[PotNoodleMonkey]

A dog has been howling and barking since friday night, his owner has not been seen as his car is not there. I phone Night Noise team, they say there is 2 dogs, the guy is not there, they don't have the authority to break in.

I phone the RSPCA, they say they will pass on the details to an officer. Today the dog is still howling and barking, I phoned the RSPCA again who get snotty and say, "it's been passed on, now leave it".

Tonight I have phoned 101 Non-emergency police, worried that the dog has been neglected, hasn't had food or water for nearly 3 days, no toilet, maybe the owner is dead, etc, they say "if its been passed on to RSPCA, we don't deal with it, it's nothing to do with us, sorry we can't help you".

Note: I have reported the man who owns the one dog I thought he had for punching it in the face on the 1st occasion, on the 2nd he kicked the dog hard and it squealed in agony. I reported it to the RSPCA who have done bugger all. I'm disgusted with them.

Any other ideas? I think these authorities would have the same attitude if it was a child left there at the property. No wonder Social and Animal Services are in such a ****ed up state with people like this to turn to for help!! It's heartless, lazy, unnecessary behaviour.

[welwynrose]

Have you got a local dog warden check your council website

[tawe]

Originally Posted by PotNoodleMonkey

A dog has been howling and barking since friday night, his owner has not been seen as his car is not there. I phone Night Noise team, they say there is 2 dogs, the guy is not there, they don't have the authority to break in.

I phone the RSPCA, they say they will pass on the details to an officer. Today the dog is still howling and barking, I phoned the RSPCA again who get snotty and say, "it's been passed on, now leave it".

Tonight I have phoned 101 Non-emergency police, worried that the dog has been neglected, hasn't had food or water for nearly 3 days, no toilet, maybe the owner is dead, etc, they say "if its been passed on to RSPCA, we don't deal with it, it's nothing to do with us, sorry we can't help you".

Note: I have reported the man who owns the one dog I thought he had for punching it in the face on the 1st occasion, on the 2nd he kicked the dog hard and it squealed in agony. I reported it to the RSPCA who have done bugger all. I'm disgusted with them.

Any other ideas? I think these authorities would have the same attitude if it was a child left there at the property. No wonder Social and Animal Services are in such a ****ed up state with people like this to turn to for help!! It's heartless, lazy, unnecessary behaviour.

I had the same thing happen with a house opposite me at Xmas they went away and left 2 alasken malumte dogs in the house for 4 days we saw the dogs jumping up in the window so I rang the RSPCA they asked me how long dogs been there and just said they would pass on the details same as what they told you and they would get back to me.. I heard nothing from them The owners came home after 4 days I rang the RSPCA Back to find out what was being done and they told me an officer would be calling `advising ` them on how to care for the dogs , what a bloody joke , I was looking out for the rspca van to visit as its right opposite and I never saw them turn up.. They are total waste of space . Thank god the people moved out but if I was in same position again I would contact my local paper and shame the owners of the dogs and the RSPCA for not acting on the information provided , you could give this a try maybe its what the RSPCA needs is a wake up call

[Swinetown]

Originally Posted by PotNoodleMonkey

A dog has been howling and barking since friday night, his owner has not been seen as his car is not there. I phone Night Noise team, they say there is 2 dogs, the guy is not there, they don't have the authority to break in.

I phone the RSPCA, they say they will pass on the details to an officer. Today the dog is still howling and barking, I phoned the RSPCA again who get snotty and say, "it's been passed on, now leave it".

Tonight I have phoned 101 Non-emergency police, worried that the dog has been neglected, hasn't had food or water for nearly 3 days, no toilet, maybe the owner is dead, etc, they say "if its been passed on to RSPCA, we don't deal with it, it's nothing to do with us, sorry we can't help you".

Note: I have reported the man who owns the one dog I thought he had for punching it in the face on the 1st occasion, on the 2nd he kicked the dog hard and it squealed in agony. I reported it to the RSPCA who have done bugger all. I'm disgusted with them.

Any other ideas? I think these authorities would have the same attitude if it was a child left there at the property. No wonder Social and Animal Services are in such a ****ed up state with people like this to turn to for help!! It's heartless, lazy, unnecessary behaviour.

