[OnDatKryptonite]

Originally Posted by Softie-Cynic

Far Too annoying, contrived and unrealistic all through this series.
just off the top of my head:

Man walks into nursery school play, gets access to where the kids are and then just calmly walks off with dexters child even though both dexter and the nanny are there too, then gains access to the roof of a building where Miami police had room for just the one cop- hmmmm.

Dexter could not get a tall and heavy doomsday killer down from that building and into the boot of his car in broad daylight with no one noticing, oh and his son was with him as well.

Why would Doomsday kill his sister pretty easily but struggle badly with supposed mental conflict dealing with a random woman he pulled in a restaurant because he 'liked' her, it made no sense.

Quinn is an idiot every episode due to him being hung up on Debra splitting with him? This guy can pull all manner of hot looking chicks and yet is THAT depressed over a very brief relationship?

Dexter manged to destroy the face on the painting before anyone else from his colleagues entered the house?

The brother Sam arc , what the hell was that supposed to be. Poorly paced and delivered and unconvincing when dexters behaviour never really changed.

Debra loves dexter in a sexual way, this staggeringly deduced by a counsellor who has met Debra a few times only and never met dexter who is Debra's only real family. Why wouldn't she expect and desire for her only family member to be a close support for her or close to her emotionally?

Lots of other annoying stuff Im sure too.
Series 6 is not a patch on series 1 or the trinity plot. The last episode of the latter remains the most emotionally overwhelming moment I have ever experienced watching tv (Rita's death), the big reveal this series felt nowhere near that.

Rant over. Can't wait for series 7 now

Season 4 was the high point. Now it's the long way down from that point we are observing.

Dexter becoming "the master" after he learned from his mistakes with Trinity never came to pass even though the previews hyped that aspect up.

Instead we got Lumen and her issues and a good performance from Johnny Lee Miller but a nonsensical sadist cult/club angle that barely made sense when you go from point B back to point A and unravel the nonsense. That Dexter has let the two people that know he's a killer remain alive, Trinity's son and Lumen, is utterly ridiculous given that he was willing to kill Doakes for far less extreme actions because he was actually doing his job and in light of the failed partnership with Miguel. He should have learned from seasons 2 and 3 that partners are not a good idea and he should have learned from showing Trinity and Lila mercy not to let any killer walk away after he lost track of Trinity long enough for his wife to be killed, Harrison to be left damaged like him and Cody and Astor to be locked in a burning building with him. However no, instead he decides not to tighten up his act back to the standards he had in season 1 and instead now has three people that can all point him out as a serial killer as well as being able to identify his actual kills. What a stupid series of events that have reduced Dexter from accomplished routine serial killer to sloppy, easily identifiable moron with more compassion than common sense.

[ep1987]

The problem with Dexter:

The show has become increasingly unbelievable. Dexter has become more careless to the point that it is incredible that he hasn't been caught. Many plot progressions now require suspending reality* and others are extremely contrived.

Also it makes no sense to foreshadow an event (Debra seeing Dexter kill) only to telegraph its occurrence via a forced plot device.**

Finally i see no reason to abandon the psychological drama to ensure that the show climaxes as a perfunctory and hollow action 'thriller'. Every season has suffered the same descent into implausibilty laced with ultimate predictability (that Dexter will win).

Seasons three and four both suffered terrible pacing issues, but the middle part of the latter was undoubtedly the show's zenith (specifically the shut up c*nt moment). It would soon deflate with Arthur capturing the boy (was too obvious he would be saved by Dexter) followed by the obligatory mad chase.

One of the better TV shows (with a brilliant,original and daring premise) has ultimately beome too formulaic and self-conscious.

* From Season 5: The replacing of the disc and the staged bdsm crime scene.

** Revisiting the crime scene. Nobody else seeing the mural was even more artificial.

[MrSuper]

They've certainly got an interesting cast for Season 7 of Dexter.

British actor Ray Stevenson, Yvonne Strahovski from Chuck, Jason Gedrick from Luck and even Calista Flockhark aka Ally McBeal makes a one-off appearance.

[brangdon]

Originally Posted by Softie-Cynic

Why would Doomsday kill his sister pretty easily but struggle badly with supposed mental conflict dealing with a random woman he pulled in a restaurant because he 'liked' her, it made no sense.

That was partly because of Dexter. It was the first time he'd been challenged by someone who knew what he was doing. Until then he'd been effectively isolated and going further and further off the rails without any reality check.

Quinn is an idiot every episode due to him being hung up on Debra splitting with him? This guy can pull all manner of hot looking chicks and yet is THAT depressed over a very brief relationship?

They were going out for a year or so. It wasn't that brief. And it ended badly, with her laughing at his proposal and then dumping him to accept the promotion.

Dexter manged to destroy the face on the painting before anyone else from his colleagues entered the house?

Yeah, this one really bothered me. We've seen countless crime scenes before, and they never wait for Dexter. They should at least search the house to make sure there are no more victims left alive and in need of urgent medical attention. The writing was so clumsy. In a finale, it ought to be so much better.

