[ariusuk]

Originally Posted by howabout90

I think they will keep Murray on BBC1, with the News at Six being shown on BBC2 and Regional News being moved to 8:30pm on BBC1.

I doubt that. They wouldn't be able to justify paying all the people needed to produce all those regional news programmes two and a half hours of overtime.

[Digifriendly]

Originally Posted by CLL Dodge

Why don't they make him play on court 2? He's not a former champion.

TV coverage, like scheduling, is dictated by public demand.

Murray is the star of prime-time.

Court 2 does not host semi-finals. They've always been on Centre Court except in days before the roof was built and due to bad weather and rescheduling one of the semi-finals was moved to Court 1 but never do I remember a semi-final on Court 2. You're absolutely right about TV coverage and attraction of Murray in prime time. BBC are after massive viewing figures. Bit of a problem if he gets to the final though as it clashes with F1 on BBC2. Think this may be a reason they're thinking of putting Wimbledon back a week from 2014.

[Ginger Daddy]

Originally Posted by Digifriendly

Think this may be a reason they're thinking of putting Wimbledon back a week from 2014.

That has nothing to do with it, its to increase the time between two Grand Slam events and space the season out a more. The BBC has no say in these matters.

[bluesdiamond]

Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy

That has nothing to do with it, its to increase the time between two Grand Slam events and space the season out a more. The BBC has no say in these matters.

Hopefully will help events like Queens, though suspect it will still play same week as Halle.

[DragonQ]

Hmmm I am listening in stereo (downmixed from the 5.1 feed) and Boris Becker's voice is very phasey. No-one else's voice is dodgy. :/

[howabout90]

Originally Posted by ariusuk

I doubt that. They wouldn't be able to justify paying all the people needed to produce all those regional news programmes two and a half hours of overtime.

Well it's what happened last year. Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland all had regional news at 6:30pm on BBC2. But England didn't have regional news until 8:30pm on BBC1. The rest of the UK got a different programme while this was on in England (A Question of Sport, I believe)

[Ginger Daddy]

Originally Posted by howabout90

Well it's what happened last year. Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland all had regional news at 6:30pm on BBC2. But England didn't have regional news until 8:30pm on BBC1. The rest of the UK got a different programme while this was on in England (A Question of Sport, I believe)

It may have been pre-recorded from 6.30pm.

[mossy2103]

Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy

Behave, the host broadcaster will have a say in it, it is ridiculous to think otherwise.

But are you sure of that in this case, especially as this is not a multi--multi-million pound Premiership Football contract with Sky. Again, where is the evidence (rather than speculation or hearsay)?

[Ginger Daddy]

Originally Posted by mossy2103

But are you sure of that in this case, especially as this is not a multi--multi-million pound Premiership Football contract with Sky. Again, where is the evidence (rather than speculation or hearsay)?

Have you got your tin foil hat on? I have no anti-BBC agenda here, it makes perfect sense for them to have a say in scheduling of show courts, Im sure that the other three Slams have broadcaster input.

[Darren Lethem]

Originally Posted by PhilH36

The issue of the regional news would not be a problem if Murray was first on court for a change....I think this is his fourth semi-final? Was he first on court for any of the other three? Talk about chasing ratings,the BBC seem to have way too much influence over the schedule in that they nearly always get Murray matches running into primetime. Why don't the organisers put him on first for once?

Originally Posted by mossy2103

Do you have proof that the BBC have influenced the Wimbledon authorities with regard to their scheduled order of play? Any chance that it's the All England Tennis Club that has decided that Order of Play, and that it is they who have decided that Murray's matches go on court at that time (for a variety of reasons)?

Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy

Behave, the host broadcaster will have a say in it, it is ridiculous to think otherwise.

Murray played his match second because he is in the bottom half of the draw. You don't need to have any TV hidden agenda you can simply work it out by looking at the draw. The first two quarters on Weds were from top half, the second two the bottom half. Same with the semi finals today and same with the women yesterday. They play in draw order.

[Ginger Daddy]

Originally Posted by Darren Lethem

Murray played his match second because he is in the bottom half of the draw. You don't need to have any TV hidden agenda you can simply work it out by looking at the draw. The first two quarters on Weds were from top half, the second two the bottom half. Same with the semi finals today and same with the women yesterday. They play in draw order.

Really? In 2011 Nadal was seeded 1st (top of the draw) and played Murray in the semis.

And guess what? He was second on court:

Here's how the day plays out. Andy Murray versus Rafael Nadal is second up on Centre Court. Before that, at 1pm, we have the small matter of second-seed Novak Djokovic up against the big-hitting Jo-Wilfried Tsonga.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011...wimbledon-live

So your post is incorrect.

The QFs were only played in that way this year because only the top half Last 16 matches (bar one) got played on the rain affected Monday, thus giving the bottom half longer recovery time (a few hours, but every little helps).

Broadcasters will always have some kind of say in scheduling of any sport, matters not how much the contract was for. Is this a problem? Not at all.