Hi, maybe phone the dog warden services at the council tomorrow, they might have some sway with RSPCA and some action MAY be taken, I am sorry there is nothing else i can suggest.

I hope it all turns out OK, at best the dog will be taken away to a pound.

The dog is in a house? enclosed property?

Added to this...is it worth getting in contact with local dog rescues when it is a reasonable time? they may contact the authorities themselves and give them a push....they may also be snappy, you just never know, but really it doesn't matter their attitude, you have nothing to lose.

[PotNoodleMonkey]

Thanks Guys,

I've phoned the Dog Warden - No answer at all, probably have better things to do like sip Martini's in the office and play Solitaire on the pc. Which no doubt in my mind is what the RSPCA get up to. I have emailed a letter to my housing officer and I hope to god she reads it first thing. Will give her a ring in the morning a half hour after their office opens. The poor little things are whining their hearts out as I type. The window is open. I wish to god I had a ladder (that's if they would let me in!) because anyone could get through it. I'd bring them home and look after them. The guy who lives there is an ugly, nasty piece of work. Wouldn't be surprised if he's a drug dealer. He seems to afford some nice things on a state benefit. Also, the fact he punches his dog in the face says a lot about him as a person, but, it says more about the RSPCA after I reported him twice and they did NOTHING!

[Swinetown]

Originally Posted by PotNoodleMonkey

Thanks Guys,

I've phoned the Dog Warden - No answer at all, probably have better things to do like sip Martini's in the office and play Solitaire on the pc. Which no doubt in my mind is what the RSPCA get up to. I have emailed a letter to my housing officer and I hope to god she reads it first thing. Will give her a ring in the morning a half hour after their office opens. The poor little things are whining their hearts out as I type. The window is open. I wish to god I had a ladder (that's if they would let me in!) because anyone could get through it. I'd bring them home and look after them. The guy who lives there is an ugly, nasty piece of work. Wouldn't be surprised if he's a drug dealer. He seems to afford some nice things on a state benefit. Also, the fact he punches his dog in the face says a lot about him as a person, but, it says more about the RSPCA after I reported him twice and they did NOTHING!

I meant Monday morning office hours, 9am, council times

[evolution202]

Originally Posted by PotNoodleMonkey

Thanks Guys,

I've phoned the Dog Warden - No answer at all, probably have better things to do like sip Martini's in the office and play Solitaire on the pc. Which no doubt in my mind is what the RSPCA get up to. I have emailed a letter to my housing officer and I hope to god she reads it first thing. Will give her a ring in the morning a half hour after their office opens. The poor little things are whining their hearts out as I type. The window is open. I wish to god I had a ladder (that's if they would let me in!) because anyone could get through it. I'd bring them home and look after them. The guy who lives there is an ugly, nasty piece of work. Wouldn't be surprised if he's a drug dealer. He seems to afford some nice things on a state benefit. Also, the fact he punches his dog in the face says a lot about him as a person, but, it says more about the RSPCA after I reported him twice and they did NOTHING!

I think this post says a lot about YOU as a person.

[MarellaK]

Originally Posted by evolution202

I think this post says a lot about YOU as a person.

I hope you're not being negative about the OP.

To me the OP comes across as someone who is concerned about the welfare of those poor dogs and it can't have been nice to have spent what should have been a peaceful weekend listening to incessant barking and whining. It must also have been so frustrating dealing with the 'authorities' who just don't seem to care.... I hear so many stories about the RSPCA's failure to act (unless there is a TV crew following them )

I agree the post may be rather judgemental on the character of the dogs' owner (and the implication that the people responsible for animal welfare are uncaring and lazy) but there is no denying that the owner was irresponsible in leaving those poor dogs alone.

We need neighbours who are caring and considerate of animals' welfare. One of my own cats ended up in Cats Protection when she was a tiny kitten because neighbours were concerned that her original owners were not caring for her properly. She wasn't being abused but she was being neglected and left outside, in winter, at just 8-12 weeks old, to fend for herself. We need good neighbours who are prepared to do something and not just 'turn the other cheek'.

