[Satellite John]

Does anybody have any info on when YouView is going to release a Freesat box?

[joshua_welby]

Originally Posted by Satellite John

Does anybody have any info on when YouView is going to release a Freesat box?

I doubt it, at the moment is only available on the Freeview platform

[REPASSAC]

Originally Posted by joshua_welby

I doubt it, at the moment is only available on the Freeview platform

I don't understand the "I doubt it" - it is planned.

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Satellite John

Does anybody have any info on when YouView is going to release a Freesat box?

I don't think YouView 'release' any boxes of any kind, it's basically a 'specification' for boxes to meet the standard, and be allowed to use the YouView label.

Certainly the plans are for YouView compatible Freesat boxes, but Humax at least have stated that work won't even start on their Freesat version until the Freeview is completely finished, in production, and reasonably de-bugged.

Personally I wouldn't expect them until at least next year, and possibly not until 2014.

[freeviewfsn6b]

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

.....I don't think YouView 'release' any boxes of any kind, it's basically a 'specification' for boxes to meet the standard, and be allowed to use the YouView label.......

Hopefully a specification that's controlled more than what has been done for Freesat's 'specificaton' that allowed manufacturers to 'opt' out on certain parts - (i.e. ITV Player, ....)

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by freeviewfsn6b

Hopefully a specification that's controlled more than what has been done for Freesat's 'specificaton' that allowed manufacturers to 'opt' out on certain parts - (i.e. ITV Player, ....)

As ITV Player didn't exist when Freesat launched, and didn't appear until years afterwards, it seems quite reasonable that boxes/sets weren't upgraded to add it.

It's all ITV's fault, not the Freesat manufacturers.

[freeviewfsn6b]

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

As ITV Player didn't exist when Freesat launched, and didn't appear until years afterwards, it seems quite reasonable that boxes/sets weren't upgraded to add it.

It's all ITV's fault, not the Freesat manufacturers.

yes... true for 2009 & earlier boxes/TVs but for boxes/TV manufactured in 2010 onwards (after Freesat annouced in 2009 that ITV Player would be available in Autum 2010), then its the fault of Manufactures/Freesat (and possibly ITV).

and even now... Freesat has annouced in it's press releases that even 4OD/Demand 5 were coming soon (even as far back as when they released that ITV Player was available), which seems to suggest that any box/TV manufactured since ITV Player became available SHOULD be capable of receiving 4OD/Demand 5 if/and when Freesat launches it.

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by freeviewfsn6b

yes... true for 2009 & earlier boxes/TVs but for boxes/TV manufactured in 2010 onwards (after Freesat annouced in 2009 that ITV Player would be available in Autum 2010), then its the fault of Manufactures/Freesat (and possibly ITV).

When did ITV Player actually launch? - boxes/sets couldn't really be even designed until after that - unless ITV provided full details and suitable test sources?.

Assuming ITV Player actually launched in Autumn 2010?, then pretty obviously no 2010 designed boxes could support it. But as there haven't been any second generation boxes yet (whilst awaitng the long delayed launch of YouView), all boxes effectively predate ITV Player anyway.

[Johnste]

Satbuyer are advertising 2 Manhattan G2 Spec Freesat boxes "DUE SOON"

[freeviewfsn6b]

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

When did ITV Player actually launch? - boxes/sets couldn't really be even designed until after that - unless ITV provided full details and suitable test sources?.

Assuming ITV Player actually launched in Autumn 2010?, then pretty obviously no 2010 designed boxes could support it. But as there haven't been any second generation boxes yet (whilst awaitng the long delayed launch of YouView), all boxes effectively predate ITV Player anyway.

July 2011 was the launch of ITV player via 903 (only for Humax) - but many may have/have purchased boxes/TVs based on the advertisement of Freesat stating that it would be available in 2010 !