Originally Posted by OnDatKryptonite

That Dexter has let the two people that know he's a killer remain alive, Trinity's son and Lumen, is utterly ridiculous given that he was willing to kill Doakes for far less extreme actions

Dexter didn't kill Doakes. He could have done, but didn't. If he had, it would be because Doakes would have exposed him. Neither Lumen nor Trinity's son would have done that. They were no danger to him. Perhaps more important, neither were "bad guys", both were victims, so Harry's Code would not let him kill them.

Recall Dexter is not a sadist. He doesn't kill for fun, and Harry's Code discourages him from killing for personal reasons, or people who are close to him.

He should have learned from seasons 2 and 3 that partners are not a good idea

But Lumen was a good idea. She was the first and only person to understand who he was and accept him for it. What he had with her was more real, more valuable to him, than what he had with Rita.

Originally Posted by NinjyBear

So the questions is...why would Dexter kill Travis in a place where people would know he'd be???

Dexter isn't a normal serial killer. His compulsion to kill is like a form of OCD. It comes with rituals; if the kill isn't carried out according to his Dark Passenger's needs, it doesn't bring him relief. In Travis' case, the ritual required the church.

[MrSuper]

Teaser for Season 7 of Dexter. Will pick up exactly where S6 ended.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OLyJ...layer_embedded

[MrSuper]

Confirmed: Season 8 will be the last

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s64...show-exec.html

[NinjyBear]

Originally Posted by brangdon

Dexter isn't a normal serial killer. His compulsion to kill is like a form of OCD. It comes with rituals; if the kill isn't carried out according to his Dark Passenger's needs, it doesn't bring him relief. In Travis' case, the ritual required the church.

First rule of the code - don't get caught. Killing Travis in the church where people knew he'd be - at the time they'd know he'd be there - was just incredibly stupid. There's no logical reason for it.

[tiger2000]

Originally Posted by MrSuper

Confirmed: Season 8 will be the last

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s64...show-exec.html

Probably best to end with the show still at the top.

More on the final two seasons in the link below.

[Warning: Contains Major Spoilers]

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Dexter-S...n-1049195.aspx

[OnDatKryptonite]

Originally Posted by brangdon

That was partly because of Dexter. It was the first time he'd been challenged by someone who knew what he was doing. Until then he'd been effectively isolated and going further and further off the rails without any reality check.

They were going out for a year or so. It wasn't that brief. And it ended badly, with her laughing at his proposal and then dumping him to accept the promotion.

Yeah, this one really bothered me. We've seen countless crime scenes before, and they never wait for Dexter. They should at least search the house to make sure there are no more victims left alive and in need of urgent medical attention. The writing was so clumsy. In a finale, it ought to be so much better.

Dexter didn't kill Doakes. He could have done, but didn't. If he had, it would be because Doakes would have exposed him. Neither Lumen nor Trinity's son would have done that. They were no danger to him. Perhaps more important, neither were "bad guys", both were victims, so Harry's Code would not let him kill them.

Recall Dexter is not a sadist. He doesn't kill for fun, and Harry's Code discourages him from killing for personal reasons, or people who are close to him.

But Lumen was a good idea. She was the first and only person to understand who he was and accept him for it. What he had with her was more real, more valuable to him, than what he had with Rita.

Dexter isn't a normal serial killer. His compulsion to kill is like a form of OCD. It comes with rituals; if the kill isn't carried out according to his Dark Passenger's needs, it doesn't bring him relief. In Travis' case, the ritual required the church.

He was willing to kill Doakes but Lila blew up the hut first. That was what the whole episode was focused on, Dexter struggling to justify killing Doakes to keep his own situation stable.

Lumen was a victim, sure. Trinity's son killed his own mother. Dexter should have killed him but felt guilty he'd helped make him a monster. However he still killed Miguel in season 3 after he made him a monster as well. So it doesn't make sense he let Trinity's son off the hook.

[RebelScum]

Originally Posted by OnDatKryptonite

Lumen was a victim, sure. Trinity's son killed his own mother. Dexter should have killed him but felt guilty he'd helped make him a monster. However he still killed Miguel in season 3 after he made him a monster as well. So it doesn't make sense he let Trinity's son off the hook.

Trinity's son wasn't really a monster though - not in the sense that he kills for pleasure, over and over. He killed his mother in a fit of rage after his sister was driven to suicide by their mother. That is of course terrible, but it doesn't make him a monster in the Dexterverse.

[JasonWatkins]

Originally Posted by MrSuper

Confirmed: Season 8 will be the last

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s64...show-exec.html

Good decision I think. Maybe it could have gone out on a high after Trinity, but I've personally enjoyed the subsequent seasons.

[brangdon]

Originally Posted by NinjyBear

There's no logical reason for it.

Dexter's rituals aren't logical.

Originally Posted by OnDatKryptonite

He was willing to kill Doakes but Lila blew up the hut first. That was what the whole episode was focused on, Dexter struggling to justify killing Doakes to keep his own situation stable.

He had chances to do it himself but he didn't. The point was his inner conflict, and we have no way of knowing whether he'd have done it if Lila hadn't intervened.