[galaxy99]

Originally Posted by PotNoodleMonkey

Thanks Guys,

I've phoned the Dog Warden - No answer at all, probably have better things to do like sip Martini's in the office and play Solitaire on the pc. Which no doubt in my mind is what the RSPCA get up to. I have emailed a letter to my housing officer and I hope to god she reads it first thing. Will give her a ring in the morning a half hour after their office opens. The poor little things are whining their hearts out as I type. The window is open. I wish to god I had a ladder (that's if they would let me in!) because anyone could get through it. I'd bring them home and look after them. The guy who lives there is an ugly, nasty piece of work. Wouldn't be surprised if he's a drug dealer. He seems to afford some nice things on a state benefit. Also, the fact he punches his dog in the face says a lot about him as a person, but, it says more about the RSPCA after I reported him twice and they did NOTHING!

please get the dogs away from him, he sounds like a monster, this is why I stopped giving money to the RSPCA, they are good at the heart wrenching adverts looking for donations but when it comes to doing something they are useless. I reported a skinny dog before and instead of going to look at the dog she asked me to give a description over the phone, apparently the spine had to be visible.
those poor dogs, you are a good, caring person, keep us updated

[Snozzcumber]

Tell them you're recording the howling of the dogs and your telephone calls to them, and will be happy to go public with their terrible handling of the case.

The threat of being publicly castigated for their ineptitude will get their arses in gear.

[galaxy99]

Originally Posted by MarellaK

I hope you're not being negative about the OP.

To me the OP comes across as someone who is concerned about the welfare of those poor dogs and it can't have been nice to have spent what should have been a peaceful weekend listening to incessant barking and whining. It must also have been so frustrating dealing with the 'authorities' who just don't seem to care.... I hear so many stories about the RSPCA's failure to act (unless there is a TV crew following them )

I agree the post may be rather judgemental on the character of the dogs' owner (and the implication that the people responsible for animal welfare are uncaring and lazy) but there is no denying that the owner was irresponsible in leaving those poor dogs alone.

We need neighbours who are caring and considerate of animals' welfare. One of my own cats ended up in Cats Protection when she was a tiny kitten because neighbours were concerned that her original owners were not caring for her properly. She wasn't being abused but she was being neglected and left outside, in winter, at just 8-12 weeks old, to fend for herself. We need good neighbours who are prepared to do something and not just 'turn the other cheek'.

I couldn't agree more, they like to be caring on tv and seem to be doing things out in the field but when you report some poor animal getting abused they are not interested.It takes the general public to do something, for the animals sake.I honestly can say if i seen someone punching a dog in the face i would probably end up in court for assault myself.

Originally Posted by Snozzcumber

Tell them you're recording the howling of the dogs and your telephone calls to them, and will be happy to go public with their terrible handling of the case.

The threat of being publicly castigated for their ineptitude will get their arses in gear.

This to me would be the best thing as they hate any negative publicity if it means the money stops being donated

[tawe]

Originally Posted by Snozzcumber

Tell them you're recording the howling of the dogs and your telephone calls to them, and will be happy to go public with their terrible handling of the case.

The threat of being publicly castigated for their ineptitude will get their arses in gear.

That's what I mean about getting local paper on the case , splash it all over paper then it could even get picked up by the national papers that will show the RSPCA Up for being such a useless money grabbibg organisation , I have heard that 93% of money RSPCA get in donations is spent on administration

[PotNoodleMonkey]

Thanks for the replies guys

Evolution202 - yes, thanks for the constructive advice in what to do in this situation. It was most appreciated. NOT. (oh, there I go, being all judgmental again, what will become of me? )

tawe - I think this 93% rate is the standard that goes on to all admin departments within most charities. I withdrew my money from the WWF when I read a legitimate quote that came right out of the Duke of Edinburgh's mouth (I believe he helped found the WWF) and it was along the lines of 'what better way to get money out of the stupid people than show a fluffy little animal in a state of despair.' End of donations. My brother was donating to the RSPCA and when he recently saw the news about the horrific way the workers were causing huge amount of pain to the pigs in the abattoir's and that none of the workers were sacked and that the RSPCA were 'working with them to sort the problem out' he phoned them. He demanded to know why on earth he was donating money to them when this was the best the could come up with. So he has stopped donating.

galaxy99: It's tempting to react that way and in an ideal world I probably would, but here where I live, i'm female, i live alone, and it's pretty rough as is the guy and his mates. So I don't get involved openly. I'm hoping that trying to get the situation sorted out for the dogs' welfare without him knowing its me, is the best way to go. And I wouldn't give an aggressive person the satisfaction to focus on what he would deem as my being a 'busy-body'. No animal should be treated the way some of the dogs on this estate are treated by their owners, the very people who should love and care for them. If that makes me judgmental, i'm proud of it.