Even after its 'final' testing in July 2011 - Freesat mentioned on Channel 999 that it was "coming soon for other devices" - only for them to change the info in Dec 2011 to
"coming soon to some other devices"

http://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/itv-pla...nch-on-freesat
http://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/itv-pla...-autumn-launch
http://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/itv-pla...-code-released

So lets hope that Youview has a tighter controll on its way manufacturers are using its 'specifucation' and badging.

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Johnste

Satbuyer are advertising 2 Manhattan G2 Spec Freesat boxes "DUE SOON"

Be interesting to see how soon 'DUE SOON' is

Also be interesting to see if they support YouView, or are essentially outdated before release. It would seem a bizarre choice to release a G2 box so long after G2 was released, and after the release of VouView - however, I suppose it could just be that production of the original Manhattan boxes has long since ceased, and they need boxes to sell?.

Looks like that could be the case, I've checked the Eurosat website (who design/import Manhattan), and all the current Freesat boxes are listed as discontinued.

At least as Eurosat agents we should be informed when the new ones get released - we were told they were bringing out a G2 model, but that was a LONG. LONG time ago - we presumed it had been cancelled whilst YouView got their act together.

[Badvok]

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

... Humax at least have stated that work won't even start on their Freesat version until the Freeview is completely finished, in production, and reasonably de-bugged.

ROFL, sounds like they'll be using the early adopters as alpha testers again.

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by ian-d

G2 is still planned, though hugely delayed. No plans for Freesat to incorporate YouView at this stage, as essentially Freesat's own G2 does very similar. Whether that will change if Freesat cannot launch G2 soon and YouView does well, who knows!

It would seem pretty silly to have two separate and non-compatible IPTV systems?, the point of Youview was to give one single across set-top boxes and TV's (to get rid of fiascos like ITV Player).

No issue with Manhattan supply, all their Freesat branded receivers still available; none discontinued, though the SD box is expected to conclude at some point this year, though personally think that is a mistake.

The Manhattan website (from a link at Eurosat) lists them all as discontinued? - presumably if so, it's just existing stock that's being supplied?.

[ian-d]

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

The Manhattan website (from a link at Eurosat) lists them all as discontinued? - presumably if so, it's just existing stock that's being supplied?.

Where, I can see the generic receivers as discontinued, but not Freesat? http://www.manhattan-receivers.com/i...plaza_freesat/

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by ian-d

Where, I can see the generic receivers as discontinued, but not Freesat? http://www.manhattan-receivers.com/i...plaza_freesat/

Well damn!

I most have clicked on the wrong button - I (thought I had) clicked on the top Freesat one first, which said discontinued, I then continued to the two below (non-Freesat) which also said discontinued.

Perhaps the screen scrolled up (as graphics were loading) as I did the first click, so I hit the wrong link (as often happens on Digitalspy as well).

I've just been back and done it again (not using your link, but as I did before), and as you say the Freesat ones aren't discontinued.

[ian-d]

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Well damn!

I most have clicked on the wrong button - I (thought I had) clicked on the top Freesat one first, which said discontinued, I then continued to the two below (non-Freesat) which also said discontinued.

Perhaps the screen scrolled up (as graphics were loading) as I did the first click, so I hit the wrong link (as often happens on Digitalspy as well).

I've just been back and done it again (not using your link, but as I did before), and as you say the Freesat ones aren't discontinued.

At least we sorted that one; just a shame that my original post on this thread (which you've quoted) has been deleted by DS for 'invasion of privacy' wtf!!!! (the reason why I don't participate on DS much)

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by ian-d

At least we sorted that one; just a shame that my original post on this thread (which you've quoted) has been deleted by DS for 'invasion of privacy' wtf!!!! (the reason why I don't participate on DS much)

The moderation here is completely bizarre.