Trinity's son killed his own mother. Dexter should have killed him but felt guilty he'd helped make him a monster.

Dexter wasn't responsible for what Trinity's son became. He let him go when it became clear he wasn't a monster.

However he still killed Miguel in season 3 after he made him a monster as well.

Miguel was always a monster. He was never as naive as he pretended to Dexter. There was a huge difference between Miguel and Trinity's son. Killing Miguel prevented further death's; Trinity's son was racked with remorse to the point of being suicidal, and was unlikely to kill again.

[NinjyBear]

Originally Posted by brangdon

Dexter's rituals aren't logical.

The code is logical. Dexter has always described himself as a neat monster. He was stupid and sloppy all season and killing Travis in the church at the end was nothing to do with the requirement of his dark passenger, it was just some very bad writing. In past seasons he would have found somewhere else to do it, or at the very least he would have done it in the church basement where Geller's body was hidden, out of sight if anyone walked in.

[fondantfancy]

Originally Posted by NinjyBear

The code is logical. Dexter has always described himself as a neat monster. He was stupid and sloppy all season and killing Travis in the church at the end was nothing to do with the requirement of his dark passenger, it was just some very bad writing. In past seasons he would have found somewhere else to do it, or at the very least he would have done it in the church basement where Geller's body was hidden, out of sight if anyone walked in.

In Season 1 Dexter killed Brian in his freezer room - which was an active crime scene at the time.

Totally unbelieveable and reckless - Dexter has always been like this.

[NinjyBear]

Debra told Dexter to be at the church after work. From what I can remember of the season 1 finale they didn't go to Brian's home until the morning after he tried to kill Deb. Still not smart, but nowhere near as big a risk as the season 6 finale.


It's been a long time since I've seen season 1, so I could be wrong about that.

[fondantfancy]

Deb was missing. The freezer unit was found and they all looked around for clues - Dexter found the Barbie type doll (Barbie wouldn't let the producers use an actual Barbie) and the Born Free music which eventually led him to his childhood home. He then rescued Deb. Then Dexter killed Brian - in the freezer room that was an active crime scene because he was on the run. Dexter somehow carried a drugged Brian past a police guard and waited calmly for him to waken before slitting his throat. All beyond believability - Michael C Hall himself has said that the viewer has to suspend belief, that Dexter seems to have the power of invisibility (and moves really quick too).

How's about the time he got 'Little' Chino into the boot of a car - absolutely impossible, no matter how fit Dexter is.

I agree that Season 6 was a disappointment generally - I think that is why some of the plot holes annoy - earlier seasons contain just as many holes IMO - but we don't care because the stories were so good.

[NinjyBear]

Originally Posted by fondantfancy

I agree that Season 6 was a disappointment generally - I think that is why some of the plot holes annoy - earlier seasons contain just as many holes IMO - but we don't care because the stories were so good.

Yeh, that's probably it. The plot holes have always annoyed me, but when the show was at it's best it was easier to look past them. Except Little Chino - that one was impossible to overlook.

[brangdon]

Originally Posted by NinjyBear

The code is logical.

Dexter didn't invent the code. Harry did, to keep Dexter alive. Now Dexter follows the code not because he wants to, but because it is imprinted on him. The code is part of the ritual that satisfies his OCD. None of this is really rational, and if the code contradicts common logic it tends to throw Dexter into a tissy that he can't always deal with.

Dexter has always described himself as a neat monster.

Again, that's part of his OCD. To him, the church was the neatest place to kill Travis. Part of the ritual involves confronting his victim with photos and other paraphernalia of his victim's victims. He wants them to understand why they were chosen. It helps give him closure, and if he has that, he doesn't have to kill again for a while. If you look at it from this point of view, then the church was the perfect place.

it was just some very bad writing.

There was some bad writing in that episode (eg, Dexter being able to destroy his face in the wall-painting), but killing Travis in the church was entirely in accord with how Dexter is.

[MrSuper]

New S7 teaser. Blink and you'll miss it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=aq8PI_rw7u0

[AJ3]

The first six, seven episodes were ok, but the rest belonged on disney channel. Absolute rubbish, theyre lucky they did the last scene as they did otherwise I would not be watching season 7, its a kids show now, full of errors. How did dexter get his kid and travis down from the top of that building without getting noticed? So many unrealistic things that happened in this series, makes you wonder who is writing the show, probably a few 5 yr olds

[MrSuper]

Another S7 teaser. Anything involving a bed, Dexter and Debra should be kept away from our screens as far as possible!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=0ApduoVXUr0

[Abriel]

Originally Posted by MrSuper

It's not right for the show and will put a lot of people off i feel. I'm still clueless with that intern guy whose name i can't ever remember and what he's upto and why he sent Dexter the ITK's arm. Don't know why they brought him into the show but they haven't explained him very well at all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AaK1...eature=related

What are people's thoughts on this? Im msut admit I only watche dthe finale last night and couldn't for the life of me remember how that arm got there

Aslo, if we're talking unreality, as if travis could have been in the Dexter's aprtment witht he babysitter there!

Really rather disappointing overall