Update: I phoned the housing officer first thing in the morning and she said she would go and check. Apparently there has been a problem with No.49 because he apparently has 4 dogs in his 1 bedroom flat and has been warned to get rid of 2, so it may be him. There have been complaints about him before, but I've never heard dogs howl and bark until Friday night came round and I've been here since Sep last year.

But there is also a problem with no.45 (he is the one who has punched and attacked his dog in the street. Unfortunately I was so judgmental towards his behaviour I had to phone the RSPCA. I do appologize. However, unfortunately for the dog nothing came of it.) The Night Noise team had checked on No.45's property Sat night when all the howling and barking was taking place and said there was 2 dogs, so maybe they were aware the noise was coming from there?

I got in yesterday afternoon and the howling was still going on. Even some of the neighbours were overheard, 'Have you heard that?!' So he can be heard loud and clear on the block which is also very close to the Housing office. I just don't know what is being done about it. I've informed all the people I can think of. I think the housing team are more likely to do something about it, whereas the Night Noise Team can't, and the RSPCA and non-emergency police won't.

[PotNoodleMonkey]

Speaking of the RSPCA, this is an interesting read, don't know if I could open another thread with this person's blog:

http://rspcainjustice.blogspot.co.uk...eir-backs.html

Shocking

[evolution202]

Originally Posted by PotNoodleMonkey

Thanks for the replies guys

Evolution202 - yes, thanks for the constructive advice in what to do in this situation. It was most appreciated. NOT. (oh, there I go, being all judgmental again, what will become of me? )

I apologise. Unfortunately, I've seen both sides of stories like this. There are obviously some underlying issues between you and the neighbour, and before this incident with the animals, you obviously already had an opinion of him (drugs, benefits etc).

What I've seen in the past is neighbours using pet disputes as a way of 'getting to' the other neighbour.

Fair enough if your only concern is for the animal, but the fact he may be on benefits yet seems able to afford 'nice things' shouldn't come into it at all.

It just comes across as bitter, and people may think you're only using the pet issues because you don't like the neighbour, for the reasons you've already stated.

[Tt88]

Op you say in your first post that the non emergency police wont do anything because you have told the rspca. Are you able to get a friend to also call reporting the same thing so they think that there must be a problem as they are getting calls from other people?

I think you need to try and record the noise as evidence and keep an eye out fpr anybody going in or out of the house.

Sorry if i missed it but do you happen to know the breed of the dogs?

[curmy]

Originally Posted by PotNoodleMonkey

Thanks for the replies guys

Evolution202 - yes, thanks for the constructive advice in what to do in this situation. It was most appreciated. NOT. (oh, there I go, being all judgmental again, what will become of me? )

tawe - I think this 93% rate is the standard that goes on to all admin departments within most charities. I withdrew my money from the WWF when I read a legitimate quote that came right out of the Duke of Edinburgh's mouth (I believe he helped found the WWF) and it was along the lines of 'what better way to get money out of the stupid people than show a fluffy little animal in a state of despair.' End of donations. My brother was donating to the RSPCA and when he recently saw the news about the horrific way the workers were causing huge amount of pain to the pigs in the abattoir's and that none of the workers were sacked and that the RSPCA were 'working with them to sort the problem out' he phoned them. He demanded to know why on earth he was donating money to them when this was the best the could come up with. So he has stopped donating.

galaxy99: It's tempting to react that way and in an ideal world I probably would, but here where I live, i'm female, i live alone, and it's pretty rough as is the guy and his mates. So I don't get involved openly. I'm hoping that trying to get the situation sorted out for the dogs' welfare without him knowing its me, is the best way to go. And I wouldn't give an aggressive person the satisfaction to focus on what he would deem as my being a 'busy-body'. No animal should be treated the way some of the dogs on this estate are treated by their owners, the very people who should love and care for them. If that makes me judgmental, i'm proud of it.

