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Old 27-06-2012, 14:17   #576
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Also who uses UHF dtt 21? I was getting signals on that but not so strong as to pull in the mux.
Lille (|France) uses this for R1 (TF1, Arte etc) and regularly comes in at Ramsgate under lift conditions.

Co-channeling Neufchatel can kill new HD chanell 29 from Boulogne.
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Old 27-06-2012, 18:52   #577
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Thanks for the info. That morning I got Belgium on channel 40 but I've got a feeling it may have been a English transmission or at best Dutch on ch 21. I've never received French speaking Belgium tv let alone French. Do you get French tv in flat conditions or only during tropos ? Has it ever wiped out local mux's ?
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Old 28-06-2012, 18:37   #578
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Today on the West Wales coast about 20ft above sea level the whole of the VHF spectrum between 87.5 and 108mhz was obliterated by Spanish stations ---- even blanking out the very strong 89.3 mhz Radio 2 signal.
These signals were hugging the sea as they faded the higher I got after leaving the car park.
This was between 1.30 and 2pm.
Shame I was not at home .
Any TV reports ---- I expected to see this thread alive ........?
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Old 28-06-2012, 18:41   #579
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Today on the West Wales coast about 20ft above sea level the whole of the VHF spectrum between 87.5 and 108mhz was obliterated by Spanish stations ---- even blanking out the very strong 89.3 mhz Radio 2 signal.
These signals were hugging the sea as they faded the higher I got after leaving the car park.
This was between 1.30 and 2pm.
Shame I was not at home .
Any TV reports ---- I expected to see this thread alive ........?
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I've been monitoring Band I TV all day (apart from 2 hours this PM, due to lightning). The band has only opened up at around 18:00BST. Belarus is now being received (18:40BST), here in Lincoln.

If Spain or Portugal had still been transmitting on Band I, the band would have been full of those stations. Sadly, they're no longer in service .

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Old 28-06-2012, 20:36   #580
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I don't know how far up the spectrum this went ---- sadly I could only monitor on an LDV van radio !!
Not the nicest of radio receivers --- it even has a cassette player ......
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Old 28-06-2012, 21:40   #581
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Do you get French tv in flat conditions or only during tropos ? Has it ever wiped out local mux's ?
Yes, the signals from Boulogne are strong except for the muxes on 23 and 26 which are wiped out by the Ramsgate relay. However, all Boulogne muxes would be easily receivable if Ramsgate were switched off.

As regards whether any French transmitters can wipe out Dover, there is potentially a problem for ch 48 (used by Neufchatel as well as Dover). Otherwise there does not appear to be co-channelling with the post DSO Dover frequencies from any NE France transmitters.

This morning there was a notable reduction in signal quality from Dover on channel 48 using my roof aerial which points at Boulogne (the bearings from Ramsgate are: Boulogne 167 degrees Neufchatel 182 degrees Dover 207 degrees).

Before DSO, there was regular interference, depending on the weather, from Dunkerque (channels 39, 42, 45).
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Old 28-06-2012, 22:40   #582
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Thanks for the info. Hopefully you should be able to pull in Belgium as well during a tropo from your location. In Norfolk we used to get co channeling from the Netherlands , of course an enhancement was needed for this to happen.
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Old 29-06-2012, 14:13   #583
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More Sporadic E this morning with Iceland from both its E4 transmitters seen at good strength. Opening lasted for nearly an hour.
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Old 29-06-2012, 15:01   #584
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More Sporadic E this morning with Iceland from both its E4 transmitters seen at good strength. Opening lasted for nearly an hour.
Having been to Iceland on holiday, I would SO love to receive either TV or radio from there, but so far it has it just has not happened here (near Lincoln). I have no obvious obstructions in the direction of Iceland, but whenever there is a report of reception, try as I might, I just don't receive it !

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Old 29-06-2012, 18:56   #585
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R1 showing the news. No idea which country, reception as usual is weak.
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Old 01-07-2012, 18:50   #586
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R1 showing a film. Yet again too weak to ID the country.
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Old 03-07-2012, 18:33   #587
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I'm interested in having a go at some DVB-T DXing, as i've not done it before, but i'm wondering what equipment I'd need to receive foreign signals.

I've got a outdoors UHF aerial for my downstairs television (currently situated in the loft) and a small indoor aerial for my bedroom television. I live in Sheffield, but will be going to Suffolk in the summer, where I assume it will be easier to pick up European channels.

Any advice? Thanks
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Old 04-07-2012, 11:03   #588
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Use http://www.tvradio-nord.com/divers/calcul_distance.html to work out the distance and bearing of the continental transmitter.

You enter your latitude and longitude in Suffolk and then either use the program to capture the coordinates of a particular transmitter or enter them directly. There are look-up programs on the net you can find with Google for determining latitude and longitude.

You will need to know the UK channels that can be received in your location in Suffolk (main and relay) since there is no point looking where there is co-channeling.

Under the right conditions expect high power transmitters on the continent up to 100 miles distant to be receivable.

Conditions may sometimes only last for a few hours. For example Dunkerque R4 mux was viewable in Ramsgate at 6.30 this morning but had disappeared a few hours later.
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Old 04-07-2012, 11:45   #589
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I'm interested in having a go at some DVB-T DXing, as i've not done it before, but i'm wondering what equipment I'd need to receive foreign signals.