[jcjeffe]

It looks as if You View has taken too long to sort out so the set makers are pushing HbbTV instead. According to the story in the link below HbbTV will be part of the next version of Freesat

http://www.reghardware.com/2012/07/0...rial_to_brits/

[d'@ve]

Originally Posted by jcjeffe

It looks as if You View has taken too long to sort out so the set makers are pushing HbbTV instead. According to the story in the link below HbbTV will be part of the next version of Freesat

http://www.reghardware.com/2012/07/0...rial_to_brits/

Well Sky have a successful UK-only PVR so I see no reason why Youview shouldn't have, too. Much as I like (and have) Freesat, Freeview is always going to be the dominant UK free digital TV product so whatever Freesat do is unlikely to affect the success or otherwise of Youview, IMO. And... TVs are not (yet!) PVRs so it's not likely to affect the hopeful albeit belated introduction of Freesat Youview.

[soulboy77]

Someone explain to me. Youview references the DTG D-Book 7 which is the techincal specification for UK digital terrestrial television and HbbTV has been incorporated into part B of D-Book 7 for connected TV. So why isn't Youview compliant with HbbTV?

[DariaM]

Originally Posted by Satellite John

Does anybody have any info on when YouView is going to release a Freesat box?

I doubt whether any company under the aegis of Mr Alan Sugar, who left school with only a few mediocre O Levels before attaining the pinacle of his working life... as a pleb of a Barrow Boy....will survive that long.

[Muzer]

Originally Posted by soulboy77

Someone explain to me. Youview references the DTG D-Book 7 which is the techincal specification for UK digital terrestrial television and HbbTV has been incorporated into part B of D-Book 7 for connected TV. So why isn't Youview compliant with HbbTV?

I don't know the answer because I don't know the nature of the D-Book specs (never read them!), but I would guess presumably because YouView implements *parts* of D-Book 7 and HbbTV is defined in other parts. It's sort of the same as when you buy a car, you can choose which options you have - you wouldn't expect a car with an FM radio to be able to pick up DAB even if DAB was one of the parts of the (optional) spec of the car, it's because you haven't chosen that part.

[2Bdecided]

Originally Posted by soulboy77

Someone explain to me. Youview references the DTG D-Book 7 which is the techincal specification for UK digital terrestrial television and HbbTV has been incorporated into part B of D-Book 7 for connected TV. So why isn't Youview compliant with HbbTV?

1.2 Relationship to DTG D-Book 7
This document makes use of many existing and emerging standards and widely references the DTG
D-Book 7 which is the detailed interoperability specification for digital terrestrial television with
extended Connected TV functionality.
D-Book 7 is divided into two parts:
 Part A, the UK broadcast specification
 Part B, the architecture and protocols which may be used for interoperable IP delivered
services in the UK
This YouView specification currently references D-Book Part A v1, which has been finalised by the
DTG. It doesn‟t currently reference Part B which at the time of writing has been published as a beta
v0.9.
After the launch of YouView and once D-Book 7 Part B has been published in a non-beta form,
YouView will simplify this specification by referencing relevant parts of D-Book 7 Part B, whilst
maintaining the functionality currently defined here.

(YouView Core Technical Specification
© YouView TV Ltd (2011) Page 12 of 229)

https://industry.youview.com/resourc...cation_1.0.pdf
https://industry.youview.com/pages/resources/

That's the April 2011 document that's on the YouView website as of today. No references to D-Book 7 part B, and a statement that they'll eventually reference "relevant" parts.

Cheers,
David.

[soulboy77]

Originally Posted by 2Bdecided

https://industry.youview.com/resourc...cation_1.0.pdf
https://industry.youview.com/pages/resources/

That's the April 2011 document that's on the YouView website as of today. No references to D-Book 7 part B, and a statement that they'll eventually reference "relevant" parts.

Cheers,
David.

Thanks, that does explain things. If the majority of box manufacturers do push HbbTV as the European standard for 'connected TV' then I guess that the second generation of Youview boxes are most likely to be HbbTV compliant as well. The question is where this will leave early adopters of Youview?

[gomezz]

With just the four main broadcaster's offerings it started with at a guess.