[Keiō Line]

Originally Posted by Bellagio

Not sure where all the 'child' stuff originates - it's an open secret in the music bizz that JS liked underage girls, but that's far from being the darkest secret about him, which has been heavily hinted at several times here.

All these girls, all these people who knew. You would think there would be lots of evidence.

[dorydaryl]

After weighing it all up, I've come to the conclusion that JS was a bit too keen on the younger girls when he was a younger man himself but settled down as he grew older, liking to keep some things private. I believe he was an egotist and a showman but someone who did have good intentions. I really can't find anything to support some of the accusations about his alleged 'fixer' role (and allegations of paedophilic tendencies). Nor do I believe he hung around mortuaries for very specific reasons. Much of that will be hokum and conjecture. He was no angel. I do think that he may have had dalliances with underage teens back in the day (because of what my mum told me) but these will be middle aged and elderly women now who probably feel they have little to gain by going public about it simply because they have moved on and don't see any benefit in raking it up. I don't think it gets much worse than that. He did a lot of positive things with his life. Never really warmed to the man personlly but do believe much of what has been implied about him IS actually rubbish. I wasn't as convinced when these rumours were circulating before he died. Thought they might be something in them. Now, I can't see why there would be any reason for them to be covered up, unless some very high level (and still living) people were in league with him for their own personal gain.

[soundstory]

Originally Posted by MissCulture

Why do people think such nonsense about the McCanns?

exactly, gossip, gossip

[soundstory]

Originally Posted by johartuk

Another article about the woman claiming to be JS's daughter:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...t-charity.html

I fail to see whether it's true or not, how this contributes to Jimmy Saville's "Dark Side"

[MissCulture]

It would be cruel for that woman to turn out to be NOT his daughter - imagine looking like Jimmy Saville by accident....

[dorydaryl]

Originally Posted by soundstory

I fail to see whether it's true or not, how this contributes to Jimmy Saville's "Dark Side"

No, but the way things are going with all the rumours I won't be surprised if it's reported as 'fact' that he had a homosexual affair with Darth Vader, including orgies with stormtroopers and kept an underage Princess Leia as a sex slave.

[Keiō Line]

Originally Posted by dorydaryl

No, but the way things are going with all the rumours I won't be surprised if it's reported as 'fact' that he had a homosexual affair with Darth Vader, including orgies with stormtroopers and kept an underage Princess Leia as a sex slave.

,,,,,and when the question of "evidence" is raised, the replies on here will be "no smoke without fire ", and "my mum says that when she was a girl the local vicar told all of the Sunday School said that 'everyone knew that JS liked having sex with ewoks'".

[Glenn A]

This is just malice. If Colleen Nolan was being interfered with during TOTP, she should have made a complaint to the BBC at the time rather than waiting 33 years. Maybe is it because her music career is so washed up that she's trying to get a name for herself by rubbishing a dead man who was loved by millions.

[dorydaryl]

Originally Posted by Glenn A

This is just malice. If Colleen Nolan was being interfered with during TOTP, she should have made a complaint to the BBC at the time rather than waiting 33 years. Maybe is it because her music career is so washed up that she's trying to get a name for herself by rubbishing a dead man who was loved by millions.

To be fair to her, this story came out well before JS died, not afterwards. It's just been circulated again since his passing.
Again, I think JS probably did have a thing for teenage girls at some point in his life (some perhaps just under the 'legal' age- I do believe what my mum knows about him and her classmate) but on balance I don't believe a lot of the other crap that has been attributed to him.

[laurielou]

Originally Posted by Glenn A

This is just malice. If Colleen Nolan was being interfered with during TOTP, she should have made a complaint to the BBC at the time rather than waiting 33 years. Maybe is it because her music career is so washed up that she's trying to get a name for herself by rubbishing a dead man who was loved by millions.

Well, watching it, I feel uncomfortable. Very. Because she, a young girl then, quite clearly is. But then, he always gave me the creeps, underage girls or no. I think it was all the handkissing...

So I don't think she's "rubbishing" him really (or not quite as much as people seem to feel the need to rubbish her ).

[Geneve]

YES because all victims of harassment etc come forward... shake your head seriously just because she couldn't face it back then doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[Glenn A]

Originally Posted by laurielou

Well, watching it, I feel uncomfortable. Very. Because she, a young girl then, quite clearly is. But then, he always gave me the creeps, underage girls or no. I think it was all the handkissing...