Update: I phoned the housing officer first thing in the morning and she said she would go and check. Apparently there has been a problem with No.49 because he apparently has 4 dogs in his 1 bedroom flat and has been warned to get rid of 2, so it may be him. There have been complaints about him before, but I've never heard dogs howl and bark until Friday night came round and I've been here since Sep last year.

But there is also a problem with no.45 (he is the one who has punched and attacked his dog in the street. Unfortunately I was so judgmental towards his behaviour I had to phone the RSPCA. I do appologize. However, unfortunately for the dog nothing came of it.) The Night Noise team had checked on No.45's property Sat night when all the howling and barking was taking place and said there was 2 dogs, so maybe they were aware the noise was coming from there?

I got in yesterday afternoon and the howling was still going on. Even some of the neighbours were overheard, 'Have you heard that?!' So he can be heard loud and clear on the block which is also very close to the Housing office. I just don't know what is being done about it. I've informed all the people I can think of. I think the housing team are more likely to do something about it, whereas the Night Noise Team can't, and the RSPCA and non-emergency police won't.

What a frustrating situation for you , I think you're right, keep contacting the housing team if nothing is done about it in the next 24 hours,

[sarahj1986]

OP I do feel for you. I dont understand how anybody can leave a dog for days on its own, dog thing needs exercise, love and fresh food. I do hope its sorted soon

[modeyink]

This is horrible. It must be awful for you to just sit there and listen to those dogs in pain (because surely they must be by now, with no food) and not be able to do a thing about it. Those poor dogs. They need to go out to the bathroom, they need food and water, they need to stretch their legs. I can't even imagine. :-( I've just had to give my own dog a cuddle.

I hope someone does something soon. Please keep us updated, OP.

ETA: Also it's highly possible the owner has been gone since before Friday as a dog generally won't start barking and howling in earnest until it's in proper distress -- ie. left alone for a couple of days. :-( :-(

[Tt88]

Originally Posted by modeyink

This is horrible. It must be awful for you to just sit there and listen to those dogs in pain (because surely they must be by now, with no food) and not be able to do a thing about it. Those poor dogs. They need to go out to the bathroom, they need food and water, they need to stretch their legs. I can't even imagine. :-( I've just had to give my own dog a cuddle.

I hope someone does something soon. Please keep us updated, OP.

ETA: Also it's highly possible the owner has been gone since before Friday as a dog generally won't start barking and howling in earnest until it's in proper distress -- ie. left alone for a couple of days. :-( :-(

I feel the same as you, especially since my dog was found abandoned and underweight after his old owners threw him out. I know if mine is left alone for even a short time he gets worried and wets himself so i can only imagine what these poor dogs are living in if they have been left since friday.

I hope they can get a second chance at a good life with someone who knows how to look after them.

[Chunky-Kitkat]

OP, - can you provide an update please? I'm hoping there's a happy ending .... have been worrying about the situation. Glad there are people like you who'll do their best to help in such situations.

[bazaar1]

The dog warden is your best best. Keep calling him - the RSPCA are a charity and are no powered entry so even at best they'd come and listen, the. Come back and listen again, then decide wether to call the police to break in or not. Frustrating for all involved.

The dog warden will be by far the best contact.

Personally I'd be accidentally falling on the door and breaking them out.....

[DaisyBumbleroot]

Do the RSPCA have the authority to break in though? They may have their hands tied?

[TheSword]

I've noticed a lot of stuff about the RSPCA's inaction recently, why is this? Are they becoming useless and tied up in bureaucracy and rules and stuff?

Is it better to get in touch with your local council, or does the same apply?

[bazaar1]

Originally Posted by TheSword

I've noticed a lot of stuff about the RSPCA's inaction recently, why is this? Are they becoming useless and tied up in bureaucracy and rules and stuff?

Is it better to get in touch with your local council, or does the same apply?

They are just understaffed and over worked, and so tend to 'pick and choose' wher and how they respond. Inspectors do their best, but unfortunately the charity has lost it's way so to speak, with far too much red tape in the higher ranks. It's a shame because most people join the RSPCA to help animals then find they can't because of rules and regulations.

Originally Posted by DaisyBumbleroot

Do the RSPCA have the authority to break in though? They may have their hands tied?

No they don't, they are just a charity - same as nspcc don't have the power to enter and take a child.