts me to no end..

[summerbunny]

omg he won! that's even worse, didn't know that

[Nine Lives]

They also edited all of his graphic homophobic remarks toward Dustin out of his pots-and-pans rant, turning a really horrifying live feeds morning into a "gosh-shucks-look-at-that-hero-sticking-up-for-his-daughter" moment that the TV audience loved.

I can understand people who liked him from the TV show - it's the people who sat through that on the live feeds and still rooted for him that boggle my mind.

[habanala]

Who cares! BBUSA is 100 % fake so it is irrelevant

[Bacon&Eggs]

Blimey!. Cautioned much?

[Sasparella]

Originally Posted by HughOS

They're both *******. But that type of crude language and vulgar expression is just the vernacular for people our age now. OTT cursing and explicit sexual remarks are par for the course among teens and people in their early 20s. Conor isn't actually going to do anything like that to Deana. He's not going to do anything at all because he's just a big dumb ape who's all talk and trying to impress Arron by being the big man.

Seriously I say worse things about the people I don't like. It's just a way of venting that can be funny and diffuse the tension. I wouldn't expect people in a different generation to get it, it's a result of a lot of the changes in our development with the highly sexualised and violent media. We are normalised to what before would have been described as depravity. Everyone needs to understand that Conor is just a run of the mill ******** and not some pervert or psycho.

Just because it's *the norm for people your age* doesn't make it acceptable to everyone and I'm wondering why you should think that we HAVE to accept it because you want us to. Also, it might be the norm for people your age that YOU hang out with, but it's a bit rich to think that it's the norm for EVERYONE your age because it's not. Yes we get it that you agree with it because you say it (and far worse so you say), however that's just your problem, not everyone elses, if we want to keep some standards then that's up to us, we're not going to fling them aside just because we're told to.

One thing I WILL agree with you on though is that the media are very much to blame for the way young people think that it's an acceptable way to behave these days.

[Amaretto2]

The producer, Alison Grodner, always supports the real nasty male housemats especially when they direct it at women. The public get highly sanitised edits about housemates like Dick.

Can't imagine why...

[Gothic-Dude]

Originally Posted by Amaretto2

The producer, Alison Grodner, always supports the real nasty male housemats especially when they direct it at women. The puvlic get highly sanitised edits about housemates like Dick.

Can't imagine why...

I never hated a person as much as I hate her, she always rigs it for her favourites to get far, the newbies did not have a chance last year with her

[Jennyloo]

Originally Posted by Gothic-Dude

He burnt a girl with a cigarette

He poured water over her

He made nasty remarks about her to her face calling her a bitch

He made fun of peoples religions

Yet America loved him? Why?

You only have to watch American TV shows to see how they revel in violence.
I dont care what anyone says to the contrary but Violence, Offensive language and Negative Sexual content sanitises a young audience to feel its the norm. Young people are very impressional.
25 years go I did a project at college on the effects of the media influencing violent and sexual behaviour. It was wildy regarded then that it had no bearing. Not my project but the influences that are caused by the media. Not everyone will be affected of course but many are I believe.

[capekdeh]

I hate US Big Brother. Something about it is just not right. Trashy & full of callous people. Why evil dick won? I think US BB is truly designed for the lowest of the low in the US society. In the UK, it's quite different (especially when BB was on channel 4). Now BB on channel 5, we tend to get more conformist / mainstream / thugish housemates instead of eccentric housemates.

[Jennyloo]

Originally Posted by capekdeh

I hate US Big Brother. Something about it is just not right. Trashy & full of callous people. Why evil dick won? I think US BB is truly designed for the lowest of the low in the US society. In the UK, it's quite different (especially when BB was on channel 4). Now BB on channel 5, we tend to get more conformist / mainstream / thugish housemates instead of eccentric housemates.

Yes you do but the eccentric ones got a bit tiresome after a while. Unfortunately with programmes Like TOWIE and Geordie Shore it brings in what is deemed popular.

[kimotag]

Originally Posted by sofialady

This goes without saying. Clearlt Evil Dick is worse.

American audience is different to the UK. Someone like ED would not last very long in BBUK.

If he were 20 or so years younger he would. The section of the voters who will forgive a man practically anything if he's 'fit' would save him every time!