I've got a outdoors UHF aerial for my downstairs television (currently situated in the loft) and a small indoor aerial for my bedroom television. I live in Sheffield, but will be going to Suffolk in the summer, where I assume it will be easier to pick up European channels.

Any advice? Thanks
I would imagine that DX reception from The Netherlands and Belgium is considerably easier in Suffolk than it is here in Lincoln.

Since DSO in The Netherlands and Belgium, most transmitters are now using vertical polarization.
See my vertically polarized UHF aerial -> http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/...6/100_3113.jpg
Try UHF channel 39. This is usually the first channel I receive during a "lift" from The Netherlands. Should be a clear channel in Suffolk (until Sudbury starts using it in 2013).
Here's what I received on UHF channel 39, earlier this year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct8fTaWhUrQ It was back in March (when we had our summer )

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Thank you both! Hope it'll be the right conditions when i'm in Suffolk then, i'm not very optimistic about achieving any results in Sheffield.
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Old 04-07-2012, 20:19   #591
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Don't assume you won't receive anything. I live high up near the Sheffield TX and even though the UHF band is choc full of signals from loads of UK transmitters, I have received signals from Germany and Holland, as well as more distant UK ones.
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Old 04-07-2012, 20:51   #592
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I would imagine that DX reception from The Netherlands and Belgium is considerably easier in Suffolk than it is here in Lincoln.

Since DSO in The Netherlands and Belgium, most transmitters are now using vertical polarization.
See my vertically polarized UHF aerial -> http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/...6/100_3113.jpg
Try UHF channel 39. This is usually the first channel I receive during a "lift" from The Netherlands. Should be a clear channel in Suffolk (until Sudbury starts using it in 2013).
Here's what I received on UHF channel 39, earlier this year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct8fTaWhUrQ It was back in March (when we had our summer )

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It's Tacolneston which will be using UHF 39 from next year, not Sudbury - which might not be such good news for you!!
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It's Tacolneston which will be using UHF 39 from next year, not Sudbury - which might not be such good news for you!!
Of course, silly me ! Yes, Tacolneston on UHF 39 will be a nuisance for me. Mind you, sometimes the DX signal, even from the same direction, gets enhanced, rather than the more local one. And there is the opposite polarization to help, as well.

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Old 06-07-2012, 08:22   #594
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For those with an interest in the French transmitters, I have attempted to research and summarise the recent channel changes which have taken place on the higher powered transmitters in N. France. All are horizontal. Other changes took place on a number of relays, but I have not attempted to research them.

I cannot guarantee the accuracy or completeness of this, but the numbers quoted have been gleaned using this page on the CSA site with post codes local to each site and based upon this list.

Dept 2 Hirson / Landouzy
R5 added on 35

Dept 14 Caen / Mt Pincon
R5 was 23 now 45

Dept 35 Rennes / St Pern (Becherel)
R5 was 37 now 55

Dept 50 Cherbourg / Digosville
R5 was 57 now 60
R6 was 32 now 36

Dept 76 Le Havre / Harfleur
R2 was 42 now 44
R4 was 48 now 32
R5 was 54 now 41

Dept 76 Neufchatel en Bray / Croixdalle
R1 was 54 now 56
R2 was 29 now 48
R3 was 27 now 54
R5 was 58 now 29
R6 was 37 now 39

Dept 76 Rouen / Grand Couronne
R5 was 37 now 23

Dept 80 Abbeville / Limeux, La Motte
R5 was 37 now 58

Dept 62 Boulogne - Mont Lambert
R2 was 29 now 23
R3 was 51 now 54
R4 was 41 now 26
R5 was 44 now 29

Dept 61 Alencon - Mont D'Amain
The CSA site has an error on this one
R5 is shown as changing from 37 to 45
but R6 is shown as also on 45 and unchanged
This cannot be correct.
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Old 06-07-2012, 14:58   #595
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Thanks for the info Albert it's good of you to take the trouble to post this info.

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Old 06-07-2012, 15:26   #596
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And the site works for UK addresses too, although only it's only predicting reception in the Kent Coastal towns.
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Old 14-07-2012, 12:13   #597
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R1, R2 and E2 all showing weak pictures. Finnish radio is also in.
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Old 22-07-2012, 18:41   #598
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Hi guys

Dutch TV steaming in here on the east coast of Lincs on CH39 (NED 1,2,3 etc.) - very strong signal.

The other frequencies aren't doing much at the moment, but power from West Runton (in between my location and Holland) also coming in strongly.

Hopefully this is the start of some decent DX.
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Old 22-07-2012, 19:13   #599
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Hi guys

Dutch TV steaming in here on the east coast of Lincs on CH39 (NED 1,2,3 etc.) - very strong signal.

The other frequencies aren't doing much at the moment, but power from West Runton (in between my location and Holland) also coming in strongly.

Hopefully this is the start of some decent DX.
Great news. I'll keep a look out on ch 39. Incidently how often does German and Danish dtt come in on the Lincolnshire coast.
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Great news. I'll keep a look out on ch 39. Incidently how often does German and Danish dtt come in on the Lincolnshire coast.
From time to time I get German, and Belgian but my proximity to Holland makes Dutch DTT much more likely. As for Danish DTT, I haven't had that, but I have received Danish Analogue here before, so I am always hopeful.
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