So I don't think she's "rubbishing" him really (or not quite as much as people seem to feel the need to rubbish her ).

Well if anything untoward was happening, surely the older Nolans could have stepped in and gone to the producer and the police. I just think it's malice.

[Uncle Quentin]

Originally Posted by MissCulture

It would be cruel for that woman to turn out to be NOT his daughter - imagine looking like Jimmy Saville by accident....

[laurielou]

Originally Posted by Glenn A

Well if anything untoward was happening, surely the older Nolans could have stepped in and gone to the producer and the police. I just think it's malice.

You didn't go to the police in those days! It was the seventies!

Anyway, you wouldn't really go to the police for 'creepy man being a bit gropey' on TV, especially not then. They may well have said something to the producer. I can't remember details of what was originally reported about it, but there was def something about the older Nolans being ready to smack him one - or something.

PS - Glenn A - am assuming, having not been teenage girl, you don't have much experience of being perved on by older men in that manner. I may of course be wrong

[Essex Angel*]

There appears to be some doubt about Georgina Ray's claim regarding Jimmy being her father. Unfortunately the only source at present is the Sun.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-daughter.html

[Keiō Line]

Thanks for the update.

Was hoping that at last we had some of this much promised evidence of the "dark side".

See you all on the 29th of October!!

[dorydaryl]

Originally Posted by Essex Angel*

There appears to be some doubt about Georgina Ray's claim regarding Jimmy being her father. Unfortunately the only source at present is the Sun.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-daughter.html

Now then, now then. 'Ows about that?

[Glenn A]

Originally Posted by laurielou

You didn't go to the police in those days! It was the seventies!

Anyway, you wouldn't really go to the police for 'creepy man being a bit gropey' on TV, especially not then. They may well have said something to the producer. I can't remember details of what was originally reported about it, but there was def something about the older Nolans being ready to smack him one - or something.

PS - Glenn A - am assuming, having not been teenage girl, you don't have much experience of being perved on by older men in that manner. I may of course be wrong

I'm a man so have no experience of this, but as Savile is dead and all this is hearsay, we'll never know the truth.

[Geneve]

I personally wouldn't have trusted his estate or family to produce proper samples.

[AwesomeGeorge]

Originally Posted by MissCulture

It would be cruel for that woman to turn out to be NOT his daughter - imagine looking like Jimmy Saville by accident....

Poor woman. And now it looks like it is just misfortune and Sir Jimmy is not the daddy. Bye bye million pound inheritance.

I'm pretty sure that most women of a certain age, if they dyed their hair peroxide blonde and had it cut and styled in a Saville bob, would all bear a remarkable resemblance to the great man.

[dorydaryl]

Originally Posted by AwesomeGeorge

Poor woman. And now it looks like it is just misfortune and Sir Jimmy is not the daddy. Bye bye million pound inheritance.

I'm pretty sure that most women of a certain age, if they dyed their hair peroxide blonde and had it cut and styled in a Saville bob, would all bear a remarkable resemblance to the great man.

Yeah that was a bit conspicuous...bit of 'overkill', perhaps.

[PlausibleDenial]

Wel the 'victims' are finally coming forward for a documentary as reported in the newspapers today.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Seventies.html
Documentary claims Jimmy Savile sexually abused teenage girls, including one aged 13, during the Seventies
By CHRIS HASTINGS
PUBLISHED: 00:12, 5 August 2012 | UPDATED: 00:12, 5 August 2012
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Predatory: Jimmy Savile allegedly abused teenage girls in the Seventies
A new television documentary will claim Sir Jimmy Savile sexually abused teenage girls while at the height of his fame in the Seventies.
The programme, based on research by a former Surrey police officer, includes interviews with women, now in their 40s and 50s, who will claim they were subjected to abuse by the veteran presenter.
The documentary is being developed by ITV Studios, which also produces shows for rival broadcasters. Senior sources at ITV say they have made no decision on whether to broadcast the film – which one programme insider said would ‘shock the nation’.
The alleged victims have been tracked down by Mark Williams-Thomas, a former detective constable with Surrey Police who is now a successful TV presenter specialising in child protection issues.
The insider said some of the women, one of whom was just 13 at the time of the alleged abuse, were terrified of Savile for decades afterwards.
He said: ‘Jimmy Savile was predatory in that he used his hit shows as a vehicle to get to those young girls.
‘All of those who have been interviewed for the documentary were under the age of consent at the time of the abuse. The youngest one was just 13 years old.’
The insider said the documentary also included testimony from people who worked with the Jim’ll Fix It star, while a production source says at least one of the women taking part has waived her right to anonymity so she can talk openly about the abuse.
It is still uncertain if any broadcaster will buy the rights or screen the show.
Mr Williams-Thomas has collaborated with the commercial broadcaster on several recent productions. In 2009, he fronted the acclaimed documentary, To Catch A Paedophile, which involved him confronting a former Catholic priest who admitted on camera to trying to groom a child over the internet.