[mossy2103]

Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy

Have you got your tin foil hat on? I have no anti-BBC agenda here, it makes perfect sense for them to have a say in scheduling of show courts, Im sure that the other three Slams have broadcaster input.

Maybe, BUT I was asking for something more concrete than just assumptions. Seems that such concrete evidence does not exist.

I wonder why Murray doesn't always play on Centre Court then, where rain interruptions and bad light are a thing of the past (and where life would be so much easier for the BBC if that had that degree of input)?

[mossy2103]

Originally Posted by Darren Lethem

Murray played his match second because he is in the bottom half of the draw. You don't need to have any TV hidden agenda you can simply work it out by looking at the draw. The first two quarters on Weds were from top half, the second two the bottom half. Same with the semi finals today and same with the women yesterday. They play in draw order.

Thank you, a logical explanation (even if a later post shows that it is not correct).

[Ginger Daddy]

Originally Posted by mossy2103

Thank you, a logical explanation.

But an incorrect one, see post #536.

(although you have edited to acknowledge this )

[mossy2103]

Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy

But an incorrect one, see post #536.

(although you have edited to acknowledge this )

Yes

I can't keep up with the frequency of these posts ..... must be my failing faculties.

[Darren Lethem]

Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy

Really? In 2011 Nadal was seeded 1st (top of the draw) and played Murray in the semis.

And guess what? He was second on court:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011...wimbledon-live

So your post is incorrect.

The QFs were only played in that way this year because only the top half Last 16 matches (bar one) got played on the rain affected Monday, thus giving the bottom half longer recovery time (a few hours, but every little helps).

Broadcasters will always have some kind of say in scheduling of any sport, matters not how much the contract was for. Is this a problem? Not at all.

That was last year - not this.

[Ginger Daddy]

Originally Posted by Darren Lethem

That was last year - not this.

So you are taking one year in isolation and assuming that to be the normal pattern of how it works. The weather led to the mens QF schedule being the way it was, that was blatantly obvious given all four bottom half matches didnt finish until Tuesday.

Murray has always been second SF on Centre every year he has made it this far, regardless of his position in the draw, the probable reason being the broadcaster. And I dont blame them.

Why was the Serena Williams QF played first on Centre on Tuesday then (after the mens match), given she is in the bottom half? Your argument holds no water.

[hendero]

Murray always gets the second semi final because he likes to stay up late watching tv and only rolls out of bed around lunchtime.

[bluestraw]

Originally Posted by Darren Lethem

Murray played his match second because he is in the bottom half of the draw. You don't need to have any TV hidden agenda you can simply work it out by looking at the draw. The first two quarters on Weds were from top half, the second two the bottom half. Same with the semi finals today and same with the women yesterday. They play in draw order.

Hehehe pure coincidence. The draw is entirely decided by the committee, with input from ALL major broadcasters. Naturally BBC will have the loudest voice, but in the past have been ignored in favour of 'perceived fairness' among other things. Today the marquee match for the UK public is the second one, so was a given it would be second on.

[Ginger Daddy]

Originally Posted by bluestraw

Hehehe pure coincidence. The draw is entirely decided by the committee, with input from ALL major broadcasters. Naturally BBC will have the loudest voice, but in the past have been ignored in favour of 'perceived fairness' among other things. Today the marquee match for the UK public is the second one, so was a given it would be second on.

I have already explained why the matches were played as they were, you have to understand Darren doesnt like me so he will be trying to get one over on me. He will be back

[BKM]

Originally Posted by mossy2103

I wonder why Murray doesn't always play on Centre Court then, where rain interruptions and bad light are a thing of the past (and where life would be so much easier for the BBC if that had that degree of input)?

Because Wimbledon has made a LOT of money from selling Court 1 Debenture tickets and Corporate Hospitality. Who would pay as much for these in future if they never got to see the top players?

They have settled on a formula that means each of the top male players plays on Court 1 at least once.

[mossy2103]

Ah, OK, that makes sense.

[LOSG]

Originally Posted by mossy2103

But are you sure of that in this case, especially as this is not a multi--multi-million pound Premiership Football contract with Sky. Again, where is the evidence (rather than speculation or hearsay)?

Yes it is very much the case that the host broadcaster gets a HUGE say in the order of play on the show courts. This isn't just specific to Wimbledon, in recent years both Melanie Oudin and Jelena Dokic for example have had matches in night sessions (at the US and Australian opens) which have been due to favourable TV.

If Wimbledon were to introduce night sessions, you can be your last dollar Murray would be involved in the majority of them.

[mossy2103]

It does make sense that the matches that most casual viewers would be interested in would be the ones where the number one British player is involved (and has a more than reasonable chance of progressing), and that such a match is played at a time when most of those potential viewers are at home (which, for most people, would not be 12 midday or 2pm).

[sigmundv]

The news have moved to BBC Two, as someone predicted above.