Jimmy Savile became a national treasure following his stint on Top of the Pops and spent much of his life raising money for charity
Savile, who never married, raised millions of pounds for charity during his lifetime and the allegations will shock his huge army of fans. But it is not the first time Savile, who also fronted the Clunk Click road safety campaign, has been linked to allegations of child sex abuse.

Former detective Mark Williams-Thomas said he has interviewed women who say Savile sexually abused them
In 2007, Surrey Police launched an investigation after complaints that the star had abused pupils at the now-defunct Duncroft Approved School for Girls in the Seventies.
Savile was a regular visitor to the school and is alleged to have taken girls on visits to BBC Television Centre in return for sexual favours. He is also alleged to have made advances on them while taking them for drives in the countryside.
The police investigation was dropped after a Crown Prosecution Service lawyer who was reviewing the investigation advised that no further action be taken.
In January, it emerged that BBC2’s Newsnight programme had launched its own investigation into the same allegations, shortly after the star’s death at the age of 84 in October 2011.
Reporters from the flagship news show are believed to have interviewed three former pupils from the school.
One woman is said to have waived her right to anonymity so she could talk about her ordeal on Newsnight. A subsequent decision by the BBC not to broadcast the report led to allegations of a cover-up, but a spokesman insisted the story was dropped for editorial reasons.
A spokesman for Surrey Police said: ‘In 2007, Surrey Police received a historic allegation of indecent assault which is alleged to have occurred at a children’s home in Staines during the Seventies.
‘The allegation was investigated by police but no further action was taken against any individual.’

And The Sun are out and out calling him a Pedophille

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cumentary.html
Sir Jimmy Savile to be accused of being a paedophile in new documentary
Under-age girls claim they were groomed and abused by late star

SIR Jimmy Savile is to be accused of being a paedophile in a shocking documentary.
The programme claims the late telly legend abused his position to find young girls while he hosted shows including Top Of The Pops and Jim’ll Fix It. He was also well-known for the long-running road safety ad Clunk Click.

Several alleged victims speak out in the documentary, claiming Savile abused them when they were under-age.

The show will also claim the DJ, who died in October last year, groomed young girls as he travelled the country for his charity work.

The allegations will reportedly be screened on prime-time ITV before the first anniversary of his death on October 29.

Criminologist and child protection expert Mark Williams-Thomas will present the show after carrying out a long investigation into Savile's past.

A source told a Sunday newspaper: "There have been rumours speculating for years about Sir Jimmy from his days on television.

"But up until now, nobody has got any victims to speak out."

The source added that victims and witnesses give "detailed accounts of grooming, followed in time by assaults".

Sir Jimmy was a larger than life television star famous for his catchphrase "Now then, now then", smoking cigars and running marathons for good causes.

He never married and died at home in Leeds just before his 85th birthday.

Last month an auction of his belongings raised £320,000 for charity.

[Retrospective]

Bill Wyman of the rolling stones was sleeping with Mandy smith and she was thirteen at the time and no one ever called Bill Wyman a paedo.

[Saltydog1955]

Originally Posted by Retrospective

Bill Wyman of the rolling stones was sleeping with Mandy smith and she was thirteen at the time and no one ever called Bill Wyman a paedo.

Mandy says 14 when he first slept with her, but also says if it had happened now, Wyman would have been jailed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...-life-God.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...duced-her.html

And yes, he was a paedophile - no other way to put it..

[zx50]

Originally Posted by Saltydog1955

Mandy says 14 when he first slept with her, but also says if it had happened now, Wyman would have been jailed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...-life-God.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...duced-her.html

And yes, he was a paedophile - no other way to put it..

Paedophilia is when an adult has sexual contact with someone who's under 13.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophi...nd_definitions